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Alicia Sautereau wrote: l$106655 per week ($400 * 257 (lindex cashout) +3.5% (lindex fee) + 257($1 paypal transfer fee) You will recieve my full attention, but i will charge an extra l$35 per failed joke, l$67 per bad joke and l$99 per successful joke Hi Alicia why do you charge l$35 for a failed joke? And is this with LindeXfee and Paypal fee or without? Do you charge this fee also for that joke?

I'm taken - it's a pity but true.

@amethyst: this means: even i would be your friend - i could not? This happens to each new friend now... btw

Hello there i can add an SL resident to my friendslist, and if accepted, it is listed there. But not on webprofile! So if i see the profile i can ask again for friendship. And if i do - the 'make friend' button still appears on the profile! And yesterday disappeared this friend from Friendslist in SL too! Whats happen? we didnt cut us from the list. Thank you for any idea how to fix this...

Suspiria Finucane wrote: Senator Wyden: Does the NSA collect any type of data, at all, on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans? Gen Clapper: No sir… not wittingly… ----------- In this correlation maybe is that an interesting thing: the 5 eyes... --- The United Kingdom – United States of America Agreement (UKUSA, /juːkuːˈsɑː/ ew-koo-SAH)[1][2] is a multilateral agreement for cooperation in signals intelligence among the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The alliance of intelligence operations is also known as Five Eyes. ------- Consider it like this: USA dont collect any Data from US Citicens - only from foreigners. Canada today said the same ... so from Canada's view US citicens are foreigners and vice-versa. But in the five - eyes ring the collected Data's come together - Now someone says seriously: We dont collect of US Citizens (But we have the DATA from the Candians LOL :PPPP) I think it is really necessairy to initiate that big discussion what Obama wish. What is the balance between security and liberty. I hope that the United States will find this balance.

Czari Zenovka wrote: Precisely why I don't use any of them. I'm taking steps to move away from Yahoo for email as, the last I heard, they are in league with the above, as well as the major phone company to which I currently subscribe. I may not be able to "beat the system" but I can stay out of danger zones. http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/alcatel-one-touch-fire/4505-6452_7-35619077.html https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/firefox-os-simulator/ http://www.ubuntu.com/phone

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance And whats about SL? With Co owner Ebay and Amazon? How privat is our Communication here?

Voltaure wrote: In the UK, at least, while you are encouraged to add a Debit or Credit card as a "secondary payment source," that's nothing to do with verification, and I can't imagine LL either know or care if you have done or not. In UK, Canada and USA you can verify PayPal with bank account I think. Although linking your paypal with bank account poses the same risks. In the rest of the world however PayPal still requires a card to verify. An most cards ussually don't work. This is part of why I am frustrated by that PayPal is available in 193 countries nonsesnse, while in reality it's only suited towards USA, UK and Canada. In the rest of the world, it ussually sucks as a payment provider for multitude of reasons. And LL might not care, but PayPal can be verified by various cards, some of them can get your account blocked later on, even if they aren't listed in their TOS as not allowed, so I would be careful with that. Europe u can verify with Bancaccount too ...

Myth 4. Most important. Second Life can be attached to PayPal without a credit card. While, de facto, it is true, please bear in mind that THE ONLY Linden Lab approved way of withdrawing Linden dollars or buying Linden dollars through Lindex through PayPal is by adding a VERIFIED Paypal account, which means it has to have your credit card attached to the PayPal account. Forum members have been posting "tutorials" here about other ways, but keep in mind they are merely workarounds and are NOT APPROVED by PayPal. Loopholes like that existed in PayPal for years, some of them, while they do work, are against the PayPal's TOS and CAN GET YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT FROZEN AND/OR SUSPENDED WITH THE FUNDS IN IT. PayPal has been known for suspending users, after finding out that they were using PayPal by unapproved methods, even when those methods weren't explicitily listed in their TOS. As a result thousands of honest, unaware people have lost their money to PayPal over the years. The multitude of PayPal hate sites are a testiment to that. So, just because a method works doesn't mean it won't get you banned from PayPal, just a warning. U can save PayPal as PIOF (Billing information without using Credit Card Information - the paypal Account have to be verified by Bancaccount for example and if u try to register as PIOF be charged with minimum 25 us$ Howto link PayPal as Billing Information WITHOUT Credit Card information EUROPE

If we read this article we can maybe understand the background of changing ToS and close TPE's as fast LL did.... Liberty Reserve closed (Reuters)

Freya Mokusei wrote: Wat. Do you have some kind of mental deficiency? No, a 'girl' is not a sex object. Print this information out and stick it to your forehead, or file under T for Totally Fuppin' Obvious. You're either a poor troll or a ridiculous example of humanity. Ok - it seems you are memeber of the Board of the mind control programm - so i ask you: If i think she is a sex subject - is this correct now? And if i remember what animations such a sex subject is able to use - is it allowed to think about that in a public area? No sex, no humanity, neither ridiculous ...

