Family Nudism Locations on SL

[benchthis]

4 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Search google for "family nude beaches" .. see what type of sites come back ... xvideos .. xnxx voyeur .. porn hub

Can we stop pretending this is innocent.

 

 

 

The sad thing is these sorts of places are likely gateways to other places, darker places, dungeons, childdom, torture, mutilation.

[Quistess Alpha]

15 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Search google for "family nude beaches" .. see what type of sites come back

Oh eww. another reason to stop using the Goliath; DuckDuckGo just mostly gives back travel sites. (and yes, DDG will give adult video sites if you ask it something where those are more relevant)

If ~videos were specifically searched for, I'd argue selection bias: 'normal' video sites wouldn't allow the content.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Quistess Alpha

[benchthis]

2 minutes ago, benchthis said:

The sad thing is these sorts of places are likely gateways to other places, darker places, dungeons, childdom, torture, mutilation.

How many kidnapped real life kids are being tortured right now? How many of the torturers use second life as a fix between murders? 

[Coffee Pancake]

6 minutes ago, benchthis said:

The sad thing is these sorts of places are likely gateways to other places, darker places, dungeons, childdom, torture, mutilation.

Or just as a place to meet "like minded people" to roleplay or exchange other material in private.

The entire existence of these "nude" beaches in SL has been a festering sore for almost 2 decades now. We all know what's going on. These places used to be MUCH more overt before the rules changed, and when the rules changed we all saw how these places and their patrons adapted so they could carry on like nothing happened.

 

 

[Coffee Pancake]

3 minutes ago, benchthis said:

How many kidnapped real life kids are being tortured right now? How many of the torturers use second life as a fix between murders? 

I don't think we need to invent speculative links .. even if all these locations do it provide a way for certain people to meet up and privately exchange materials, that is already super illegal.

[benchthis]

2 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Or just as a place to meet "like minded people" to roleplay or exchange other material in private.

The entire existence of these "nude" beaches in SL has been a festering sore for almost 2 decades now. We all know what's going on. These places used to be MUCH more overt before the rules changed, and when the rules changed we all saw how these places and their patrons adapted so they could carry on like nothing happened.

 

 

I've seen places that appear to be family friendly way off in the middle of nowhere on private region with neighboring adult regions. The family friendly place is recommended by the destination guide floater and is often trending. I discovered that things that appear to be too good to be true are likely going to try to recruit and groom anyone needing a little extra cash. 

[benchthis]

14 hours ago, Eternal Lennie said:

So, as title says, there are family nudism parcels/regions on SL.

Many to access are group only where you have to pay to access as group's are not free.

Looking at map, they seem fairly populated..

How is stuff like this allowed on SL? And/or can they be reported? Or should I just go about and continue on my day?

Sad to say but eventually you will start to care less and less. 

[benchthis]

I really need to publish a book about my experiences with second life on amazon. 

[Rowan Amore]

54 minutes ago, benchthis said:

they don't have adult furniture to perform s#@ acts/animations with other users, they can use a wearable hud with adult animations. I've seen child avatars troll adult avatars with explicit animations 1 time in a public space.  I was on the ss galaxy once playing on the playground and literally saw a lady performing acts on a male avatar in front of me. I jira'd a suggestion to have a way to detect explicit animations in a G M area but don't think that was actionable. 

Then it becomes a Reportable offense.  

As @Coffee Pancakepointed out, we all know what these types of places are all about.  Some of the people who frequent these places are well aware of what is NOT allowed but have found ways to circumvent the rules.  You know it, I know it, LL knows it.  Unless something is specifically seen (with photos) or heard in local or sent to you in IM, one can only assume what is going on and LL isn't going to do anything about assumptions.  Regardless of what one poster here seems to think, there's really not a good reason for naked children to be around naked adults, IMO although I'm not at all surprised by their comment.

[benchthis]

One of my fears is AWS is going to pull SL from their platform for violating their terms. #Downlift? The Rise and Fall of Second Life. 

Edited May 1, 2023 by benchthis

[Love Zhaoying]

9 minutes ago, benchthis said:

One of my fears is AWS is going to pull SL from their platform for violating their terms. #Downlift? The Rise and Fall of Second Life. 

Why? Don't be afraid. SL is the same as it has always been.  AWS gets paid. SL is not violating any "terms", users are violating LL's "terms". 

* falls off soapbox clumsily, to the song "Clumsy" by Fergie *

 

[Michael Blackwood]

3 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

a few letter word deleted makes it more inclusive

Thank you!

Edited May 1, 2023 by Michael Blackwood

[benchthis]

4 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Why? Don't be afraid. SL is the same as it has always been.  AWS gets paid. SL is not violating any "terms", users are violating LL's "terms". 

* falls off soapbox clumsily, to the song "Clumsy" by Fergie *

 

I've read they are pretty strict about being associated with chi#@ po@#graphy

[Love Zhaoying]

6 minutes ago, benchthis said:

11 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Why? Don't be afraid. SL is the same as it has always been.  AWS gets paid. SL is not violating any "terms", users are violating LL's "terms". 

* falls off soapbox clumsily, to the song "Clumsy" by Fergie *

 

I've read they are pretty strict about being associated with chi#@ po@#graphy

SL has been on Amazon Web Services for years now. Just a reminder.  

Sorry but - this feels like a major derail. This thread is not really about where you are taking it: torture, murder, illegal CP, etc.  

