Ilyra Chardin

Yes, I’m still on this topic because LL is facilitating harassment by allowing individuals to single out competitors or anyone who irritates them with a simple flag. I ran a search just now that showed only general audience products with the keyword search of bar (which yielded over 1900 pages of items,) and tavern (which yielded over 1300 pages of items.) Commerce Team, I urge you to find a way to make this fair and stop providing a platform for people to harass others. It should be ALL or NOTHING. *looks up and blows a stray hair out of her eyes before saying…* That’s my two cents (L$5)

Try this... Magic Box Cleanup In order to clear your Magic Box inventory items from your store's Unassociated Inventory, you must remove your Magic Boxes from the Second Life world and XStreet. Log into the Xstreet SL web site (https://www.xstreetsl.com/). Click Cancel on the pop-up box and log in using your Second Life credentials. Click on your user name on the top right. Click on My Marketplace Inventory in the Account Functions box. Check the lower left section called Registered Servers. If you have not yet taken your Magic Box back into your inventory, click the Location link to visit it inworld and take it. Then click the Remove link. Once you have completed step 5 with each of your Magic Boxes, go to the Second Life Marketplace. Click My Marketplace on the top right. Click Manage Listings on the left. Click Sync Marketplace with Magic Boxes on the upper right. Wait several minutes (this can take up to 15-30 minutes for Merchants will very large inventories) and refresh the page. All items from the removed Magic Box should no longer appear in your Unassociated inventory items.

Ciaran Laval wrote: It's not code either, it's what's viewable and for Second Life to work we need to view things, those viewable things can be intercepted. I think it's the "interception" that's the problem... everyone can look as long as they don't touch *winks* So how..without some form of code, do you think this interception occurs?

Perhaps "script" is an overly simplistic term? But this (SL) is a system / solution and it is sitting atop a database. Does the term "code" work better for you?

It would be a simple thing to detect a copy-botting script and prevent it from working. IF LL would put that code into their sim builds, there would be no need to police MP / in world stores, etc. It just wouldn't work. They'd save a lot of time / money on having to investigate every single IP infringement with a solution like this. So, how about it LL? My two cents (L$5)

What irritates me the most is the inconsistency.... You can still find alcohol, bar etc items listed as general. My saloon products were listed and sold as general for over a year. When SL did away with their teen grid - a dismal failure, they imposed this insanity on the bulk of the residents. Never mind that you can still find teens who adult certified back when you had to have some form of ID or the fact that now a teen can sign up and just check the box to see mature / adult sims and items. MY SL world is topsy-turvy, but i can console myself with the fact that my shoes no longer end up in my butt on TP. That's my two cents (L$5) I’m going back to building and hoping that when i rotate my next prim LL doesn't make the rotation 89.850

Ciaran Laval wrote: The maturity rating guidelines have long said cigarettes and alcohol are mature items. In the case of virtual alcohol I've always found it a tad silly as WoW has taverns galore and drinking festivals and that's rated 13+ but there you go. So does Disney World! I started a new thread without realizing that this one existed. I just had my saloon items delisted and had to make them all mature. They're on par with Disney Land's Frontier Land Saloons. But the thing that really gets me - LL has done nothing to prevent copy-botting, which they could easily do by putting in detection software into the SIMs core build. But heaven forfend anyone making a tavern or old west replica. Oh the horros! That's my two cents (L$5)

Like most of the merchants here in SL, I carefully choose the maturity rating of items that I place on MP for sale. So you can imagine my surprise when I received a notification that four of my products that have been selling for over a year were delisted for not being marked mature. The items in question were Old West saloon replica items. I treated them differently than the dockside bar items that I recently put in my shop (which are marked mature,) since the saloon items were period authentic and, I felt, of general maturity level. I'd like to point LL's attention to Walk Disney World's Frontier Land and the saloons that they have there. Would be a darn shame if LL ran Disney World and parents could not take their children there. I’m curious what others’ experiences are with the product delisting. Thoughts?

