Tempest Python Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 There is a company called ABC that claims they will have a betting system for horse races here on SL, anybody knows if this is sanctioned by the Linden Labs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesica Dragovar Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 doubt it, gambling is against the TOS not to say people wont find a way to do it anyway, (some friends of mine and I a couple years ago had a superbowl party with a 1L a piece wager on who won, but something penny ante like that I think LL will look away)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwalyphi Korpov Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 The resident who provided the previous content, if any, has replaced it with this generic statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Python Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 Maybe it wasn't´t the appropriate place, but a friend of mine is involved in that horse breeding for races with bets and I am fearful it might be a scam, as I wouldn't´t think Linden Labs would allow it as per what is stated in the TOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesica Dragovar Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Tempest Python wrote: Maybe it wasn't´t the appropriate place, but a friend of mine is involved in that horse breeding for races with bets and I am fearful it might be a scam, as I wouldn't´t think Linden Labs would allow it as per what is stated in the TOS breedables are not against TOS as to wheither it's a scam depends upon who you ask racing is neither a scam nor against TOS betting on the races are against TOS that said I have a (non-breedable type) horse I'd love to race but he's a big draft horse and is as nimble as a tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwalyphi Korpov Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 The resident who provided the previous content, if any, has replaced it with this generic statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake1 Nightfire Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Jesica Dragovar wrote: Tempest Python wrote: Maybe it wasn't´t the appropriate place, but a friend of mine is involved in that horse breeding for races with bets and I am fearful it might be a scam, as I wouldn't´t think Linden Labs would allow it as per what is stated in the TOS breedables are not against TOS as to wheither it's a scam depends upon who you ask racing is neither a scam nor against TOS betting on the races are against TOS that said I have a (non-breedable type) horse I'd love to race but he's a big draft horse and is as nimble as a tank Now I'm curious. I know the wagering policy prohibits betting on real life sporting events. I don't really understand horse racing in SL. Can you point out where in the TOS betting on virtual races is prohibited? here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwalyphi Korpov Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 The resident who provided the previous content, if any, has replaced it with this generic statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Betting on SL? Ok. I'll bet that it doesn't last the year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugsy Penguin Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Linden Lab isn't consistent with its enforcement of its gambling policy. I know for a fact there is at least one game that very clearly relies "on chance or random number generation to determine a winner" but it's allowed. Admittedly, I like to play this game so I hope that doesn't change. Regarding horse racing, I would think that if the horses were being ridden and controlled by avatars, then there's a case for that being considered a "skill contest" and you could bet on them. It would basically be just like auto or boat racing which I do believe exist but I don't know about wagering or prizes for winning. On the other hand, if it's just horses going around the track with no avatar control, then that's all about just random number generation and would be a TOS violation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Phil Deakins wrote: Betting on SL? Ok. I'll bet that it doesn't last the year out. i'll take that bet lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake1 Nightfire Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Jesica Dragovar wrote: Tempest Python wrote: Maybe it wasn't´t the appropriate place, but a friend of mine is involved in that horse breeding for races with bets and I am fearful it might be a scam, as I wouldn't´t think Linden Labs would allow it as per what is stated in the TOS breedables are not against TOS as to wheither it's a scam depends upon who you ask racing is neither a scam nor against TOS betting on the races are against TOS that said I have a (non-breedable type) horse I'd love to race but he's a big draft horse and is as nimble as a tank Now I'm curious. I know the wagering policy prohibits betting on real life sporting events. I don't really understand horse racing in SL. Can you point out where in the TOS betting on virtual races is prohibited? here You've pointed to the wagering policy which I am already aware of. I see no statement in that document stating that wagering on virtual horse races in second life are prohibited. There is a broad exemption for 'skill' contests. There is an exemption for 'fantasy sports' leagues. Perhaps you could point to the language you feel prohibits wagering on virtual horse races. ok.. "It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life® environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games: Rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner" we dont know how the horse races operate.. my thinking is it is random, just like in RL. therefore, VIOLATION!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigren Panthar Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I agree. I have also seen 'fruit machines,' for all intents and purposes, rows and rows of them in certain sims. I watched a few punters place bets, and these machines ...are...gambling. No ifs or buts. How do they get under the TOS gambling radar? Good question. However, let us not forget just how long Redzone was for sale in SL before LL got around to actually doing something about the clamour from disgruntled residents. Redzone would likely still be here if it was up to LL; it was banned simply because those pesky LL-wage-paying customers actually had the temerity to swell a Jira so that LL actually had to - gasp! - get inworld and do something. It would appear the TOS banning gambling is yet another LL debacle.....unless these 'fruit machine' designers know something - or someone - we don't? Perish the thought. :smileywink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 So I just discovered that this thread was moved here by a Mod. Who has a name! http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Forums-Feedback/Betting-on-SL/td-p/1461833 now what are the odds of this? As far as whether or not this is gambling under the TOS I've no idea. I have heard Gambling defined as "one person's gain is another person's loss." Sometimes you could apply this definition to SL in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Hollow Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I think the "skill" requires that it be the skill of the person doing the gaming. It would count if the only people betting on it were the ones doing the racing, but if you're just sitting back, watching, and betting money on it, that's no skill on the player's part and it's pure gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I'm not sure if it's been posted up already..but this is from the KB..hope it helps =) also sorry about the smiley's in the links..the links still work..it's just something the links did .not me hehehe Here is the Policy and link to it and it's FAQ's.. Linden Lab Official:Policy Regarding Wagering in Second Life Policy It is a violation of this policy to wager in games in the Second Life® environment operated on Linden Lab servers if such games: Rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner,OR Rely on the outcome of real-life organized sporting events, AND provide a payout in Linden Dollars (L$)OR Any real-world currency or thing of value. This includes (but is not limited to), for example, Casino Games such as: Baccarat Blackjack Craps Faro Keno Pachinko Pai Gow Poker Roulette Sic Bo Slot machines This policy also includes sports books or sports betting, including the placing of bets on actual sporting events against a book-maker or through a betting exchange. Linden Lab will actively enforce this policy. If we discover gambling activities that violate the policy, we will remove all related objects from the inworld environment, may suspend or terminate the accounts of residents involved without refund or payment, and may report any relevant details, including user information, to authorities and financial institutions. Here is the overview and link to it and it's FAQ's.. Linden Lab Official:Skill Game Compliance Overview Our policy on wagering has been structured to ensure that we are in compliance with regulatory and payment-processor guidelines. For this reason, any game is subject to this policy when it directly or indirectly collects or pays Linden dollars as a result of play. In certain limited circumstances, this policy also permits what is commonly known as games of skill. A game of skill is one which the player's skill is the predominant way to score in the game, and any chance elements of play do not materially affect the outcome or supersede the player's skill. If you discover of games you believe to be in violation of our wagering policy, you are encouraged to file an Abuse Report (AR) from the help menu. See also: Policy Regarding Wagering in Second Life Wagering Games FAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Ceka Cianci wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Betting on SL? Ok. I'll bet that it doesn't last the year out. i'll take that bet lol Lol that's the same way I read the topic title too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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