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That organisation seems promising Molly I'm going to read more about it later Sleepy time here in the UK, I'll read replies in the morning 😴

You'd be suprised how long I spent searching and couldn't find anything! This page looks like quite a useful starting point, thank you ♥️

I want to support racial equality, reduce instances of racial prejudice and generally live in a more accepting, safe inclusive world for everybody. So I should support BLM right? Well, I don't think so. BLM is a registered organization that openly describe themselves as subscribing to many elements of Marxism. For example From BLM Official Website - What we Believe Supporting fundraisers for BLM also seem to subscribe to marxist ideology:- From UKBLM - GoFundMe I am not here to tell people if they should subscribe to Marxist principles or not, but I think it is not unreasonable to want to seek out a more neutral platform to support ending racial injustice. I am looking for alternative charities to support that are more politically neutral. Can anyone help me on my quest?

I think it is fair to say that there are a fair few of us who would like to support and push forward equal opportunities for black people, and reducing issues caused by racial prejudice but are equally concerned that their money does not go towards the violent riots they've seen carried under the BLM banner (whether that is the true BLM or not I do not know), or want to support other things that BLM fundraisers have put forward such as 'dismantling capitalism' etc. It would be nice if we could compile a list of alternate charities that we can donate to, preferably long established ones that have an established track record of doing good. I think that would be a way to bring about positive change for those of us who remain skeptical of the responsibility of the organizers and the effectiveness of the movement.

The videos on that page are shocking. Just goes to show how some will take advantage of a movement to behave like thugs. Imagine being the female officer and finding your colleague on the floor being kicked and beaten by people like this. That's a memory that will stick with you for life.

This is a fair question. I think that the best approach to this is to simply talk about the statistics of how black people and other minorities might not have equal opportunities in life and how everyone, regardless of their race or color can help with that cause. I think that if we talk about it inclusively, then people will respond to it better in general. There was a point in another thread where Luna gave me an alternative way to help, that was simply to donate to help Black kids go to school, which I was receptive of. I'm also receptive of re-thinking budget around police and better social measures, and adequently holding to account those who act on racial prejudice. What I am and I think most other 'trolls' like me opposed to is the 'Black vs White' talk that lumps all the white people in as this oppressive force and all the black people in as these poor helpless individuals. I think there's far more nuance to this and it's unfair to tar everyone with the same brush.

Maybe you might be creating enemies between people who might otherwise discuss more respectful ways to talk about each other if you did not intervene?

I think it's pretty simple. Most people have self respect and work hard, and do not want to be told how easy they have it by people who have little to no idea what their life is like and just want to lump everyone together by the color of their skin. I respectfully disagree with this statement. People is a broad word that crosses all ethnicity, cultures, ideology. It is simply an acknowledgment of humanity. It's probably the most inclusive word one can use.

If you want support of 'white people', why not just call them 'people', like they would like to be called and how they identify themselves, rather than singling them out for their race/appearance/beliefs? I think this is a case of 'treat others how you would like to be treated'

The forum can be a bit addicting time flies too fast! Night time for me, good night everyone 😴

Further to the question on whether or not Black Lives Matter is an agenda. The official BLM website states Indicating that yes, this is a registered organization that does have it's own politics. In the organization's defense, nowhere on this page does it bring up capitalism. I had a browse through their blog however, and found this blog post:- This would seem to me to say they take a stance against consumerism (aka capitalism). But especially want to punish white business owners?

Then why does it have a gofundme with a listed set of agendas? I think it's fair to assess this statement as essentially "Support what I say, or else you are a racist, and you are not safe!". To repeat myself earlier, on 'silence is violence': I think whether intentionally or not, you may be proving my point to those who are silently sitting on the fence observing.

Yeah, I get that. I think most people who support the movement feel the same way. The reason I point it out is because usually the organizers of movements have their own politics that they shoehorn into their movement, using the clout and donations they receive to their own goals that don't necessarily line up with the goals of the people donating and supporting it, and I think it is worth pointing out. I find it telling that in a conversation with you where you virtue signal towards me about race and acceptance, you take it upon yourself to attempt to single me out for having a different appearance than others.

