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Odd menu behavior only the highest values in the ANGLE_MENU list return anything "+15", "-15" list ANGLE_MENU = [ "+1.0", "+5.0", "+10.0", "+15.0", "-1.0", "-5.0", "-10.0", "-15.0"]; list ANGLE_VALUE = [ <0.0, 1.0, 0.0>, <0.0, 5.0, 0.0>, <0.0, 10.0, 0.0>, <0.0, 15.0, 0.0>, <0.0, -1.0, 0.0>, <0.0, -5.0, 0.0>, <0.0, -10.0, 0.0>, <0.0, -15.0, 0.0>]; else if("Ramp angle"==msg) { buttons+=ANGLE_MENU; g_choice= "Ramp angle"; } else if(~llListFindList(ANGLE_MENU,[msg])) { if(g_choice=="Ramp angle") { msg_index = llListFindList(ANGLE_MENU,(list)msg); rotation rot = llList2Rot(llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(2,[PRIM_ROT_LOCAL]),0); vector input = llList2Vector(ANGLE_VALUE,msg_index); rotation newRot = llEuler2Rot(input*DEG_TO_RAD); llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast(2,[PRIM_ROT_LOCAL,newRot*rot]); } }if I change the list to ANGLE_MENU "+1.0", "+5.0", "+15.0", "+15.0", "-1.0", "-5.0", "-15.0", "-15.0"]; The returned value is <0.0, 10.0, 0.0> for both "+15", "+15" values, so it looks like it's only reading the first highest values from the + and - groups in the ANGLE_MENU list. Other then the addition of this one line in the script the menu structure is identical to other parts of the menu that are working correctly, is there some reason this function would filter a list? rotation newRot = llEuler2Rot(input*DEG_TO_RAD);

Thanks, that looks very interesting, I need to learn more about rotation in general, and that looks like a good example, it's nice to see the thought process behind it to.

That helped just what I needed to sort out my mess, and thanks for the link for the posting tool too

I'm trying to get a child prim to adjust it's rotation by + or - <0.0, 10.0, 0.0> each time the menu button is touched, but it's just setting the Rot to <0.0, 10.0, 0.0> and not incrementing it. It looks like I'm losing the value of the original Rot while to trying to add it to the input value. I'm stuck on this on hoping some one could point me in the right direction. And one more question, I see people posting script to the forums in color, whch is much easer to read, how is that done? else if(g_choice=="Ramp angle") { integer msg_index = llListFindList(LENGTH_MENU,(list)msg); list params = llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(2,[ PRIM_ROT_LOCAL ]); vector rampAngle = llList2Vector(params, 0); vector startAngle = rampAngle * DEG_TO_RAD; vector newAngle = llList2Vector(ANGLE_VALUE,msg_index); vector input = (startAngle + newAngle) * DEG_TO_RAD; rotation rot = llEuler2Rot(input); llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast(2,[PRIM_ROT_LOCAL, rot]); llOwnerSay("\n" + "params =" + (string) params + "\n" + "rampAngle =" + (string) rampAngle + "\n" + "startAngle =" + (string) startAngle + "\n" + "newAngle =" + (string) newAngle + "\n" + "input =" + (string) input + "\n" + "rot =" + (string) rot + "\n"); /* ANGLE_VALUE,msg_index = <0.0, -10.0, 0.0> values returend from LLOwnerSay() params =<0.000000, 0.996195, 0.000000, 0.087155> rampAngle =<0.00000, 0.00000, 0.00000> startAngle =<0.00000, 0.00000, 0.00000> newAngle =<0.00000, -10.00000, 0.00000> input =<0.00000, -0.17453, 0.00000> rot =<0.00000, -0.08716, 0.00000, 0.99619> */ }

Just make a vendor that opens a links to the items marketplace listing. I did a short test with it on a few items where the customer would benefit from being able to read the full marketplace description. I got a few sales from it, about what I would normal get, but really to short of a test to tell.

