What would be too much of an "ick factor" ?

[Coffee Pancake]

The whole point of a "social casino" is to sidestep laws that prohibit gambling and actual casinos while engaging in every activity and practice that got actual casino's banned.

There is no other purpose.

 

[EliseAnne85]

2 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

The whole point of a "social casino" is to sidestep laws that prohibit gambling and actual casinos while engaging in every activity and practice that got actual casino's banned.

There is no other purpose.

 

Yes, and that's what makes it lame, that side-stepping.  

However, I cannot see my state legalizing online gambling, it would be far too costly in real jobs.  It's not only the jobs from the taxi drivers to the Casino owners and everyone in-between, it's all the small businesses that surround the Casinos.  The cost in jobs would be astronomical.  

As far as back on topic, what is too much of an "ick factor" for LL to get involved with as a business on SL.  The real "ick factors" of SL to me involves something I do not think LL would ever get involved with which is willful and deliberate child exploitation, and the other, physical abuse of children.  

Edited May 18, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

On 5/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, Ceka Cianci said:

I don't think LL is going to do anymore than G rated things..

Yeah I think you're right. There are underage users in SL. 

[Coffee Pancake]

2 hours ago, EliseAnne85 said:

The real "ick factors" of SL to me involves something I do not think LL would ever get involved with which is willful and deliberate child exploitation, and the other, physical abuse of children.  

So .. basically what you're saying is so long as LL don't start actually breaking specific child trafficking laws, there isn't a line for you.

That so far from the realm of possibility it might as well not exist.

7 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

Yeah I think you're right. There are underage users in SL. 

well you know .. aside from the Casino.

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

On 5/17/2023 at 11:22 AM, Coffee Pancake said:

This whole mess is an accident, LL made a space and suddenly the culturally homeless moved in. We are those who slip through the cracks, the lost, the broken, the furrys and the LGBTQs. we adopted this platform and built a whole world here and LL have been on a two decade quest for other "better" customers. 

Going off on a bit of a tangent here... I agree with you 100% but it's also made up of people who don't belong to any of those groups. I've been in sl for almost 19 years and have friends who are also not part of those groups and have also been part of building the world, and making content from as early as 2004.  But I'm happy that sl offers an online space for everybody.

And although I don't know many lindens anymore, my sense is that LL does not consider those groups as somehow "lesser" and are actively courting those communities in a lot of their advertising. While also trying to engage a "mainstream" or "mass" audience, which makes financial sense.

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

7 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

well you know .. aside from the Casino.

yeah that's questionable but hopefully an underage person doesn't have access to a credit card. 

[Silent Mistwalker]

21 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

yeah that's questionable but hopefully an underage person doesn't have access to a credit card. 

It's the responsibility of the parent(s) to see to it their child(ren) do not gain access to credit/debit card(s). 

[EliseAnne85]

19 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

So .. basically what you're saying is so long as LL don't start actually breaking specific child trafficking laws, there isn't a line for you.

That so far from the realm of possibility it might as well not exist.

Well, that's what I said, if LL willfully and deliberately got involved with child exploitation or physical child abuse, which I doubt LL would ever get involved with, that would too much for me.

As far as other icks between consenting adults, I already deal with it already mostly by avoidance and that each person involved in adult activity is an adult and needs to take care of themselves and they can shut the viewer down if something in SL is too much for them.  Not to mention there are loads of non-ick things they can go to and try.  Nothing is forced on them here.  

[Coffee Pancake]

15 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:

Well, that's what I said, if LL willfully and deliberately got involved with child exploitation or physical child abuse, which I doubt LL would ever get involved with, that would too much for me.

It's not even possible for them to get involved in that.

If LL start nuking the moon, I will stop giving them money.

[EliseAnne85]

3 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

It's not even possible for them to get involved in that.

How so?  Daddy Dom and Baby Gurl is included in the list of "things" in the OP as things that would or what not be too much "ick".

How old are these "baby gurrrrrrrrls", btw?  Child in California on the internet will soon (in about a year) be defined as all those under the age of 18.  

And, I'm talking portrayal of child exploitation or portrayal of physical child abuse which is sold on MP and inworld because the OP asked about SL.  Buut, not only is this crap sold but goes further than just a picture inworld.  We all know it's happening.  It's just not in areas I've ever seen.

