Rabid Cheetah

Well, it's sort of like trying to sell a used box of Lego. You can try to sell the entire box. You can try to mush a few pieces together into standard shapes, and sell the clusters of pieces. Or you can sell each little piece individually, and tell folks to mix and match as they choose. If the first two methods aren't selling your Lego, then it makes sense to try the third method of 4096 little peices each measuring four inches by four inches. Then, when even that doesn't sell, you drop off the box of Lego peices at the local thrift shop, and let the customers ponder why none of the pieces are stuck together...

576, near Great Wall, QUIET REGION, room to expand, $L1/m2, 131 prims http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ziczac/61/151/130

512 near Great Wall QUIET REGION room to expand $L1/m2 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ziczac/76/145/132

Live in the clouds! 2048 parcel bordered by PROTECTED LAND on 2 sides. next to yhe GREAT WALL/Rt 6 road. $L1/m2 East: Great Wall/Rt 6 PROTECTED LAND North: Almost a full region of Linden Public Works land with zero traffic, PROTECTED LAND West & South: Quiet neighbors and Asian-themed lots at ground-level, great Sunrise and Sunset views from the top of your new Great Wall home! Plenty of cheap nearby land if you need more prims. http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ziczac/176/238/131

"I'll Buy That For A Dollar!" -- Great spots at Abandoned Land prices! Multiple parcels selling at $L1/m2 Horse path & Railroad nearby: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sabre/218/223/105 The Great Wall - Southern Entry Point (Borders both the stone road and The Great Wall, at the begining point of the wall, and there's even a rare opening for walking INSIDE the wall.): http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Horisme/4/4/118

I want to sell land in the marketplace...not items. There doesn't seem to be a way to sell things without a magic box, which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for land. Wasn't there a special way to sell land? Was that removed?

Having troujble findind a FAQ on this...

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sabre/218/223/105 Sabre, Moderate Connects the start of SL Route 6/High Mountain Road (the horse path on the hill) to the SL Railroad in the valley bellow. Great for a country ranch, or railroad fans. Great Sunsets! 3024 m2 692 objects $L24,000 (7.9/m2)

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Horisme/4/4/118 Horisme, General Borders both the stone road and The Great Wall, at the begining point of the wall, and there's even a rare opening for walking INSIDE the wall. 2256 m2 516 objects $L22,560 (10/m2)

Ahh, the good old days. People were nicer back then. You could actually FIND people back then, not the ghostown the mainland has become. People weren't jaded if you didn't have the lastest flexiprim bling flashing glow in the dark mesh textured shoes with real toe animations, or whatever the latest fad is. Not only could you buy land that had a neighbor, but the neighbor would log on frequently so you had someone to say hello to. People didn't ban you just for coming over to say "hello". You didn't need to have the latest technology to create super-duper-state-of-the-art prims to get folks to think your builds, clothes, or parcels were pretty cool. SL would actually run on computers that had just a little bit of an edge over the norm for what the average consumer had, not all the special extra-expensive bells and whistles you need today to do mesh or whatever to handle the increasing problems with lag. All in all, it may have looked cartoonish by today's standards, but it was more FUN. And that's what people pay for, Linden: Fun. Not technology. Not bells and whistles. They pay for the entertainment EXPERIENCE.

On the contrary, your avatar DOES wait for you to come back. Sure, no one can see it, but it pines away in the server, wondering if it will ever see you again. Why must you be so cruel, and torture it so? Photonic lifeforms have feelings, too, you know!