 

[Persephone Emerald]

This is the same problem Second Life has had almost since its beginning. It tacitly allows cringy and possibly illegal activity because stopping it would be nearly impossible.

All we can do as users is report it when we see it. Complaining about it on this Forum does no good. 

Nudity does not equate to sexual content. Child avatars on an Adult rated sim does not equate to child avatars being in sexual situations. Baby girls are not child avatars. Anime girls are not necessarily child avatars. Playgrounds are not pick-up sites. - There's the opportunity for bad actors to abuse all of these situations though. If you see that, report it, but don't assume that everyone in these situations is doing something wrong.

[benchthis]

Just now, Love Zhaoying said:

SL has been on Amazon Web Services for years now. Just a reminder.  

Sorry but - this feels like a major derail. This thread is not really about where you are taking it: torture, murder, illegal CP, etc.  

 

AWS has established a reoccurring problematic pattern with Linden Lab and Second Life with no foreseeable resolution. 

[Coffee Pancake]

12 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Why? Don't be afraid. SL is the same as it has always been.  AWS gets paid. SL is not violating any "terms", users are violating LL's "terms". 

It's really not.

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for any content or activity that promotes child sexual exploitation or abuse;

source : https://aws.amazon.com/aup/

ANY content that PROMOTES 

 

 

[EliseAnne85]

17 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

SL is not violating any "terms", users are violating LL's "terms".

Yep, exactly.  

Just speaking in general, not directed to Love specifically:  SL could be seen the same as Ebay.  If people are selling illegal reproductions or even stolen goods on Ebay, it's on the seller.  Ebay cannot "police" what may be 10's of thousands of listing that pass thru Ebay everyday.  It would be impossible.

I've never heard of this but I'd steer clear of it altogether and go and enjoy your SL because there are all kinds of cringey things happening in SL or RL we have no control over.  

If you want to play undercover agent and get some "proof" of anything SL or even RL, that's up to you (speaking to the OP here).

Edited May 1, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[WereBeast Alpha]

37 minutes ago, benchthis said:

I really need to publish a book about my experiences with second life on amazon. 

I think there is already a blogger who has done that but she is redoing her book adding more information about different worlds. Ellie's Virtual World Universe on Tumblr

[Coffee Pancake]

4 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:

SL could be seen the same as Ebay.  If people are selling illegal reproductions or even stolen goods on Ebay, it's on the seller.  Ebay cannot "police" what may be 10's of thousands of listing that pass thru Ebay everyday.  It would be impossible.

Ebay do a really good job of removing and ending auctions for illegal content and banning users attempting to circumvent the rules.

Removing "public family nude" locations from SL is not an impossible task. It's easy.

[benchthis]

1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Ebay do a really good job of removing and ending auctions for illegal content and banning users attempting to circumvent the rules.

Removing "public family nude" locations from SL is not an impossible task. It's easy.

Etsy has filters built in. For example. If someone attempts to sell ivory soap sculptures, it's highly likely that their account would be banned because the ai picked up the word ivory. 

"In 1989, the Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) issued a worldwide ban on the trading of ivory."

Flagging a few key words to alert governance of possible liabilities would be wise investment.  

[EliseAnne85]

2 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

The real problem is with those who jump to a cringe worthy conclusion when naked child and naked adult are put together in the same vicinity. What should be reported is what seems to have gone on in their mind's eye. 😵

It's cringey because the SL private parts shall we say can be rather X-rated.  On some nudists I've seen the private parts are elaborately decorated and often X-rated.  That's what went thru my mind's eye but nothing else.  That's the part that makes it cringey is it's SL and it's elaboration of private parts.  That kind of elaboration should be Adult only but the person would have to get proof otherwise it could be as someone said, it's bots and it's stir up the emotions of others, kind of like griefing.

My shock moment in SL happened a very long time ago when I found about certain sims that do horrible things to women.  As a newbie, I thought SL was allowing it.  I've learned it's the users and a resident could end one with reporting while another one starts up the next day.  

It's very much like being an Ebay user, there are lots of questionable listings going through there every day but the Ebay user is going against Ebay's TOS but the proof isn't necessarily concrete.  With Ebay, I just happen to have a feeling that it is not a real antique but is a reproduction as the Hallmark is smeared or something just looks off.  

Edited May 1, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[benchthis]

6 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:

It's cringey because the SL private parts shall we say can be rather X-rated.  On some nudists I've seen the private parts are elaborately decorating and often X-rated.  That's what went thru my mind's eye but nothing else.  That's the part that makes it cringey is it's SL and it's elaboration of private parts.  That kind of elaboration should be Adult only but the person would have to get proof otherwise it could be as someone said, it's bots and it's stir up the emotions of others, kind of like griefing.

My shock moment in SL happened a very long time ago when I found about certain sims that do horrible things to women.  As a newbie, I thought SL was allowing it.  I've learned it's the users and a resident could end one with reporting while another one starts up the next day.  

It's very much like being an Ebay user, there are lots of questionable listings going through there every day but the Ebay user is going against Ebay's TOS.  

I would not doubt there are people here willing to spend any amount of money to take second life out. Good point. A private region is how much a month and they have how many, and they are doing what with them? 

Edited May 1, 2023 by benchthis

[benchthis]

They don't want to acknowledge the problem because by doing so they will be admitting there is a problem. They won't apologize because doing so will admit guilt. 

It's okay.  

[benchthis]

Using the Second Life Abuse Report and having faith that due diligence is completed is no longer a sustainable solution.