Libera Romano Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 OK, so I was having lag issues ever since I downloaded the new viewer (viewer 2 (3.1), I stayed up all night reading everything I could because the lag was so bad at my home, I couldn't get dressed or etc, etc. OK, so I used the Lag meter, statistics window, read everything I could... I even downloaded Firestorm (pretty cool actually)...problem didn't go away. I even called Comcast ( my internet provider) and upgraded my network with BLAST...Ok...still can't move. I even started thinking about buying a better graphics card,,blah blah blah. Then it hit me. I wonder what my Avatar Rendering cost is?9568 !!!!!! Can you believe it? that's almost 10,000 !!!! LOL.....So all those beauty marks, hairbases, expensive hair, expensive clothes, glamour... purses, sparkly eyes, freaking gorgeous shoes, all that fashion in Second Life I'm addicted to, and I can't GO ANYWHERE!!! cause my ARC (Avatar Rendering Cost) is off the chart! LOL LOL LOLAnyway...I thought it was funny.Lib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ahren Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 What is a typical ARC? I've never measured mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 Here's what Linden Labs has to say: "The scores are color coded. The center of the yellow band is a score of about 1,000. The numbers turn fully red at around 2,000 (2,048, to be precise). It's generally best to be considerate of others when putting together your avatar, and to do what you can to stay under a score of 2,000, especially in crowded areas." http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Arc. Hum..2000 is one neckace for me, 1000 or more for the new hair I just bought !!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marianne Little Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 ARC is not the worst, if that hair, jewelery and shoes is scripted with a script in each prim, then you really have a problem. Many designers has started to make efficent scripts that don't use so much memory, but you still find old scripts around. Linden lab said they would make limits to how many scripts an avatar, but who knows if they will do it. The fired the guys working on it, didn't they? So designers can continue to sell their overscripted stuff. If I were you, I would get a freebie that measure how many scripts you wear, and check how heavy scripted you are. One like this? It is more around. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Weight-Scale-Script-Counter/1835786 @Randall - In the "old days" ARC started on 1 for a totally naked avatar. I would guess an average ARC was 500. I tried to test myself, but don't remember what my average was. Now, I think some viewers start at 10 or 100? Only way to find out is to "detach all" and see what you end up with. You have to calculate the start cost in rendering. EDIT: I see it starts on 100 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuffinUnsane1488303563 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 My friend saw someone with over 100,000 in ARC. Really, if something is modify I just delete the resize scripts. Brings it way way down. As for average, it depends on what you're wearing. Usually, about 3,000 is what I see and doesn't cause many problems. Though, some anthro avatars are higher due to the number of prims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffy Vella Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Ooh that's scarey when you find your ARC creep up like that. I have an outfit thats got an ARC of 76,000, as I was experimenting at home, hiding in the sky so I wouldn't kill anyone with all the awesome. It involved attaching 256 flexible shiny prims to each of my attachment points, and I swear it was very unattractive. I think I had about 5 or so points to still go before I got that nasty taste of metal in my mouth and crashed very horribly. Some of us love our primmy attachments, and some ways to cut the ARC down on them is to un-flexi flexiprims, replace system shine with better textures when possible, and keep textures with alpha down to a minimum. So ARC-killers can include hair with lots of flexible alpha-textured prims, jewellery with lots of surfaces with shiny enabled ( I should go test glow as well to see what it does), and things with heaps of scripts (the scripts won't show up in your ARC reading, but they still make life laggier. I definately have more tp issues when wearing lots of old resize scripts, and these problems go away the minute I delete those scripts.) Edited to add that I could be confusing alpha textures with normal textures, just with a transparency setting done in the edit menu. I haven't done a scientific comparison. Maybe somebody knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffy Vella Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I see lots of "red ARC" avatars too...many in the 3000's, and they are fine in the general mix. However if I'm at a busy class and things lag, I mute anyone in the red, as that seems to help (anecdotal evidence, I know). Normally, I'm about 700 to 1200, and usually pale green ARC. Occasionally, this drifts up to red if I'm wafting about at home and don't care. We girls deserve a bit of ARCy luxury sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Vuissent Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I don't check mine often, but I know it's high. If I'm in a relatively uncrowded area, I don't worry about it too much. If I'm in a crowded area, or at a party, etc., I let it drift up. Personally, I find it infuriating when I'm in a very crowded area surrounded by people with ARC in the high thousands or tens of thousands - like the hair fair. It was so crowded you couldn't even move, I had taken off all my scripted attachments and most of my HUDS and wasn't wearing any prims at all, and I kept being lagged out by people in 100-prim evening gowns, mega bling shoes, with attached pets flying behind them, wearing dance HUD's (possibly playing animations, but it looked more like a dance HUD), etc. For goodness sakes, take that stuff off for five minutes! In normal situations, though, it doesn't much concern me. I have a few outfits put together with minimal prims, using just system layer bottoms and tops and no shoes, or unscripted shoes, for when I go into crowded areas. Otherwise, the only time I worry about it is if I'm experiencing mega lag and want to know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 Well, thanks for the info everyone. I will go through my outfits and remove stuff. But still, I can't even wear this stuff at home because it lags me so much. I'm sad because my whole SL experience is about shopping & dressing. (Old Barbie syndrome I guess! LOL). If I had the motivation, I'd be a blogger, but I don't want the commitment. LOL Lib BTW, I didn't know about "shiny" prims and bump mapping being an issue. Now I know why creators use textures that are shiney instead, etc. Always learing something here in SL...it never ceases to amaze me...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 OOO....I checked that out..That's awesome. THANKS, Marianne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 ***UPDATE*** I don't know why, but SL is speedy again. No lag. Might be the network upgrade I did, I don't know!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Randall Ahren wrote: What is a typical ARC? I've never measured mine. (From what I have observed while I have ARC reader on) I would say about 2000 to 3000 is typical if the person has decent hair and uses prims for clothes, shoes and jewelry. As most do. I think AO figures into it somehow, not sure. I've seen ARC of 10,000 at laggy hair and skin fairs, and those people should be eject/banned on sight until they agree to fix it. I know some argue that ARC doesn't impact lag but most people disagree. I try to go (ETA: to known lag spots such as skin/hair fairs) with an ARC under 10, which means, bald and with painted clothing. If it doesn't help it doesn't hurt either. More than you asked to know but just speaking to the topic while I'm at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ahren Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I enabled the ARC information display on Singularity and took a look at mine. It was about 560. I had prim boots, but not prim clothes, an AO and I think decent hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariel Vuissent Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I rarely see a woman under 6000, myself, but this may be the places I go, and the fact that they're rarely crowded so people feel like they can wear whatever. I do notice a significant increase in lag when I walk past people - the higher the ARC, the higher the lag, and the farther I walk from them, the less lag I have. Seems like it must correlate somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 I created an outfit that had an ARC of 1000 for shopping, etc. But most of my hairs are 4000-6000 alone! So, thank god for good hairbase tattoo from Amacci. Also, Mesh boots and clothing have very little impact on ARC (Thank god cause I love my LeLutka boots!) I also have an outfit for hair fairs, etc. that is a skin from Lemania long long ago! LOL It has such a low ARC that I can afford to put ice skates on and skate through the fairs! :matte-motes-oh-rly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 I found a Low Arc hair! LOL I love it! I found it at !SyDS! Hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marybeth Cooperstone Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I had never heard of ARC. So I checked mine - 16535. So I took off all my clothes. Naked I was 16353. So it was the hair (Sirena Trinity - I can change the style, but I usually leave it alone). Detaching the hair it drops to 1000. With clothes (all systems clothes that I made, including underwear, skirt, jacket, cami, bra, panties) it was 1200. I guess I should find some hair that is not so "ARCy"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 I think now a days with objects (especially hair!) being so primmy, I think it's almost impossible to keep the ARC down. Who wants to walk around bald ! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libera Romano Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 Update..with the new viewer the ARC (Avatar Rendering Cost) is now Draw Rate for Avatars (DRA ?) and Mesh objects DO count high! UGH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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