I did the ocean thing for many years, until the land suddenly got used for a new continent and I logged in to a strange, new place lol At that point I decided to find a more permanent home.

rofl this is why I still love the forums

Thanks all for the feedback. Again, I'm not going into folks' places and eating their popsicles. Or demanding to use everything anywhere. Or going to estates with special rules -- this is only on Mainland. I'm just wandering over, and before I even have a chance to type hello, or immediately after I type hello, the instant ban starts. I'm not trying to dictate how other people should play. I'm trying to UNDERSTAND how they play, why they don't use the software the way it is designed. Leaving the land access set to public implies folks can come over for a neighborly chit chat. I guess my biggest beef is I'm opposed to the extremist attitudes. The assumption that a friendly stranger who hasn't even had a chance to say hello is "obviously" a griefer. Don't bother to try to find out or talk to them -- Just ban 'em. And sorry, Ahern, that goes for those of us subjected to bans, too. I'd also be opposed to instantly adopting the attitude of retaliation, and putting them on my ban lists. lol I don't HAVE a ban list. Even people I've parted ways with can still come on over to my public places. (My one little spot where I, too, don't want just anyone poppin' in while I'm chillin' on the couch, I use the software the way it was intended to be used and set it for private so no one can suddenly drop in) I much prefer, to extend your international analogy, to first attempt diplomacy before droppin' a nuke down their throats. Find out why they are acting that way. Can we come to a consensus? That's so much better than instantly putting up a giant statue of Bart Simpson mooning them. A good example of chatting to folks would be the very first time I got banned. It was a huge, region-wide parcel that WAS open to all...but they had a shrine of some sort with a giant gong you could click on. Silly me, I figured it would be fun to click the gong. The Japanese owner suddenly banned me. After talking, I found out what a faux pas I'd commited, as it was apparently disrespectful to her ancenstors to just walk up to a gong by her shrine and start banging it. I in turn sent her some stuff from wikipedia about gongs, how they are often used to announce someone's arrival, and even a link to what we Americans think of when we see a gong: Yes, The Gong Show. After talking things out, we developed understanding of each others' cultures, the ban was lifted, friendship ensued, and I could hear Hank Hill's Asian neighbor sayin' "Universe in harmony." :womanvery-happy: Sadly, she dissapeared from the game entirely a few months latter. I'll never know if she died in the tsunami. :womansurprised: But while she was there, I learned something, she learned something, and we avoided a grief-war. If I get banned, I try to understand...and state MY views...and if that doesn't work, I just move on. The OP would be part of that process of attempting to understand, and state my views on the subject. Now, if the vast majority of players differ in their view, perhaps LL should change the UI. Because IMHO, it's not the decision to pay $L30 to list a place that makes it public -- it's using the software as it's currently designed to allow public access that makes a parcel public. Perhaps this is a design flaw, or perhaps folks should realize what the software does (yes, I've spoken to many who didn't know they had that option). I don't know. Perhaps the OP should be expanded to a broader topic, about the breakdown of communication. P.S. lol of course I know not everyone is doing the nasty. Some folks just want to chil. My writting style sometimes includes sarcasm and humor. Sorry if that part rubbed folks the wrong way. P.S.S. Yes I know some folks don't see SL as a MMORPG. I'm not so sure cloistering into little enclaves across the grid is going to bring in the new people and/or former subscribers that this, sorry to use ther term, GAME, needs to remain fiscally sound. But that, too, is a much broader topic than my OP, and already being discussed in varous forms across other threads...

Welcome mats! Yes, those would be cool. Will have to search that in the Market Place. I think it just comes down to a level of civility. A simple, "Oh, hello. We're kind of having a private party at the moment. Maybe I'll stop over at your place when I have the time" is a lot better than having a coniption and instantly adding someone to a ban list. Heck, there's more clicks involved in doing that than simply unchecking the public access button. :womanvery-happy:

