Conifer Dada Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 While in-world I got a message pop-up stating that the 2.7 Beta viewer is available, so I logged out and downloaded it.The main feature is that shadows can be enabled easily on the Preferences / Graphics menu instead of playing about with debug settings as before. I tried this and the shadows appeared nicely. You can also enable 'depth of field' - that worked too. Both these caused quite a bit of lag, as might be expected, but shadows should be good for doing SL snapshots.The viewer also does shadows from local lights but on our computer those functions are greyed out, so I couldn't try them.The main bug, for me, when shadows are enabled, is that 'shiny' stops working. What has anyone else found with Viewer 2.7 Beta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveAngeL Lyre Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Hello Conifer. To be honest i didin't know that 2.7 Beta was available so i haven't tried it yet. The new feature with shadows hears interesting although i prefer to have them disabled. Of course both features you reported would be great for snapshots. On the other side last 2 days i am trying the Viewer 2-6-9-230635_ProjectViewer-Search but i can't say that i was impressed with the changes in Search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dora Gustafson Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Conifer Dada wrote: The main bug, for me, when shadows are enabled, is that 'shiny' stops working. This is the general conception, but take a closer look. Shiny along with the general rendering is much more natural now See this link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leliel Mirihi Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Dora Gustafson wrote: Conifer Dada wrote: The main bug, for me, when shadows are enabled, is that 'shiny' stops working. This is the general conception, but take a closer look. Shiny along with the general rendering is much more natural now See this link The reason for this misconception is that the old shiny made things look like chrome where as the new shiny makes things look shiny. Since the old shiny was only good for one thing, and it drastically changed the color of the object in the process, that's all people used it for. So now when people turn on deferred they see a more subtle shiny that doesn't change the color of the object and things look horribly wrong. So I know this argument is going to come up again and again over the next 2 years, but fundamentally the old shiny is broken, and limited what you can do. The new shiny is much better but you have to make content with it in mind. If you still want to use the old shiny with deferred on then make the object fullbright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ann Otoole Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 leliel Mirihi wrote: Dora Gustafson wrote: Conifer Dada wrote: The main bug, for me, when shadows are enabled, is that 'shiny' stops working. This is the general conception, but take a closer look. Shiny along with the general rendering is much more natural now See this link The reason for this misconception is that the old shiny made things look like chrome where as the new shiny makes things look shiny. Since the old shiny was only good for one thing, and it drastically changed the color of the object in the process, that's all people used it for. So now when people turn on deferred they see a more subtle shiny that doesn't change the color of the object and things look horribly wrong. So I know this argument is going to come up again and again over the next 2 years, but fundamentally the old shiny is broken, and limited what you can do. The new shiny is much better but you have to make content with it in mind. If you still want to use the old shiny with deferred on then make the object fullbright. This response is accurate. I have had to redo textures on products to deal with the "issue". But to me it is mostly a matter of we got away with stuff before but no more. Such as some prim to sculpty tools that will produce nothing but garbage now. The right way is the mesh way going forward. Yes some large amount of content will break. But it was broken to begin with. No I am not going to replace anything because LL finally unbroke something. In addition LL had true reflectivity in the viewer years ago and took it out. LL needs to put it back in. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leliel Mirihi Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ann Otoole wrote: In addition LL had true reflectivity in the viewer years ago and took it out. LL needs to put it back in. IMHO We need both actually. The new shiny does proper specular highlights, and rather cheaply at that. Full blown [specular] reflections are a separate feature that we will hopefully get one day, however the performance hit for them is pretty high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Hird Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 This beta has significant stability issues on MacBook Pro. It is the first time in over 3 years I have experienced a kernel panic because of an application. This viewer did it :matte-motes-dont-cry: ... no high end graphics options turned on above bog standard High setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Ann Otoole wrote: Such as some prim to sculpty tools that will produce nothing but garbage now. Is this a non-sequitor from out of nowhere or did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Starsider Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Does not sound to promising. I'll install and try the beta to see if I have the same experience. - Luc - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Someone gave me this link http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/snowstorm_viewer-development/rev/231334/arch/Darwin/installer/SecondLife_2_7_2_231334_DEVELOPMENT.dmg and said finally I would be able to see shadows on my MacPro with ATI card. But I just crash as soon as I open the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Sorbet Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 The most recent nightly build, snowstorm_viewer-development (231706), has a change to stop one major startup crash, STORM-1298.. For this crash, the last line in secondlife.log would say "ERROR: LLViewerTextureList::doPreloadImages: ASSERT (mImageList.empty())" The JIRA report is for a crash on OS X, but it reproduces on other operating systems too, one trigger could be an empty or not yet created settings.xml. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinty Serendipity Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I downloaded the new update for Beta on Saturday morning and things have all gone horribly wrong. My objects are all black....I am wandering around my house in the dark as if my power has been cut. I much prefer Beta to the regular V2, can anyone give me a solution to my problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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