Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 So.. the destination website is asking for your email but not giving the 1000L as promised, yet they are reputable? Yes, I always thought it was ok to sign up with emails too, until this happened to me. I don't mind Best Buy or Amazon or whatever getting my email address, but if I am not doing business with a company, then they aren't getting my email address, especially if they are offering free lindens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 You've got it wrong, Charolotte. The website isn't the one sending the IMs - they aren't offering money. It's the affiliate who is falsely offering money. Look at it this way... You create a commercial website and you want people to come to it. You sign up to an affiliate centre. The affiliate centre gets other people who have websites, usually hobby sites, to put links to your site on their sites. They are affiliates. You don't know who they or their websites, but you do expect anyone who comes from their sites to be genuinely interested in what your site is about. Every time someone comes to your site from theirs, and signs up, you pay the affiliate centre a small amount of money, and the centre pays part of it to the affiliate. In this current fraud, the destination is the same as your site and the IMer is the affiliate. You don't know each other, but you do expect those who come to your site from his, and sign up, to have a genuine interest. You do not expect him to be making false promises to people, just to get them to sign up in your site, so that he can get some of your money (via the affiliate centre). What you want, and expect, are people who are genuinely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 Charolotte Caxton wrote: So.. the destination website is asking for your email but not giving the 1000L as promised, yet they are reputable? Yes, I always thought it was ok to sign up with emails too, until this happened to me. I don't mind Best Buy or Amazon or whatever getting my email address, but if I am not doing business with a company, then they aren't getting my email address, especially if they are offering free lindens I keep one E Mail address that is strictly for business purposes only. No one else I know has this address and I use a very strong password on it. I use a second separate address for businesses that I am not sure I will have a long time relationship with or if I am not sure of their integrity. Friends and family are on a third. It's a minor inconvenience for me but one that I feel is worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I don't understand. So the affiliate is promising 1000L but it is a lie. That is still wrong isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 That's right, Charolotte. It's the IMer (the affiliate) who is lying to us and not the destination website. The destination website is the one where the sign-up form is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Perrie Juran wrote: Charolotte Caxton wrote: So.. the destination website is asking for your email but not giving the 1000L as promised, yet they are reputable? Yes, I always thought it was ok to sign up with emails too, until this happened to me. I don't mind Best Buy or Amazon or whatever getting my email address, but if I am not doing business with a company, then they aren't getting my email address, especially if they are offering free lindens I keep one E Mail address that is strictly for business purposes only. No one else I know has this address and I use a very strong password on it. I use a second separate address for businesses that I am not sure I will have a long time relationship with or if I am not sure of their integrity. Friends and family are on a third. It's a minor inconvenience for me but one that I feel is worth the effort. Oh! That's a very good idea! I could use a disposable email account to sign up for the shady websites in case they do payout! That way, if it gets scammed, I can just delete it, and I wont have any contacts so I wont have to worry about my friends getting scammed. Perfect, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Phil Deakins wrote: That's right, Charolotte. It's the IMer (the affiliate) who is lying to us and not the destination website. Ok, got it. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Good I think I deserve a "well done" for always remembering to put that extra "o" in your name, without having to edit and correct it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Well done, Phil, I just like hearing you say my name. :catembarrassed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 aaw, thank you :smileyhappy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 yw :catvery-happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Phil Deakins wrote: Good I think I deserve a "well done" for always remembering to put that extra "o" in your name, without having to edit and correct it Yeah, you did well with that ;-). When I first met her I asked if she preferred Char or Charo. She said, "I just like it when peeps notice the o." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Hahaha, is that how I talk, that is so funny. I literally just laughed out loud, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Well, that's the way I remember it, at least. You're welcome. :smileyhappy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 :smileyvery-happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarissa Lowell Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I just read in that other thread you linked to, Charolotte, that the purpose of the "take my survey" topics is to get the email address so they can send a worm or virus or hack in there. That is good reason for those to be banned in the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Just an update: I contacted the site to let them know what is happening. It seems they do want to know because they emailed me to ask who the person is. I couldn't tell them, of course, but I did give them the URL for this thread, plus enough information to discover who it is - the affilate ID is probably part of the url when you reach the site's registration page, and I copied the actual message with it's link, so they can follow the link, register, and then check their log to see who the affiliate is. The url is probably enough though. With a bit of luck, that person may receive absolutely nothing for his efforts, and may receive nothing even for genuine referrals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Starsider Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Great news, Phil! Kudos! Perhaps that will prevent a few other from trying the same... - Luc - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Charolotte Caxton wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: Charolotte Caxton wrote: So.. the destination website is asking for your email but not giving the 1000L as promised, yet they are reputable? Yes, I always thought it was ok to sign up with emails too, until this happened to me. I don't mind Best Buy or Amazon or whatever getting my email address, but if I am not doing business with a company, then they aren't getting my email address, especially if they are offering free lindens I keep one E Mail address that is strictly for business purposes only. No one else I know has this address and I use a very strong password on it. I use a second separate address for businesses that I am not sure I will have a long time relationship with or if I am not sure of their integrity. Friends and family are on a third. It's a minor inconvenience for me but one that I feel is worth the effort. Oh! That's a very good idea! I could use a disposable email account to sign up for the shady websites in case they do payout! That way, if it gets scammed, I can just delete it, and I wont have any contacts so I wont have to worry about my friends getting scammed. Perfect, thanks! At first I used disposable but found it easier to just stick with one. For the ones I'm not sure about I use yahoo mail. They have pretty good spam filters and once you mark a message as spam anything else from that domain goes to the spam folder. It just occurred to me if I save all the addresses and use the reply all the spammers would wind up spamming the spammers after they harvest the addresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Perrie Juran wrote: It just occurred to me if I save all the addresses and use the reply all the spammers would wind up spamming the spammers after they harvest the addresses. Except for one teeny weeny detail... The From field is usually spoofed - not the actual sender's email address. I occasionally get a stack of failed deliveries - "not known at this address", etc. - because my email addresses have been used to send mass spam. The From field can be anything the spammer wants to use, so the spammers wouldn't end up spamming the spammers. It would be innocent email addresses that get it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Phil Deakins wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: It just occurred to me if I save all the addresses and use the reply all the spammers would wind up spamming the spammers after they harvest the addresses. Except for one teeny weeny detail... The From field is usually spoofed - not the actual sender's email address. I occasionally get a stack of failed deliveries - "not known at this address", etc. - because my email addresses have been used to send mass spam. The From field can be anything the spammer wants to use, so the spammers wouldn't end up spamming the spammers. It would be innocent email addresses that get it all. Except for one tiny detail, how would the spammers have all the contacts if they weren't actually using your email account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Phil Deakins wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: It just occurred to me if I save all the addresses and use the reply all the spammers would wind up spamming the spammers after they harvest the addresses. Except for one teeny weeny detail... The From field is usually spoofed - not the actual sender's email address. I occasionally get a stack of failed deliveries - "not known at this address", etc. - because my email addresses have been used to send mass spam. The From field can be anything the spammer wants to use, so the spammers wouldn't end up spamming the spammers. It would be innocent email addresses that get it all. true, true. but was a nice thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 What happened to you was different, Charolotte. It's the bulk spammers that spoof the From field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charolotte Caxton Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Phil Deakins wrote: What happened to you was different, Charolotte. It's the bulk spammers that spoof the From field. I can't just be a one time only exception, can I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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