Flea Yatsenko wrote: I pretty much doubled my income when switching to DD, but when I say that in this forum I usually get branded "an agent of Linden Lab". Last month things slowed down a little, probably because of summer. SL still has some issues I think and my sales have been following a sawtooth pattern for a while, where they ramp up and once they start getting really good, they fall through and then the grid goes ugly. Yesterday, sales were great, and today, there's a lot of problems going on. Taking time to post to the forums is proof that your not an agent of Linden Lab.

Jacki Silverfall wrote: Whats the difference between looking at a photo of a item on MP or one on a vendor? Which is where most products are, on a box, a vendor. Seriously. Jacki I agree with your point, but there is a big difference, on the market place its not just one image there can be up to 8 and on the marketplace you can get a full description, send it as a gift, get a demo, see related items, and save it to your favorites list. This is exactly why I don't maintain a cheap shop inworld on a 512sqm lot, with just simple boxes to sell out of. Inworld I just don't like the time, expense, and lag of using a more advance vendor system. Does shopping in a big box with just flat images on the wall really make SL a better place. Which is why I all ways build my shops to be an interesting experience even if there was nothing in it to buy, but that takes a lot more space then I can afford with low inworld sales.

I when all DD on the first day, I've only had 3 small problems, 2 were mistakes I made setting it up. All thou I'm happy with it, other merchants are still having some MAJOR problems that need to be fixed, an unstable market place isn't good for anyone even if your one of the lucky ones.

Did they ever? I don't remember time when SL was fixed, just that some days are less bad then others. Linden Labs is working on new products not related to SL, and with the lack of communication from them, It sure looks like SL it not important to them any more. To me the really question is why do I even care any more, it's clear the LL is never likely to change their ways. Any one got some good news about SL?

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: Well, I'm certainly not a newbie and I agree with most everything you said. I do not shop Market Place......the reason being is that I'm more or less a purist I suppose. This a 3D virtual world that you sell items or products to use in that 3D virtual world yet a Market Place seller is selling goods for the world from outside the world.....that, to me defeats the entire idea behind Second Life as a virtual world built in 3D. I think I know the reason for most Market Place only sellers......it's cheaper. They don't have to own or rent land in SL to have a business. Well, my answer is simple.........you won't get a sale to me without an in-world store/shop/presence. Market Place is one big reason SL has become the mundane world for many of us old timers. The "magic" is being thrown away by creators and marketers not being in-world for their business. If you are a Market Place only seller, and you go bust I won't shed a tear......nor will I be sympathic when your Magic Box screws up your deliveries. Go open a place in-world. It's comments like this that make me want to leave SL.

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: "... Until things change in SL I will not have an inworld store again, but that dose not stop me from providing great customer service and making quality products." ------------------------------------------ And it won't change as long as Market Place is the "store" of choice for both the customer and the store owner. That is going to make SL even more barren that it is now.........only clubs and houses (all empty because everyone is shopping at Market Place. A downhill spiral that will excellerate as time goes on. Shopping used to be a very popular pass time in SL...it isn't anymore because all the shops are no longer in world. You're traffic is down in world because you have a shop on Market Place....but you must if you want to sell stuff because "everyone" has a shop on Market Place. Well, here's one gal who'll never purchase a thing from your Market Place shop.........I don't shop for virtual world stuff outside the virtual world I'm in. I din't chose to close my inworld shops down, I'm unemployed in RL and counden't afford to pay RL $ to keep them open. My inworld traffic wasen't down because I have a store on the maketplace it was down because more people chose to use the marketplace then shop in world, largely because LL sticks a link to the maketplace every where they can, and has left inworld search borken for years. Ranking for inworld clasified adds is a joke, the single most importaint factor isent how much you pay, isent keywords, isent title of the add or the name of your shop or the land its on, it's not traffic, it's not if your items are listed in search, the single most importaint factor is the avatars name. I'm not arguing with you about where you shop, I'm just trying to point out that the actions and inactions of LL has made it really hard to for some merchants to keep their inworld stores.

