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That has happened to me more times than I care to remember, Nal.
That isn't the point. The point is either that they didn't notice, or simply didn't care.
Hey, you do realise I wasn't in full knicker-twist mode? Despite scurrilous reports to the contrary, I DO have a sense of humour, albeit a twisted one!
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Firstly, thanks Maddox.
However, the post suggests there is a Main Server roll today yet GSP, he say nuttin!
Wake the oppo on the status page up, please.
Oh, and the dates are STILL wrong there!
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Oh Dearie me.
Thus sayeth the GSP:
We will be performing rolling restarts for regions on RC Magnum, LeTigre Wednesday June 25th.
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We will be performing scheduled maintenance on Wednesday, June 26th,
Now I know Wednesday is the 26th, but someone at Battery Street would appear not to. C'mon guys, this is beginning to look like you're all at sixes and sevens. Or 25s and 26s.
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Speaking purely for myself, I am happy to see the Release post at ALL!
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Indeed, Qie.
Oz and Simon are far more knowledgeable than us oldtimers but, and it's a big but, they are very few and are less "hands on" than they were.
My point was made when you mentioned the collection of data related to significant performance changes. The underfunding of such operations is what may well be the source of their discomfiture, especially regarding the apparent lure of the cloud for some.
It is a personal source of satisfaction that some are prepared to swallow their pride and give credence to the thoughts of some users.
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1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said:
Occasionally I think I sense some unease about putting customers in the position of trying to diagnose problems we also had to detect, rather than it being discovered in Linden Operations' own data collection. It's not a great look for them, although I haven't heard them say anything. It's just a vibe I get sometimes.
The problem for them is, Qie, that some of us "older" accounts here have a much longer knowledge of the foibles of SL than they do. While some of the Senior Lindens are coming up for their long service medals, many lower-echelon Lindens have not been on this duty very long and do not have any in-depth knowledge of the cobbled-together nature of the SL codebase. So occasionally they have to accept that some of us may actually know more about SL and what makes it "tick" in a particular way than them. That, as you surmise, does not sit well with them, understandably.
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It is clear from that stats panel that Fluffy cannot be an Openspace. An open space simply could not support that many scripts or that many "agents" (read avatars). It must, I assume therefore be either a Homestead or a Mainland full region and my money is on it being a Homestead. Those stats are not too dissimilar to those for my own Homestead, Woods of Heaven, though I am not running as many scripts. With 18 agents on a Homestead I'd be having difficulty running ANYTHING or even moving.
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Actually LL support have been very good until the last instance and I think it is significant that this was the first non-Linden I had spoken to for a long time. Have all the Lindens been drafted in to pedal the generators? I think we should be told!
Ouch! I'll report you for cruelty to cute furries!
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Well, it is now becoming clear that whatever happened to yesterday's RC channel roll, we are not going to be told. It may well be that there was a late -discovered security loophole, we are never told details of those. This time we are not even being told that there WAS a problem.
Coupled to the apparent discontinuation of the publishing of release plans in this forum, we are plunged into a new limbo regarding planned or unplanned changes to the Second Life system, the use of which many of us pay.
I find this unsettling and hardly something that would prompt free account users to upgrade to Premium. LL's bean counters would do well to think on that.
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Just to confirm that Wirtz sim, on LeTigre RC channel has NOT rolled today. Going to talk with LL support about this.
LL Support unusually clueless about the no-roll for LeTigre. Got a male domestic fowl and bull story about regions "not being able to be restarted due to large numbers online in the regions"(!). Support was of the opinion that LeTigre HAD been rolled. It had NOT. Every LeTigre region I subsequently visited had not been rolled.
Wirtz was restarted at my request but has not rolled to a new server version. Yet.
It is interesting to note that the Roll ended long before the LeTigre regions are normally rolled, so clearly something was not normal. With the Restart Thread no longer being created by LL in this forum we are completely in the dark as to what has occurred. I must say this is very poor communication by The Lab.
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I should probably refrain from pointing out the blindingly obvious...but...
@Liffento Eldritch: Many regions need restarting far more often than the "every ten days or so" that is currently being followed by LL. Moreover the restart occurs when 10 days are up and not on the normal rolling restart days. I have personal experience of this.
Dependent on the number and type of scripts and the region traffic, regions often require frequent restarting to clear the leaky memory of the simulator.
