Should commercial ventures and estates in SL be allowed to discriminate?

[BilliJo Aldrin]

On 1/1/2018 at 11:40 AM, Luna Bliss said:

Why does a certain section of the 'right' seem obsessed with denigrating Lincoln? Is it because they don't want those who are more progressive minded to venerate him, have our hero that cared about the oppressed and sought to bring about equality and justice?

if more people were aware of some of the things Lincoln said about blacks they would be clamoring to remove the lincoln memorial. one must consider though he was just in tune with his time. i doubt very few abolitionists while fighting to end slavery would want to live beside blacks or have their daughters marry one.

Lincolns long term goal was to return all the blacks to africa or any other country that would accept them

[Nalytha]

I wish the South would secede and take their orange Cheto with them. 

Then maybe everyone could be happy. 

- SOS, a Yank stuck in the South

[Pamela Galli]

16 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

My understanding, from historical readings, is that Britain came up with ways of getting money from the colonists, because it was only fair, and one of those measures, perhaps a tax on tea, was the straw that broke the camel's back, and caused the rebellion.

What the colonists objected to was No Taxation Without Representation (and yes I know that only certain demographic/economic groups could have representation in England). Initially no one was seriously thinking about splitting from England -- the British colonists considered themselves British. (Paul Revere did not announce that the British were coming because Americans were British). It was Thomas Paine's Common Sense that eventually ignited the desire for Independence. It was quite a best seller. 

As for the Brits "not trying very hard", it was simply a case of being short on resources at the time. If the Brits repelled Caesar, and held off the Nazis while Europe caved, there is no question that lack of trying, whatever their resources, is not the problem. There is a difference. 

[Pamela Galli]

10 minutes ago, Nalytha said:

I wish the South would secede and take their orange Cheto with them. 

Then maybe everyone could be happy. 

- SOS, a Yank stuck in the South

I was hoping Alabamans had proven that Southerners should not be all tarred with the same brush. Progressives may not be in the majority but they are fighting, and should be given credit for it. 

 

ETA The Cheeto is from NYC, and a lot of non Southern states voted for him.

Edited January 2, 2018 by Pamela Galli

[BilliJo Aldrin]

1 minute ago, Pamela Galli said:

What the colonists objected to was No Taxation Without Representation (and yes I know that only certain demographic/economic groups could have representation in England). Initially no one was seriously thinking about splitting from England -- the British colonists considered themselves British. (Paul Revere did not announce that the British were coming because Americans were British). It was Thomas Paine's Common Sense that eventually ignited the desire for Independence. It was quite a best seller. 

As for the Brits "not trying very hard", it was simply a case of being short on resources at the time. If the Brits repelled Caesar, and held off the Nazis while Europe caved, there is no question that lack of trying, whatever their resources, is not the problem. There is a difference. 

the brits repelled caesar? london was founded by the romans i believe and there was a roman presence in britain for about 300 years

[BilliJo Aldrin]

Just now, Pamela Galli said:

I was hoping Alabamans had proven that Southerners should not be all tarred with the same brush. Progressives may not be in the majority but they are fighting, and should be given credit for it. 

i wish youd stop calling them progressives and call them what they really are leftists socialists and communists

[Phil Deakins]

I'm only going from my memory of what I've read, Pam, and it's not infallible

I've no doubt that you are right about the 'no representation' part though, so I won't argue the point. I do remember reading about stamp duty and tax on tea as being means of getting money from the colonists to at least help pay for their defenses.

 

[Phil Deakins]

10 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

the brits repelled caesar? london was founded by the romans i believe and there was a roman presence in britain for about 300 years

Yes, but not Julius Ceasar. Ceaser only made a short, exploratory visit before he and his men went back.

It was a later Roman leader (not sure if he was an emporer or a consul) who conquered much of England, and they were here for a few hundred years.

I doubt that London was founded by the Romans. They called it Lundinium (or Londinium) but I doubt that they built it all. It's much more likely that they expanded what was already there - a large village, or something like that.

Edited January 2, 2018 by Phil Deakins

[Paul Hexem]

The point is, the colonists won, it's only cheating if you get caught, and holy crap this thread is all over the place.

[Phil Deakins]

1 minute ago, Gadget Portal said:

and holy crap this thread is all over the place.

It is, isn't it lol.