I've closed down all my inworld shops, if I had a choice I'd only have an inworld shop and leave the market place, but with 80% of my sales coming from the market place, my inworld shops were loosing $L even my main store which had top inworld search placement for classified and the everything category. The traffic from the inworld classified was around 2 to 4 people per week. I used several inworld marketing groups and participated in many hunts, but still 80% sales from the marketplace, 4 years ago it was the other way around 80% of my slaes were inworld. Beside low inworld sales , many merchants have closed down inworld shops due to Linden Labs poor treatment of merchants, the lack of decent sales reports for inworld sales, and broken inworld search. Until things change in SL I will not have an inworld store again, but that dose not stop me from providing great customer service and making quality products.

All good points. The loss of diversity of things like education, and the presents of business like IBM for me really take away from the over all appeal of SL, It was things like that that made it feel that you could do anything in SL. The idea of it just being a social gaming platform with a marketplace is not very appealing at all to me. To me one of LL biggest problems is that they tend to focuse all their effort in one directions, when they should be trying to create a more diverse world, it's all the little pieces that add up to make SL what it is.

Dartagan Shepherd wrote: Glamor masquerade? I generally tend to think of masqueade in mostly full dress. While SL is not a prudish place, you used to be more mindful of work safe shopping. If that's no longer the case and you don't care that your promo image isn't appropriate for many people shopping from work, carry on. I personally don't mind the image, I'll take two of the real thing any day. But you did also let in teens. And while they're not prudes either, unless it's a kink based event this doesn't say masquerade to them either. It says period erotica. Is that what you meant? If your worried about the Masquerade promotion image at work then it's hard to believe you have even seen the marketplace, even with adult content filtered out, the Masquerade image is tame compared to what you might expose your boss or co workers to. If shopping from work is so important for many people then the top priorities to fix on the market place should be to make sure adds are work place friendly and speed up the shopping process so people can get back to work faster. Why does this have to suggest only period erotica, May be SL is in decline because people are depending too much on LL to tell them what to do. If the next promotion was Lemmings I would hope that every one wouldn't think they had to jump off a cliff.

Drake1 Nightfire wrote: and the keyword spam begins. What does: A straight jacket, 12 skins, Xmas promo outfits, Living room furniture, any scripted weapon and a scarecrow have to do with the theme of Masquerade? Technically it category spam, most of the spam on the first page dose not have Masquerade as a key word. Not that, that makes it any better.

Second life is not like a video game you can't load it all on to one computer, it takes several thousand servers to host it all in real time.

16 wrote: the bots are coming back bc linden are pimping sims with traffic counts on the viewer 3 startup page: What's Hot Now seems some sim owners are managing their bots so that their venues stay on the 25 avatar limit. which seems to be the cut off to get on the Whats Hot Now listings not all sim owners are doing this of course, many are on there legitmately. but when a venue consistently shows on the list day in day out hour after hour with a traffic count of 20-25 then yeah That explains a lot why bots are being used again for traffic, this time because of the "what's hot page" To me this is worse for SL then the old bot farms hidden at a mall, at least you could still shop there. The old bot farms were an unfair business practice that get removed as it should have. But the new bots at clubs to me is bad for SL over all. One of the first things new residents do in SL is look for some thing to do, and when they end up at a club with 20 bots standing around not even dancing and not responding to the new resident trying to talk to them who has no idea what a bot even is, isn't likely to stay around in SL for to long. An empty club with an easy to see event calendar so people know when to come back is much more welcoming to a new resident then a room full of life less bots. I'm a strong supporter of the many good uses of bots, but this new club issue is bad news.

Marigold Devin wrote: I don't hesitate when I see bots inflating numbers in venues, especially if it's getting them up to the top of the search lists under false pretences. Submit an AR. So how do you tell the difference between a bot and a registered scripted agent, if some one is using a registered scripted agent and it's effecting search placement then you need to file a jira not an AR. How to tell the difference is a good question, I just visited a very advance greeter bot/scripted agent that I know of and other then it's profile stating it's a bot there's no way to tell if it's registered. I even just tried changing my scripted agent status for a few minutes to see if any thing in my profile showed it, and could find nothing. So it may be hard or imposable on an individual avatar basis to spot a registered scripted agent, but bot farms are easy to spot.

