JanuarySwan

Oh, where am I getting my information about BLM and the protests. Internet news; talking to real life people - family, friends, neighbors. But, again, this is for support of BLM in SL and how we might show that support. I draw most of the time in real life so I listen to music. I only may like TV for a few sports I like especially Basketball.

It's here Janet and I don't feel the necessity to call out specific names. This is a thread to speak about BLM police oppression, and, if I'm not black, I cannot know. However, it is actually a thread about BLM support in SL really though. So, it's best to get back upon that topic really as the OP has asked.

What information? The thread was moving so fast, I could not keep up with it.

Many people in this thread. This thread is for BLM police oppression. If I am white, I don't know a personal thing about it nor is it of any relevance. White oppression from The Police is not of relevance here.

I am very serious. It's been made perfectly clear in this thread a white person doesn't know what it is like to be oppressed by The Police. This is for BLM oppression.

I agree Dano and feel my voice stiffled because of it. I'm not black, so if I was oppressed or stigmatized by The Police, it's something I will have to take up personally with police brutality as another color of person. Well, that's long over but actually many American's do know that. France was having it's own kind of revolution also which is very involved. But, yes people who want to be free of certain oppressions do generally tend to fight together. This time....? I don't know what to say.

I was thinking the pre-conceived notions may have come from television in the 1950's? But, I also said, I think the study needs follow through with children who preside in multi-ethnic communities just to get an idea of how they feel but also I might choose any doll, I even had an Indian doll when I was kid. But, come to think of it, in the early 1960's, Motown burst forth into TV. People started "hanging out" with each other and people of different ethnic backgrounds were brought together because of a love of music and especially The Blues. There have been white people who have protested alongside with black people for a long, long time...it's part of our history. As far as those who'd prefer to be with "their people", well...I feel not wanted here nor can I voice about The Police due to my skin color. It's not needed. And, there I will bow out.

That's interesting, but the doll study was from the 1940's...I was guessing perhaps 1950's because of television maybe? was my main reason for placing a year. More black girls today prefer the black doll. However, I loved all kinds of dolls when I was a kid. I don't know which one I'd pick as I love all kinds of avatars here on Second Life.

I found some information on the internet. The doll study was originally done in the 1940's. I was thinking it sounded like something from the 1950's. Actually, the study found more black girls prefer the black doll, so the title is misleading. Here are the most current findings I came up with: Last week, ABC’s Good Morning America (GMA) brought back the famous doll experiments by sociologist Kenneth and Mamie Clark. Originally conducted the 1940s, the “doll experiments” studied Black school aged children’s attitudes about race by giving them identical white and Black dolls and asking which one they’d prefer to play with. Half a century ago when the original study took place, 63% of Black children studied said they’d rather play with the white doll. Good Morning America’s findings 50 years later resulted in more Black children preferring and identifying with the Black doll. Although the slight improvement is a sign of progress, ABC only looked at racism as an interpersonal issue and failed to mention the more powerful forces of instititutional and structural racism that children of color also “unconsciously absorb”. These sorts of studies make me wonder if these findings should be considered a sign of progress or interpreted as a sign of how little we’ve moved. I’m conflicted because I don’t think the doll studies are meaningful. This is shallow journalism, but I can’t help but be saddened when a young Black child has negative feelings toward a Black doll. https://www.colorlines.com/articles/fifty-years-later-black-girls-still-prefer-white-dolls

Chocolate is known via a sense of taste, that it's going to be sweet. I thought she meant children with no preconceived notions as it's not inborn in us, it is a learned behavior/thought pattern. It would also depend on the year of this study, plus it needs more multi-ethnic community follow through if it is indeed an old study.

Well, I will drop it but I was just curious where the pre-existing prejudice came from as it's a learned behavior; it's not inborn in us. If they already knew there was pre-existing prejudice, they already knew.

I can only speak for myself, Janet. We didn't hear about it or it wasn't talked about. Plus, pre-internet maybe of which the internet is also considered the information age. Our community sadly had it's highest crime rate in domestic violence and speeding tickets which is a rather hush-hush kind of thing as far as domestic violence. My significant other at the time told me that about our community. It was a peaceful community. I was just living my life like anyone else, though I'm not much of a news watcher for the last ten years or so.