[Pamela Galli]

31 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

i wish youd stop calling them progressives and call them what they really are leftists socialists and communists

I only called them that once. I really prefer The Resistance. A new coalition like we saw in Alabama.

[Love Zhaoying]

@Hunter Stern, let us know if you see sims advertising "WHITES ONLY" or "STRAIGHTS ONLY".  That would be worth getting upset over.

[Luna Bliss]

1 hour ago, Phil Deakins said:

....they wanted the British military's protection because they were British subjects. My understanding, from historical readings, is that Britain came up with ways of getting money from the colonists, because it was only fair, and one of those measures, perhaps a tax on tea, was the straw that broke the camel's back, and sparked the rebellion.

You bring up a point that interests me most...what really was fair between the British and Colonists. It doesn't seem the British were too concerned about what was fair, as they didn't even allow representation from the Colonies that would be needed to determine fairness. It seems they just wanted to impose whatever they wanted.
No doubt the Colonists would be lacking in empathy as well, just judging form how most people/groups determine fairness -- we have trouble seeing the others side.
But I don't like how you're assigning blame solely to the American side by saying it was only fair to get taxes from the colonists because they provided support and that the Colonists rebelled, causing the whole problem.
Also, the idea that backs your supposition -- that the Colonists needed to pay for their militia protection via these taxes -- seems to be false. The Colonists did not want support from the militia and felt competent to defend against the Indians by this point in time...they wanted the militia to vacate, but the British came up with a demand of taxes to pay for support of the militia instead (the Quartering Act).

[Nalytha]

43 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said:

I was hoping Alabamans had proven that Southerners should not be all tarred with the same brush. Progressives may not be in the majority but they are fighting, and should be given credit for it. 

 

ETA The Cheeto is from NYC, and a lot of non Southern states voted for him.

You are right. I shouldn't have said that. 

I shouldn't be allowed on forums until I've had my coffee. 

[Luna Bliss]

10 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said:

I really prefer The Resistance. A new coalition like we saw in Alabama.

Yes, the so-called 'free market' ends up concentrating too much power in too few entities (corporations), and Socialism concentrates too much power in  too few people (the government, bought off by wealthy interests).....hopefully something else is developing to deal with this mess.

[Love Zhaoying]

59 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

if more people were aware of some of the things Lincoln said about blacks they would be clamoring to remove the lincoln memorial. one must consider though he was just in tune with his time. i doubt very few abolitionists while fighting to end slavery would want to live beside blacks or have their daughters marry one.

Yet, earlier Presidents fathered children with their black slaves. Funny, how things change.

[Love Zhaoying]

50 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

the brits repelled caesar? london was founded by the romans i believe and there was a roman presence in britain for about 300 years

Don't you ever read "Asterisk and Obelisk"?

[Luna Bliss]

1 hour ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

On 1/1/2018 at 10:40 AM, Luna Bliss said:

Why does a certain section of the 'right' seem obsessed with denigrating Lincoln? Is it because they don't want those who are more progressive minded to venerate him, have our hero that cared about the oppressed and sought to bring about equality and justice?

if more people were aware of some of the things Lincoln said about blacks they would be clamoring to remove the lincoln memorial. one must consider though he was just in tune with his time. i doubt very few abolitionists while fighting to end slavery would want to live beside blacks or have their daughters marry one.

Lincolns long term goal was to return all the blacks to africa or any other country that would accept them

So your concern in all this is to have the Lincoln memorial removed?

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

So your concern in all this is to have the Lincoln memorial removed?

Maybe because Lincoln was a Republican? Down with Republicans!

[Luna Bliss]

This thread has disappeared from the General section...I only got back here by clicking on a Notification at the top that lead back to this thread.

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

This thread has disappeared from the General section...I only got back here by clicking on a Notification at the top that lead back to this thread.

Maybe that is one step removed from the thread being locked?

[Pamela Galli]

2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

This thread has disappeared from the General section...I only got back here by clicking on a Notification at the top that lead back to this thread.

Same here. 

[Luna Bliss]

.......slowly things begin to disappear...first from our MP stores.......then from our Transactions History.....and now a thread is gone....

Are they in the cloud?

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

and now a thread is gone....

If you pull on individual threads, will Second Life unravel, or will Reality?

[Luna Bliss]

Quick...run around and crazily react to everything on this thread...so we can find our way back.........