No, it's been a repeated theme lately. maybe 50% of folks don't have a problem with neighbors stopping by to say high, or potential neighbors doing so prior to buying land. It's the other half that are irritating. I just think that if folks would set their software to the access level the software is designed to set it to, a whole lot of hard feelings could be avoided. A few examples: Spending more than a month building in an area by The Great Wall, developing a friendship with a neighbor, who's happy that the area is finally regaining the Asian feel that it had many years ago. The place is still empty as far as residents who actually log in. Then a few new neighbors move in, after seeing what the first neighbor and I did with the place,and even add Asian-themed design features simillar to ours. Contact is made, and everyone is friendly. Then some folks who's house has been in the area for a while suddenly show up one night, and have a little party, outside, on their lawn. I figure it's some sort of event, there haven't been this many people total in the region over the last few months, let alone all at the same time. I check just before stepping onto their lawn that it's set to public access, nothing to indicate that it's private. But to get there, you need to fly over a land that IS private, unrealted to these folks, so instead of just strolling over you have no choice but to descend from the sky. Before I can even say hello, WAMMM! The ban hammer comes down, with no talking whatsoever. WTF, did I walk in on a drug deal or something? Then looking around at some underwater abandoned land, it's a steal, but just want to see what the surrounding area is like. A nice home next to it, very big, open area on the patio with a bunch of Thanksgiving stuff...No one is around, I walk over a bit to see what kind of place it is...and suddenly the owner appears out of nowhere, asks what I'm doing there, and when I explain, after just one sentence to him, WAMMM! Now with him ,we did talk a bit about it afterwards so it's all good. Still, I maintain that if folks don't want others showing up, why on earth do they set their access to public? See my original post. And lol, yes, it WAS called a rant...and I DO feel better. Love the pic! :womanvery-happy: I't's not like I was making a pest of myself, sticking around for half an hour farting every thirty seconds or screaming for payouts (any other former players of The Sims Online remeber stuff like that?) We're talking five seconds on the first example, maybe a minute on the second one. At the very least, put up a fence or something lol Freaking out like there's suddenly a terrorist on your land is a bit of an over-reaction, is all I'm sayin'...

Try the marketplace. Don't just search on Asian. Try Chinese, for example. There's a really nice looking ad for a skin that looks based on Gong Li, so try a few celebrity names.

Introducing: Rabid's Rant! Tonight's episode concerns how to set your land's access level to prevent unwanted guests (as opposed to leaving it public and then throwing a hissy fit if someone dares to walk on your precious pixels). If you have created an interesting place, perhaps with an interesting geography, interesting buildings, interesting objects...does it not stand to reason that the casual passerby might ALSO find it interesting? Perhaps they think maybe you are selling something, or the event you are holding is open to all, or you're actually one of the normal folks who doesn't throw a fit over having to interact with others in a Massively Muliplayer ONLINE Game? Now, why on earth would they think that? Isn't it obvious that your land is your own private little F**nest for you and your furry-mermaid hybrid vampire Japanese schoolgirl loveslave? Well...NO! It's NOT so obvious. And that's the point of this post. If you fail to set your land access as private, and additionaly do nothing with your land description to indicate that you don't want visitors, then YES, Virgina, by definition you are saying it's ok for folks to wander onto your lot and check out your cool stuff. If you don't take their presence as a compliment to your leet building skillz, then it is your responsibility to make it clear to folks AHEAD OF TIME that you'd prefer not to have visitors. The solution is simple: Click on your land, click on About Land, click on Acess, uncheck Allow Public Access, set access to group and/or create a list of Allowed Residents, and PRESTO! No more awkward moments of screaming "Yew kids get offa my lawn!" while hiking up your pants and pressing the Banned For Life button. Don't like looking at ugly ban lines? Fine. No one likes that in their viewere when they are going to take pictures. So tell me, do you have your viewer set to always show property lines and owners, or do you toggle these on and off as the need warrants? You can't do that for ban lines, too? Really, folks will not be able to go to your land regardless of whether or not they can see ban lines or not. You've done your part, it's now up to them to figure out why they keep bumping up against the borders of your land with a loud thunking sound. Another key thing to do is to make sure your description clearly indicates that your land is private. If you leave it with the original description from when you bought it, then of course folks are going to show up looking to buy your land. Here's an example of a description that fails to indicate that the land is private, follwed by an updated description to make it clear the land is off limits to outsiders: "Name: Cheetah's Delight Description: Located at the edge of the world on Second Life's eastern-most mainland continent, this is the perfect place to watch the sun and moon rise from the murky depths of the Endless Ocean." "Name: Cheetah's Delight -- Private Property Description: My OTHER lands are public; This is my PRIVATE HOME for friends ONLY. Located at the edge of the world on Second Life's eastern-most mainland continent, this is the perfect place to watch the sun and moon rise from the murky depths of the Endless Ocean." Now, I know that there will be folks who will say yeah but would you REALLY just walk into someone's home in real life... No. Of course not. SO LONG AS YOU KNEW IT WAS THEIR HOME. That's the key thing. I don't think it's a good analogy to imagine unwelcome guests walking in to various suburban households and sitting down for dinner. Well, unless you are an Occupy Suburbia nut case. A BETTER anaolgy would be a downtown area, because let's face it: At least on The Mainland, you have no idea if a given plot of land is a store, a home, or whatever. So, if someone lived downtown, in the heart of a commerical area, lots of little shops, some of the shops even have a room in the back to sleep in (and yes, in real life, I really do have a friend who owns a shop that is also her apartment), and there is nothing to indicate that it's a private home, such as, oh, I dunno...putting up a sign, or LOCKING THE F***ING DOOR...then YEAH -- people ARE going to walk in, thinking you sell Pokemon cards or whatever. So please, people: Use the same common sense here in the game that you would in real life. And above all, realize that for every experienced player that you tick off enough to type up a post such as this, you've probably ticked off a dozen or so potential new players that have said "F*** this! I'm gonna go play WoW..."