Here you can find a 'howto' to set PayPal as Billinginformation in Secondlifewithout to give Credit Card information (Charge minimum a amount of 25US$ on PayPal before u try to set as billinginformation) Then u can easy buy L$ for better conditions by Linden Lab - LindenLab charge a fee of 0.30 US$ for each transaction. For example 5/28/13: Virwox: 1000l$ PayPal 5,12$ Anshex.com: 1000l$ PayPal 4.79$ LL: 1000l$ Paypal 4.05$ + transactionfee 0.30 US$= 4.35US$ (better conditions now already with this amount ..) ---- Virwox: 2500l$ 11.99$ LL: 2500l$ 10.43 incl. fee)

'How To' to set Paypal as PIOF WITHOUT to need Credit Card Information - (charge minimum 25 US$)

Here a 'how to' to set Paypal without Credit Card Information as PIOF

if i see a girl and i know what animations are possible with her - is this a sex object or not? Is it allowed to think about that in a public area?

Now i have my PayPal account without veryfying by Credit Card as PIOF, accepted payment methode... I used the workaround from u r linked post above from Ashlene McMinnar. It works also from other countries then Netherlands. Thank you very much, Innula, for your help and to protect me from doing escort service LOL ... even i don't really doubt that there is a market for alpha m's to f

I know some ppl who tried from switzerland too with this workaround - it works. Maybe someone can find out what's the minimum charged amount for accepting PayPal as PIOF without asking a Credit Card information. Generally ask PayPal Credit Card information if the balance on payPal is less then the needed for the actual transaction.

Hello together! i 'v got it! I used this workaround (not from Dutch Country and not from a country who is in EU): Verifying the paypal account by linking it with my banc account. Setting default currency on US$ (maybe not necessairy) Charged 50 US$ (the dutch girl on the link say that it works with 30$, maybe even 25$ are enough). (u can change amount in other currencies inside PayPal) Secondlife accept PayPal as PIOF without asking a Credit Card information! see this workaround here from Ashlene McMinnar happy happy

I nnula Zenovka wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: By solved you mean you will be using the Lidex to cash out? Because you cant sell them on a TPE. yes - solved means only to buy lindens. That was my problem. I didnt open the petition - i only posted it. I will try now the Paypal Way next week then maybe cashout is also possibe. Credit Cards are not so important for many People here in Europe -of course i can't talk for all. But since short time we can buy a Prepayd Card with the MasterCard Symbol on it. U dont need to order it u only buy and load it and can suddenly use it . Maybe with this Card it would work too... The problem was only the time ... i tryed to buy lindens coz i had to pay the rent in 2 days and i could no more buy lindens - i was not prepared and not informed that this happens with the new ToS. Now i have more time, more space to find the way. I dont make business here in Sl -not yet, maybe later.

hey amethyst - the problem is solved and i have my solution. So all is okey- obivously regocognized the responibels the problem and worked hard on a asolution . I am happy for that. And btw - democracy u cant receive - u can only take it. And ... words like this to hear from a obivously proud citizen in the state with the first constitution on the globe .... made me thinking ... But i close the case now. Oberon

Hi Innula - thank you for doing this solution! it seems that the thing is developping along logical rails. I am happy for this solution. The problem simply was to get Lindens soon and without troubles - many people i know here in europe had a 'big' problem. People who is to shy to say it in public forums. Rent is to pay weekly and if u have to get a Credit Card u cant do this so fast. So were the sights heared and all the prays And i will try this PayPal workaround thank you for all Innnula you are great. :heart:

Innula Zenovka wrote: :heart:

Hi Trinty - see, what i like at your posts is, that you really try to help ... it seems that the point will be to set the primary currency in US Dollar and to charge minimum 25 - 30 of it. I will try this - remember at our first discussion about that, we were talking only about the 25$ to charge. Because the credit card window apears always if the charge of paypal is too less for finishing the payment of a buy. It will be funny this Free Trade Agreement between EU and USA ... maybe this new Laws are related to some international adjustings of Laws ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU%E2%80%93US_Free_Trade_Agreement Hello there 'waves' - over the pond ...

Innula Zenovka wrote: What LL want is a Verified PayPal account. The Knowledge Base article is misleading -- it tries to be helpful but it gives the misleading impression that you must have a credit or debit card to verify your paypal account. What I suggest is that you contact German PayPal and ask them for their advice on how to go about setting up and verifying your account with them. I see the English PayPal site explains, Verification increases the security of the PayPal network. Verified members have successfully completed PayPal's verification system to establish their identity with us. The verification process varies by country or region. For example, in the US, a Verified member has confirmed a bank account with PayPal . In Germany, a Verified member has completed a bank transfer or the Expanded Use process. In most countries and regions where PayPal is available, a verified member has added a credit card and completed the Expanded Use process I really think you should be talking to PayPal. LL want a verified PayPal account. How you verify it depends, as PayPal says, on what country you are in. I veryfied my PayPal account - i linked it with my banc account, they sent some cents two times and i confirmed it -

Drake1 Nightfire wrote:Afaik that is paypals rule not LL. I would assume any bank card with a CC logo on it would work. Mine has a MC logo.. works just fine, although i have never cashed out in 8 years. Mainly because i want to keep my L$ in SL. I earned it there and i spend it there. i m really going crazy in some beautyfull hour about all this stuff