As to "not worrying", frankly we worry simply because LL's tech teams are only barely in control of this behemoth we call SL, and they frequently have far more pressing matters to attend to than region restarts, which are NOT automatic.
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What Nal said.^
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I sincerely hope that Nova is not on a homestead or even worse an openspace region. Neither could support 7300 scripts! It might be germane to know whether it is a private estate or a Mainland full region though. If there are differences there it opens another can of worms regarding the sort of server that such full regions inhabit.
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Yes I see the sense in this analysis. However that does not address the issue I am seeing on my homestead.
Prior to this phenomenon beginning last year we had within 5% of the same number of scripts running on the region and as avatars were running more or less the same number we do today and yet script-run was >99%. We had some 16.00ms spare time, and while I understand that number is shared between however many regions are on that core/server, that suggests that there is some.
Now with little or no script increase, either on-region or on-avatar we see the same spare time yet routinely <50% script-run. I see no other significant changes in the stats figures, and no change to allocated memory, so what has happened. This cannot be the process you describe (though I can see it on some other regions I visit where script numbers are very large).
There must have been some sort of script-run throttle applied, presumably during a change of server version, last year, though nothing was mentioned.
So while your proposition may hold in certain circumstances it is not the phenomenon I see on Woods of Heaven. That is borne out by Rider Linden's analysis that nothing else seemed amiss.
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On 5/28/2019 at 3:57 PM, Minuet Voir said:
[2019/05/23 15:05:25] Mazidox Linden: First off my apologies to those of you who enjoy reading about just how internal our fixes are, I neglected to put out a forum post and update the wiki this week. It'll happen Soon(tm).
*Sigh*
It's the 29th and there's no sign of 'em. What constitutes "soon" to a Linden, I wonder...this year? Yes, I know "internal logging improvements" or some such. I'm sufficiently pedantic to want to know!
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Forgive me for being obtuse but so far as I can tell, we are no nearer to seeing the immediate past server release notes and those currently being deployed. If I am wrong, I am happy to be corrected and I'll go and stand in the stupid corner.
Viewer release notes are not of much interest to me but server versions are.
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@animats: I am not going to pretend that I fully understood all that but it strikes me that at last some constructive ideas are coming forward to the running of SL.
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It's a shame, Billy. You must be one of the many lucky ones. I know quite a few of what must be the Unlucky ones. No, no-one knows, and as yet certainly not the Lindens. I did consider removing as many scripts for the region as I could, but I now know someone who did try it with virtually no improvement (OK 5% improvement). We just keep our heads down and do the best we can.
Sorry I bridled, having been in SL since 2008, I get a bit precious now and then.
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All well and good Billy, were any of the other stats changed...they weren't. The idle time, physics time, spare time or anything else showed no variance. Just script-run percentage. I have no explanation, nor have any other the Lindens that have analysed my homestead's performance. Most recently Rider Linden did an in depth analysis using his Linden tools and found nothing unusual, save the script-run. It is good that LL are investigating this issue, but so far we have absolutely nothing to go on.
As an aside I rather resent your supposition that I might NOT have looked at this issue in depth.
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Thanks for that, I needed a laugh!
My homestead restarted just a few minutes ago.
Mind you "who knew" from a Linden is pretty disappointing.
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Billy, I said nothing had changed. NOTHING! One night I logged out and script run was >99%. Next day it was <50%.
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4 hours ago, Resi Pfeffer said:
Is there a way to contribute to a Jira? Im renting a homestead parcel what has about ~30% script run since weeks (Higginston), and the landlord GLH just doesnt know what to do at all.
No, Resi, you cannot comment but you can "watch" the subject. Once a JIRA has been "accepted" by LL, no further comments can be added but adding yourself to the watching list will both keep you up to date with changes made to the JIRA and show interest in the matter.
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Additional to what Toric mentioned, Rider Linden was on my region on Monday collecting data on the region, which has had <50% script run for months, irrespective of how many restarts I give it. Prior to this phenomenon beginning script run had never dropped below 99%.
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Yes Willow, I know, I have already been in touch with LLSupport about some issues on heavily loaded LeTigre regions.
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Have you tried logging into any other locations?
It sounds like your chosen home region has restarted with a permissions failure. That isn't unknown and a restart (contact LL Support) for the region usually fixes that. Otherwise it may be your connection (ISP) that is struggling or your modem/router might benefit from a full power-off restart.
There are just so many ways things can and do go askew with SL!