Senobia Xenga wrote: ETA: If you have to ask what I meant in my OP, you probably don't fall under the heading "simple country folks". Well spoken! :womanvery-happy: Some of us city-folk still know how to be down-to-earth. Though I agree: You really need to look hard to find like-minded folks, these days, in SL. Welcome, and keep trying lol I swear, one of these day's I'm gonna invent a Sneetches Machine, and mix up y'all's star-bellies so y'all have to start playing nice...

Something called "The Frog" (sorry, not able to bring up SL at the moment), an all-terrrain vehicle. Good price, handles well, and can drive on both land AND sail on the sea. Has an extra seat for a friend to join you.

blah blah blah blah No, I DON'T feel like reading the entire thread! :womanvery-happy: This is like going to a flea market and yelling at everyone for selling cheap goods. Or sending a Letter To The Editor (ask an elderly person about these old-tyme blogs they used to print on wafer-thin slivers of wood) complaining that Kmart is damaging business for Nieman Marcus. So what the heck would you suggest doing: Forcing merchants to charge a minimum price? As opposed to *GASP!* letting the market drive price the old-fashioned way? You know, Adam Smith, The Invisible Hand, Supply & Demand, and all that jive. I work a stone's throw away (and yes, it IS tempting to throw some stones) from the RL idiots who want price fixing, albeit the other way, via the elimination of corporations or whatever their pot-induced hipster-doofus demands are THIS week. The last thing I want is to have to deal with this warped worldview in my escape from the real world...

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What others said. Plus is you take back your tier donation, you don't have to pay tier any more. It will be up to the group to find another way to pay for the land. Still, you should contact them first. You don't want to find out that Govenor Linden takes the land because the group doesn't have enough tier, only to have the group owner reply a few days latter telling you they were out of town for the week, so now let me look at...um, what land?

blah blah blah jargon blah blah blah tech talk blah blah OK, in plain English: Can I buy stuff online or not? How? Do I still just click on the Shopping tab at www.secondlife.com? Can I sell stuff online or not? How? And what's a JIRA? Though from context it's clear it's some sort of an error report, but it would be nice if folks would spell this out and provide details now and then, especially if it's not just some dude in his underwear in front of his computer in his mother's basement posting on the forums, but rather an official press release from Linden Lab.

Lol in the game Streets of Sim City, if you drive off a country road you might see cows. And if you run them over, they blow up, and it rains steaks. That would make a great object to place on the roads here in SL right before one of those robot cars comes plugging along...