Edited May 19, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[Ayashe Ninetails]

19 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:

How old are these "baby gurrrrrrrrls", btw? 

Probably like 45.

[EliseAnne85]

41 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Probably like 45.

On the other side of screen at the keyboard, possibly, but that's not the portrayal of the Daddy Dom's and Baby Girl's in SL on the screen. If the avi's were 45, there'd be no need to make and sell all this "stuff" for certain child-like portrayals.  

But, anyhow, I don't think LL would ever get involved with that *portrayal* aspect of SL.  

It's far too super ick for most people to even want to talk about.

Edited May 19, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[Coffee Pancake]

Roleplay and real life are not the same.

People running around calling each other daddy does not mean anyone is pretending to be a child. 

Daddy is a last name in SL. 

Imagining people getting up to terrible things does not mean it's happening. Getting upset about imaginary things is not healthy.

[EliseAnne85]

7 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Imagining people getting up to terrible things does not mean it's happening. Getting upset about imaginary things is not healthy.

Even though I don't run in those circles, it's happening.  Posters have even written about their experience with being "hit up" by these young looking avatars in Adult clubs.  I believe they were telling the truth.  There was one guy who even had a photo in their profile of the child-looking girl in the Adult club in the almost no-clothing see-thru type of almost no clothes on.  It's happening.  I saw the photo in his profile.  He reported it.  He was a nice guy. 

Edited May 19, 2023 by EliseAnne85

[Ayashe Ninetails]

22 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:

On the other side of keyboard, possibly, but that's not the portrayal of the Daddy Dom's and Baby Girl's in SL.  Otherwise, there'd be no need to make and sell all this "stuff" for certain portrayals.  

But, anyhow, I don't think LL would ever get involved with that *portrayal* aspect of SL.  

It's far too super ick for most people to even want to talk about.

I admit, I'm only half following the conversation in this thread as it's kind of all over the place, but yeah, I meant the avatar operator, since you mentioned California laws and minors on the Internet. SL skews quite a bit older, as does that general scene, from what I've gathered from hanging out in real fetish scenes both online and off.

Anyyyyhoooo, I agree with Coffee - zero chance LL gets involved in anything actually illegal.

[EliseAnne85]

32 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

, I meant the avatar operator, since you mentioned California laws and minors on the Internet.

I meant the portrayal of a child, meaning 18 or under, because that will be what the definition of child is on the internet in California beginning July 1, 2024.  So, any child portrayals, no way.

So, no baby girls under that age would be okay with me, think of this Epstein debacle which is, of course, way worse because it's real life.

As far as LL getting involved in anything as a business in SL of their own, that's what the OP is asking.  

If the avi's are over 18 or mature enough looking, it's consenting adults to me.  The other side is those who sneak on here who are underage.  That's much harder to figure out.  

It's also complicated that brothels are mostly illegal but they are sort of legal here.  I don't understand it all either.  The line blurs at times since this is a portrayal and not real life.

[Persephone Emerald]

Depictions of brothels in movies are legal. They would've been legal historically in some places and are currently legal in some counties in the state of Nevada.

What if SL were considered an artistic platform?  There's no actual sex here, unless maybe someone has a haptic device?

Still, I don't think LL wants to get into that business in SL. From what I hear it's not even that profitable anymore.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

7 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Depictions of brothels in movies are legal. They would've been legal historically in some places and are currently legal in some counties in the state of Nevada.

What if SL were considered an artistic platform?  There's no actual sex here, unless maybe someone has a haptic device?

Still, I don't think LL wants to get into that business in SL. From what I hear it's not even that profitable anymore.

Now you have me in hysterics thinking of all of the hilarious event names we'd get if they did run such a business. And no, I won't say them out loud, you can't make me. 🤣

[EliseAnne85]

10 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Depictions of brothels in movies are legal. They would've been legal historically in some places and are currently legal in some counties in the state of Nevada.

What if SL were considered an artistic platform?  There's no actual sex here, unless maybe someone has a haptic device?

Still, I don't think LL wants to get into that business in SL. From what I hear it's not even that profitable anymore.

Well, you asked in your OP and included brothels.

If LL got involved in adult things that include over 18 avatars as well as the real people at the keyboard such as a brothel, it wouldn't bother me.  

I doubt they'd be interested in it either, however.

Edited May 19, 2023 by EliseAnne85