It's not just DD - MB is affected, too. I received MB notifications of sales today, but nothing from MP. I checked the transaction log on MP and they were there and shown as delivered. Someone posted on another thread about the instability of the code base and I agree wholeheartedly. It's not just MP, SL in-world, their website and forums are glitchy. Most times if I'm signed into the SL website, I don't have to sign in here, but sometimes and it's sporadic - it requires authentication. This happened today. The 180.05 rotation has popped back up and prim alignments - setting things by the numbers works most times. Most being the operative word since it is once again possible to have 2 prims with identical rotations and aligned by the numbers on the axis appear out of alignment. In world prims suddenly disappear from view and the only way to resolve that is with a relog. There are so many defects that the list appears endless. LL has a long standing history of continually introducing new features without ensuring the stability of base functionality. So why would MP / DD be any different? I'd suggest a moratorium on all new features and ask them to clean up their code, but we (the residents) have been asking them to do this for forever and a day to no avail. After a while, you just become numb. That's my two cents (L$5)

TatianaDokuchic Varriale wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the Usage Requirements field. The options are : None Unpacking Land Wearable Where None is the default and generates the "Use It Now" message. I am guessing that for things like furniture the correct option would be Land because even if it comes unpacked you still need a spot to rez the item and use it. The description generated is "Land Required This item requires that you have access to land in Second Life in order to unpack and use it." Is that how you interpret it? If so, the number of items that actually fall under the default "Use it now" are rather limited as they would have to be both unpacked and wearable. Exactly! It’s a bizarre demarcation and it applies only to wearable items because even if other items came in a folder, which they're not right now, you'd have to have land or a sandbox to rez and use them. Pssst...commerce team....included in the things that you make the most commission on are those annoying breedables, which...um...REQUIRE land even if they're sold via DD and come in a folder. It's a mad, mad masquerade, use-it-now world. “listen: there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go” - ee cummings

OK, this is a BIG pet peeve. They changed MP to advertise direct delivery and have put a "use it now - no need for land" - for each and every item that comes via DD: Use It NowThis item will be delivered directly to you or a friend in Second Life, unpacked and ready to use. No land or sandbox required. However, I've bought different products from different vendors that sell via DD and NOT a one of them sent a folder. I wouldn't care that I have ot unbox it, but what irritates me is that when I sell an item using the magic box, there is a disclaimer next to my item that says you have to have land to open this item. Not fair, is it? Balls her tiny fist and shakes it in the air, exclaiming, "I have MP Rage!" :-P

Sassy Romano wrote: Or how about not interfering with commerce and just provide the tools that permit effective advertising and promotion without someone at LL deciding what does and what doesn't qualify to be boosted? Logic? They don't need no stinking logic! :-P

Never underestimate LL's ability to fail in a major way. With the issues climbing and LESS functionality in DD than you have with magic boxes, the commerce team RUSHED to add this to MP listings: Unpacking Required This item requires you to find a place in Second Life (like a Sandbox) to unpack and use it. But hey, it's a mad, mad Masquerade world. :-P

Kampu Oyen wrote: >Or it could be the Quacking duck gets shot**Only uploaded images may be used in postings**://secondlife.i.lithium.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt=":smileywink:" title="Smiley Wink" /> Maybe some ducks shoot back. Maybe some ducks are just quacking up? Jus' sayin' Out of curiosity, were you a flat earther in a past life too?

