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BilliJo Aldrin

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4 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Conference rooms at festivals get used by various groups in succession, and I had just attended a women's songwriting session taught by a black woman. I'd been sitting there talking to a couple of black women songwriters as the meeting ended and didn't notice the next group had filtered in, which was a support group for black women only.

First you make it sound like you were there as an ally, and now you were just loitering and a few of the black women took offence at your present.

They were 100% correct in telling you to leave.

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2 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

well then,  I guess the black women hadn't heard of allies, or maybe they just wanted you to butt out and let them have their meeting on their own

Highly possible. Occam’s razor. Makes more sense than them being intentionally hurtful for no reason. Unless you’re a racist, then the reason is always race.

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4 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I agree it should be evaluated carefully, but that pendulum has a long way to swing to equal what minorities have suffered, given the way we've treated blacks, gays, the disabled, and other minorities through the ages in this country and around the world.

Though I love spirituality, I hate religion, and especially any religion that says other human beings are trash and should be denied rights (you know, like the cake-denying person does, and the official trying to deny gays a marriage license).

I'm curious.. do you think whites are the only race to have abused "others"? 

Or are all races guilty of racism and abusing people that are different?

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1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

I think religions and movements start out as way to make sense of the world and one's place in it, and often have a spark in the beginning (a new way of seeing something, more alive, a better or more loving way that's beneficial to many)

You obviously haven't looked too deeply at the origins of religions. They are seldom new ways of looking at anything, and 'loving' is hardly a word to use of most of them, and in 5 decades, I've still never seen anything beneficial about any of them, unless you happen to be an official member of the cults clergy, when you are usually good for free meals for life.

Ever wondered why the descriptions in Scripture of which parts of a sacrificed ox, that you burn as offerings to the skydaddy, are the bits nobody wants to eat, and the bits the clergy quietly dispose of are the 1/2 a ton of fresh steak?



 

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4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

If only there were reparations, in the 1870’s when it should have happened. So much pain and suffering since then, impossible to calculate.

I'm 100% in favor of reparations for slavery.  I say we give every Black American that feels entitled to slavery reparations $25,000 and a one way ticket to the African country of their choice. In exchange they renounce their american citizenship.

Hey, its what Abraham Lincoln wanted, only without the cash payment

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41 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

One day i was sitting listening to yet another boring story about the Jews and though, why am i listening to this, I'm not Jewish.

I never went back.

 

I’m sure you didn’t mean it this way, but because the first history lesson most people learn about the Jews is the Haulocaust, this came out to me really messed up. 

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3 hours ago, Klytyna said:

Not as much as you think...

Remember there are still people out there, who have gone from worrying about the Crusades to executing people for playing soccer or having a tape recorder.
 

Its funny really, in America we get all upset because some guy refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but in other parts of the world, they murder homosexuals on a regular basis. Maybe it's okey because it's just part of their culture... who knows.

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24 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Yes and in a "perfect" world, pre K wil start before the parents can have any sort of effect on their childrens attitudes, I'm thinking 18 months. 

Get em young and brainwash em right.... errr left

 

So you want to teach them what? To be hateful, selfish, discriminating racists (far Right)? They learn that at home.

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47 minutes ago, Aethelwine said:

You see the cup half empty by focusing on the Lutheran Priest that was the exception, rather than the cup half full (or more accurately not very far off being full) of the religions standing together in unity.  Sometimes cynicism is justified, it certainly protects you from disappointment if you set your expectations so low that they will be exceeded, but a cynical view is not an objective one... You focus on the exception rather than trend to form your opinion.

You misunderstood...

I DON'T see the lutheran's hypocrisy as the "Exception rather than the trend".

I just see them as the ONLY one that got publicly caught being a hypocrite.

Again... How many of those religious representatives would have been there standing next to people from enemy cults, if the TV cameras hadn't been there to film them officially "showing they care" where the world can see and applaud.

It's like those newbite clips where the CEO of some huge multinational is seen handing a giant cheque for $2000 to Timmy the Crippled Orphan Boy, on the evening news, a week before very quietly announcing to investors that the corporation has increased global profits by a billion dollars a year through the use of child labour in 3rd world factories with no Health & Safety provision, and a 20% yearly casualty rate.
 

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4 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Oh wait  I forgot, The holocaust is the one historical event no one is ever supposed to discuss, never ever ever.

According to you? Most people have no problem discussing it. 

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Innula Zenovka

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1 hour ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Who is talking about religion? He believed gay marriage was wrong and refused to have any part of it by baking a cake.

If you're talking about Jack Phillips, the baker from Colorado whose case was heard by the Supreme Court last month, The New York Times reported that

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The case arose from a brief encounter in 2012, when David Mullins and Charlie Craig visited Mr. Phillips’s bakery, Masterpiece Cakeshop, in Lakewood, Colo. The couple were going to be married in Massachusetts, and they were looking for a wedding cake for a reception in Colorado.

Mr. Phillips turned them down, saying he would not use his talents to convey a message of support for same-sex marriage as that would clash with his religious faith. The couple say they were humiliated by Mr. Phillips’s refusal to serve them, and they filed a complaint with Colorado’s civil rights commission.

Kristen K. Waggoner, a lawyer for Mr. Phillips, said the state should not be able to force him to endorse same-sex marriage in violation of his religious principles. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/us/politics/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-cake.html?_r=0

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7 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Well, in at least one country I know of, discussing the Holocaust will get you arrested and thrown in jail.

I believe its called "dishonoring the memory of the dead"

Do any of us live there? 

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Do any of us live there? 

Its Germany. Not only can you be arrested for discussing the Holocaust, but if you try and defend yourself in court you are liable for a new charge... aaaand, if you have a lawyer to defend you, he is liable to be charged too.

If you are arrested your only hope is to plead guilty and throw yourself at the mercy of the court.

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3 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Its Germany

Is that the offence?    It's dangerous to rely on Wikipedia for legal advice, I know, but if you look at the subsection on Germany in the article on Laws against Holocaust Denial, the most obvious provision is that 

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Whosoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or downplays an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the kind indicated in section 6 (1) of the Code of International Criminal Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine

Section 6 (1) of the "Code of crimes against international law" deals with genocide.

 

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