Ah, yes I forget that about America. To be clear despite the many labels that people like to put on me as they laugh at me for my views I'm not actually that much right leaning, and up until recently used to vote left *shock*. 100% the NHS here is amazing and I am very glad to live in a country where I do not need to start a gofundme page and engage in a popularity contest with others to get life saving surgery. I think in truth that the answer lies somewhere in the middle between capitalism and socialism., a little bit of both keeping each other in check. Unfortunately, because that's not taking a hard-left or far-right stance, it doesn't look good on a poster and the media doesn't like to talk about things like that because it doesn't make people fight

Well, the thread is about whether or not you support Black Lives Matter. And the Black Lives Matter page in the UK suggests dismantling capitalism, so I think it is relevant

Since people are so bored of hearing about statues and claim to otherwise not mind me being critical of this movement. I'll talk about some other stuff that bothers me. I took a visit to the UKBLM's gofundme page and read an interesting line that seems to push more motives than simply ensuring equal opportunity for black people. Dismantle capitalism?

You too are welcome to tune me out if you only wish to hear things that you agree with. Everyone is. I do not want to live in an echo chamber. I am aware that there are only a minority of vocal readers who agree with my sentiment, but I still wish to read and I still wish to express myself none the less.

This is a non-argument. It provides no reason why history should be destroyed. I think that you are attempting to come up with reasons to tell yourself why I must be a troll or a racist, because my views do not align with yours, and I do not respond to your appeals to emotion like the way you would like me to, instead taking most of what you say with a healthy dose of salt. It's fine. You don't have to provide an excuse, you can tune me out if you like you do not need to find yourself an excuse.

It is happening. That's why I am worrying about it.

I take no issue with moving statues to museums to be preserved, that is a reasonable civilized thing to do. It's all about respect for history. Could you imagine the uproar if a group of people decided one day, they're going to flatten the Pyramids of Egypt because they were made by oppressed slaves. Somebody came along and smashed up the pharaoh's. Threw old artifacts into a river etc. They'd be called hooligans and people would call for those people to be detained.

Knowledge of history is part of what helps humans survive and become more aware of their surroundings, their ancestors successes and mistakes. The way I read your statement, It's a bit like trying to tell me medicine isn't lives, it's just solids and liquids. Try caring more about people than medicine.

But we do have a tendency to put up statues for the researchers and scientists who put an end to issues such as plagues and diseases. I'm gonna go out on a whim and say I think that with not much digging you'll find that most of these people are complicated characters who do not have the same moral standards that exist today. If they're willing to go after statues of people who end the holocaust then they are willing to go after them all. And yes, I do think that statues are important parts of history, we build them and surround ourselves with them so that we don't forget and have a visual references to history that people can discover and choose to study. There's a reason most of the Chinese don't know about their own history.

I had a mess about with Alchemy, I experienced an increase in reported framerate, but notably also an increase in perceiveable framerate (in firestorm, sometimes the framerate is reported high, but there are noticable slow downs when looking with your eyes at what's happening in the scene) How different is the render engine code to firestorms? Maybe it would be worth maintaining a special build with that uses that engine, and just tuck it away from the main release builds so non-tinkerers don't complain it doesn't work?

Yes, I talk about punishment as it is usually something that comes with committing an act of violence. It's all in the language. When inaction gets called an act of violence, it has the (perhaps unintentional) implication that it can be punished as such. I think there are definitely people out there who would pick up on a rhetoric like this and use it for bad purposes. That is why I point it out. Re Luna. I appreciate that you recognize my concern. I will look and see what I can do.

A shameful action is not an illegal action. Being a coward, being selfish are not crimes. When you criminalize them, you create a very dangerous world. I'm not advocating acting in a selfish manner, what I'm saying is, there is a big difference between acting because you're a good person, and acting under threat of punishment. Good Samaritans should be just that.