Pamela Galli wrote: Um yes that appears to be a new fu -- corruption of data. Have not checked my store yet. Corruption Of Data = COD Cod is a fish Status report = The market place is smelling fishy again.

Kampu Oyen wrote: Comedy gold. If you want to know what's going to be corrupted next, it's mostly just a matter of looking at a list of things that haven't been corrupted yet. So, really, that should be pretty easy at this point. I like your theory, but I suspect that the list all so has corrupted data in it. The one thing we can count on is where the corruption comes from.

Spica Inventor wrote: Oh god! That's horrible. But it might help alot with most items anyway. I'm hoping. ;-) I'd be more willing to support a shorts key word list if search is working correctly, I use to have much shorter list but found that certain word combinations wouldn't show in search unless I combined them in my key word list for example: steampunk, Victorian, house, steampunk house, Victorian house, steampunk Victorian house, This was reported fixed a while back but I tested it a few months ago and it was broke again so I've kept the extra key words just in case. It may be fixed again but I haven't checked. I think the shorter list is a good idea for a quick fix that would reduce some spamming, but I really think the whole keyword system need to be fixed form the listing guide lines, search engine, to the flagging process.

"keywords" content="Apocalyptic, Post Apocalypse, Sci-Fi, Fallout, Retro, Cyberpunk, MadMax, Role Play, Pirate, Dark Fantasy, Rusty Vehicles, Junks, Unisex, Joke Items, Wasteland, Steampunk, Urban, Military,"/> That's the keyword list for a bikini currently on the marketplace, it doesn't mater how few key words you limit an item to, if they are all spam, and LL thinks that the keywords above describe a bikini.

Normally I would be looking at this question from a merchants point of view, but on Monday I start my first full time RL job in over a year and a half. It's a huge relief knowing I no longer have to depend on SL for tying to make a tiny income to try to feed my self. The other nice thing about a full time RL job is that I will only be working 40 to 50 hours a week and actually have days off. So at this point I'm burned out on SL and dealing with all the marketplace issues. What I'd like to see for a road map is LL's plan for making the marketplace some thing they would actual be willing to advertise to attract and keep content creators. Even if I just want to keep running my store for fun, the current selling points for doing so are not to compelling. Little or no communication. Horrible customer service. Unreliable service. Lack of basic business tools. Noeconomic or market info. No customizable store fronts. Get items flagged and removed with no explanation. Pay for listing enhancements, even when the market is down. Search... "but I still haven't found what I'm looking for"

Here's my favorite example of key word spamming, it's for a bikini with flowers on it. "keywords" content="Apocalyptic, Post Apocalypse, Sci-Fi, Fallout, Retro, Cyberpunk, MadMax, Role Play, Pirate, Dark Fantasy, Rusty Vehicles, Junks, Unisex, Joke Items, Wasteland, Steampunk, Urban, Military, Abuse of flagging is a problem, really keyword spamming is a problem, and how LL deals with the whole issue is a problem. To really address the issue LL needs to start with a clear definition with examples. Have a flagging system that allows comments from the Flagger and require they list the words it's being flagged for, this would both help LL review and help reduce flagging abuse. Last LL needs to deal with a flagged item in a way that gives a clear reason to the the person who's item is flagged.

Until LL cares about keyword spamming any promotion that relies on keywords, is going to get keyword spammed. Here's one of my favorite examples of keyword spamming, that LL seams to think it's fine. "Apocalyptic, Post Apocalypse, Sci-Fi, Fallout, Retro, Cyberpunk, MadMax, Role Play, Pirate,Dark Fantasy, Rusty Vehicles, Junks, Unisex, Joke Items, Wasteland, Steampunk, Urban, Military," If you guessed that this was for a flower pattern bikini your right! I don't think it matters what idea some one has, as long as LL thinks the above keyword list describes a bikini there will all ways be problems with any promotion or search system.