Kampu Oyen wrote: >Since the esteemed CEO of LL very rarely reads or responds to anything The people to whom we should try more directly appeal are LL's legal department. If they understood how really close the whole company is to being legally dismantled, they would surely try to impress this point upon The Rod. No? In order for that to occur, you'd have to have some semblance of knowledge of the law. I've been reading your posts the past few days - the ones that contain the legal lawsuit sabre rattling. On what legal basis do you think you're going to sue them? 1 - There is contractual, legally binding consideration between a merchant and LL. The consideration is as follows: merchant builds products and is provided a vehicle from which to sell from and receive payment for said products. LL, as the vehicle provider, receives a percentage of each sale. That is consideration. 2 - If the vehicle - MP - is broken or unavailable, both parties suffer (LL doesn't get their percentages and the merchants don't get the sales) 3. When there have been errors, goods sold but payment to the merchant not rendered, LL has pushed those through to see that the merchant gets paid. (This I know from personal experience on two support tickets) Exactly how do you plan to make a case? There is NO conspiracy here. There is NO intention on the part of LL to sabotage MP, shut it down, or make people shop in-world only. Why would they? They make money on marketplace. *head desk* “Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it.”

Kampu Oyen wrote: > they would then tally the answers and do exactly the opposite. Imagine you've been told to somehow force merchants to stop using Xstreet anf go back to renting land in-world in order to conduct business, thus mitigating loss of land revenues due to loss in-world commerce to Xstreet. What would you do with any kind of merchant concensus? Why does this seem sooooooooooooooooooo familiar? *clears her throat* there is no master plan to drive commerce out of market place. What we are seeing is just a bad implementation - one of a long line of very badly executed implementations. Give them a few and it will eventual get better and more stable over time; time being the operative word. My two cents (L$5)

That was the answer that I received to my ticket: The Dev Team is working hard to resolve the issue. They are pushing through the orders that are stuck in the Being Delivered state every couple of days to keep them cleared out and the merchants credited while they work to fix the problem. So, now it's a wait and see.

And yet, LL is still taking cut (percentage) of every item sold. Am I the only one that thinks this is unfair?

I opened a support ticket. And, yes, the last time I opened a ticket they pushed the payment through.

This isn't direct delivery. I haven't switched over. Support fixed the other issue I had by pushing through the payment, but the problem is still there and it just happened again.

Drake1 Nightfire wrote: Why should i see male genitalia when i search for Steampunk Motorcycles? what does Steampunk have to do with a schlong? Was it steam powered? :-O It's a mix of things - lazy merchants, search code that might need some tweaking and a complete lack of governance. Of course, the commerce team does govern and police the category assignments, which usually results in a very confused new merchant trying to figure out what "not as advertised means” and trying to find a category that might fit. I'd suggest that the removal of a listing should come with an explanation and guidance, but that's wishful thinking. Besides, the Commerce team has better things to do - like fixing the tons of open JIRAs.

That might be a really cool idea IF they get the base MP functionality working. Right now, every time someone orders something from me and another vendor in the same order, the customer gets my item and I don’t get paid. There's a host of outstanding JIRAs. Having this fixed and working looked a lot more promising when the commerce team fixed the slow performance, but there hasn’t been much improvement since then.

No payment when customers buy multiple items across stores MP works great if the buyer ONLY shops in your store. As soon as they order an item from another store - whether magic box or direct delivery - you don't get paid. In the comments section to the right of the last report I had to submit - it said there is a JIRA now. Anyone know how to find out what the JIRA is? Cause it's happened again and...um... *balls her tiny fists and shouts,* "I have MP Rage!" lol Seriously, LL,.this how you plan to finance your DD fiasco?

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but i have to ask this. Yesterday I started a thread an then after posting it, realized that it really wasn't an issue. I went back, saw an option to delete and I deleted it. I don't know what would have happened if anyone had replied but I think you have the option to delete a thread that you create. Could you have done that by accident? I'm only asking because when a moderator removes a thread, it's stated on the board.

I went back and read that old thread. The issue was that starting a sentence with the word "Some," triggered an adult listing. http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/I-go-crazy-why-is-my-aquarium-marked-quot-adult-quot/td-p/1395637 It doesn't appear that there is any real logic to this and, even if there are clear business rules, it's not clear how the code applies them. Never underestimate the ability to take a simple process and make it extraordinarily complex. See Rube Goldberg.