Did they have do a study to see what color children preferred from just a crayon for example?

I think you are blowing things out of proportion as I already explained myself. I thought she said it was based on black dolls by children. Children do not have prejudice unless it is taught to them. I thought she meant they were choosing via the color, the color black. I don't want to explain that again.

I've only lived in multi-racial communities. Our local leaders just in our City Hall are all ethnicities. But, I do feel some of the presumed ways blacks are supposed to be is very old-fashioned and some of the presumed ways whites are supposed to be is very old-fashioned and it keeps us in a box of unreality for a lot of communities who also share jobs and are all kinds of people, neighbors, team players, etc. I know a black woman who collects beautiful carvings from Africa and loves to celebrate her roots, but my Dad also loved carvings from Africa and collected them too. I feel this thread is bringing up too many old-fashioned stereotypes that many in multi-racial communities have never seen except in documentaries from a long time ago because they don't exist in many communities any more, such as those seen in the old documentaries. We set aside times to celebrate our cultural roots here as best as possible too. I don't have too many celebrations of Polish roots though as those seem to have been lost in many ways to society as a whole and mostly Polish are known for their Polka when in fact Polish people were such amazing artists and composers, Hilter stole over half the artworks and music.

This is true. Being held back in poverty is true though it's true for all people all over the world who are in poverty. There is no white society in multi-racial communities. Why because they own a van they are acting white or what? What should they own "a truck" or what to please you? I think you are grotesque in your imagination of others and how they should "act".

No, they are just being themselves. This country and it's multi-racial communities are very diverse. It's just people being people. What the heck is acting white anyways by your definition?

Excuse me? I never said that. I said I prefer the lighter hair and skins in SL because of my eyes and that the darker skins and hairs are more difficult to see and the dark hairs have less definition in SL. As far as the black doll, I thought she meant the children were given dolls with no pre-existing prejudice and were choosing by color only.

But, many blacks have over-come those racial stereotypes. That's why I said I feel this is taking some black people into the 1950's. Look, I'm of Polish decent. Certain countries in Europe, I'd prefer not to say, think Poland is simply their's. Hilter stole over 50% of all Polish property. Do people even mention it? Should I carry a chip on my shoulder that Polish people never matter? And, as a matter of fact, Trump is moving troops out of Germany and into Poland at this time, and Germany is crying "Well, be a target of the Russians". But, I'm like...here we go again, Poland doesn't matter.

That's pre-taught behavior coming from adults not a child preferring one color over another color. When, you said "the black doll" I thought you meant the color only. Well, pre-existing prejudice is pre-existing prejudice.

I hear you but we are still mostly referred to as "The Human Race".

I just feel like you are not hearing me in regards to the fact this is The Police and it involves us all now whether some want to believe that or not...it just does. As far as the black doll being rejected, it may have something to do with our eyes. I know in Second Life, lighter skins are easier for me to see along with the lighter hairs are easier to see. The dark hairs seem to not have much definition. Lighter hair is just seen easier in Second Life. I would like to have dark hair in SL but it doesn't define well at all, not for me. I am dark haired in real life and it's my color of hair preference. Objects are objects, the artist is doing the best with what they have. Children are not prejudiced against black people unless they are taught that way and vice versa of blacks being taught to hate whites. Reserve discrimination and prejudice is real.

I did not see that post. The thread is moving too fast. It's not only moving so fast that I feel most people are not even listening to each other. The thing with this is - it's The Police. The Police govern us all. It's a pretty big deal to be taking on The Police and their ways of brutality that has affected the many not only the one. If people want to have Police reform, it involves us all and many with their own private story to tell that is no less important.

But, that's double talk. You say it's peaceful but it's not peaceful. We don't have a right in this country to do anything else. Should all those of a different colors be doing the same things such as knocking someone's block off? Personally, I don't think so. Because it's just behavior for behavior and what if you get the wrong person? We have to make a more peaceful police for all and more accountability for all but the right way. This man who murdered this man needs to be held accountable. He is going to be held accountable. But, the craziness just keeps going on in the middle of a pandemic.