Am I violating TOS?

[Saunter00]

I would like to put the sim that allowed a child avi on to solicit sex in my picks, along with the picture I took of the child avi and ask anyoone who agrees with me to report the sim - am I violating any TOS rules with that?

[Tex Monday]

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Saunter00 wrote:

I would like to put the sim that allowed a child avi on to solicit sex in my picks, along with the picture I took of the child avi and ask anyoone who agrees with me to report the sim - am I violating any TOS rules with that?

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 I don't know if it violates the TOS, but why would you even bother? You're just inviting people to go to that sim and solicit sex from the same child. Best bet is NOT to put it in there and keep reporting it to LL.

[RiiCassidy]

Exactly like stated above.. For example when creators tell the name of people who copybotted their products or give the links to their shop. Its only encouraging people to buy from them so why bother? The best way is to contact LL privately, that way no one even knows about this sim other than people who visited it. 

And it violates the law in real life and on any site you name it, even on sites made for perverts. Point is its all around against the law.

And I would get rid of the pictures you took. You don't want LL on your back for this.

[Saunter00]

How is taking a photo of an avatar on a public sim against the law - in SL or RL.  If I stand naked in the town square anyone may take a photo of me and post it on Youtube.  The avi was standing in a public place - it is a public sim - what part of TOS does that viotate?

[Ariel Vuissent]

I don't think so; but that would be a little silly, no offense intended. You've been given excellent advice in your other thread on steps to take.

1) Make sure the little girl is, in fact, a little girl and not just a small avatar. Or rather, make sure that the avatar is supposed to be a little girl.

2) Report the little girl to LL, including screenshots and chatlogs of her soliciting sex. You may also want to see if you can screenshot her profile, especially if she has images of herself as a little girl there, and/or if her profile mentions her "little girl" age.

3) Report the guard. If he's had you and others complain that the child avatar is soliciting sex, he should have ejected her. (ETA: In actuality, though, other posters here have a point. It's really not his job to eject people based on hearsay; he can if he wants, I suppose, but if you don't have proof, he could have heard the same comments from the supposed little girl that you have, and could think them completely innocent. I would, however, mention to the sim owner, if you contact him or her, that you spoke to the guard about the issue already. The sim owner can then decide how to handle that.)

4) Chat with the owner. Explain the situation, provide as much evidence as you can (without directly copying IM's, which is against the ToS; copying local is not, though), and if he fails to eject/ban her, report him, too. (ETA: Again, this is only if you have concrete proof to present to him, not just your own suppositions based on "borderline" comments from the supposed child avi.)

Child avatars are not against the ToS, but ageplay is. Child avatars may even be present on adult sims, as long as they are not in the vicinity of adult images, activities, or devices. If she is, in fact, deliberately playing a child avatar to solicit sex, LL will take action if all appropriate reports are correctly filed.

Putting her image in your profile is what NOT to do. By putting her image in your profile, you are essentially a free advertisement for her, which is exactly the opposite of what you want. Plus, you could be reported for having those images, and LL could think that you are involved and get you in trouble. Wiser to report the issue.

 

 

[Canoro Philipp]

many times the owner of the sim cant control how the users decide to appear or how they decide to behave, it would be unfair to the sim owner to pay for the behaviour of the visitors.

the fair thing to do is to abuse report the user that was participating in a sexual situation using a child avi.

note: Linden Lab allows child avatars to be in adult sims as long as they dont participate in sexual behaviour.

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_avatar

[Ariel Vuissent]

I strongly disagree. If the sim owner is made aware of a situation like this, he or she can and should ban the offending avatar. If no one tells the sim owner, then you're right; he or she shouldn't be held responsible for the behavior of an avatar on the sim. Once the owner knows, however, he or she can definitely be held responsible. That's what ban lists are for.

 

[Canoro Philipp]

i agree, we need to know the stance of the sim owner towards what happened, if it allows it, then the sim owner should be abuse reported too with anyone who approve of this happening. if it didnt know that such behaviour was happening in the sim, it must not be held accountable, specially if it makes available a set of rules that disallow it to the visitors by any means.

[Perrie Juran]

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Saunter00 wrote:

I would like to put the sim that allowed a child avi on to solicit sex in my picks, along with the picture I took of the child avi and ask anyoone who agrees with me to report the sim - am I violating any TOS rules with that?

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Do you understand the meaning of the word "hearsay"?

AR the child Ava who was soliciting.  Linden Lab has full access to chat logs.

Unless people have first hand knowledge anything they say would be hearsay so actually they would be wrong to report it.

There is really nothing here to report the SIM for.  Child Ava's are allowed on Adult SIMs.

 

Linden Lab knows that it is impossible for SIM owners to police everything on their SIMs.

 

[Perrie Juran]

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Ariel Vuissent wrote:

I don't think so; but that would be a little silly, no offense intended. You've been given excellent advice in your other thread on steps to take.

1) Make sure the little girl is, in fact, a little girl and not just a small avatar. Or rather, make sure that the avatar is supposed to be a little girl.

2) Report the little girl to LL, including screenshots and chatlogs of her soliciting sex. You may also want to see if you can screenshot her profile, especially if she has images of herself as a little girl there, and/or if her profile mentions her "little girl" age.

3) Report the guard. If he's had you and others complain that the child avatar is soliciting sex, he should have ejected her. Now he's an accomplice.

4) Chat with the owner. Explain the situation, provide as much evidence as you can (without directly copying IM's, which is against the ToS; copying local is not, though), and if he fails to eject/ban her, report him, too.

Child avatars are not against the ToS, but ageplay is. Child avatars may even be present on adult sims, as long as they are not in the vicinity of adult images, activities, or devices. If she is, in fact, deliberately playing a child avatar to solicit sex, LL will take action if all appropriate reports are correctly filed.

Putting her image in your profile is what NOT to do. By putting her image in your profile, you are essentially a free advertisement for her, which is exactly the opposite of what you want. Plus, you could be reported for having those images, and LL could think that you are involved and get you in trouble. Wiser to report the issue.

 

 

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First off, and I'm talking in general, let's speak clearly. Ageplay is NOT against the TOS.  SEXUAL Ageplay is. 

Secondly, AR the guard for what?  Unless he was a witness too or was encouraging the behaviour, what is there to AR them for?  There is no requirement that any of us play police person in SL.  There is nothing in the TOS that requires we AR anything. 

We don't know what the Guard actually knew beyond what the OP told them.  And the OP actually does not know what the Guard did.  And the Guard had no obligation to tell the OP.

I'd sure as hell want to make sure I had all my ducks in order before I AR'd someone for Sexual Ageplay.  How would you like to have your account put on hold for a month over a false allegation while LL investigated?

[Lucretia Brandenburg]

I'd think the soliciting would have to be pretty explicit. I used to work at a G rated sim and there was a child avatar, looked to be about a 7 yr old girl. She was approached by an adult male avatar who asked if he could take a walk with her and hold her hand. Another person who worked on the sim booted the man and acted as though he were a child molester, and seemed to think that he had, in fact, "saved" a child from being molested. That's neither here nor there other than to say that asking a child avatar to hold your hand and go for a walk doesn't constitute age play and that someone overreacted; unless it's explicit sexual conversation, it violates nothing other than the sensibilities of those who know it's thinly veiled sexual solicitation. "Want to spend time with me, Daddy? I willy wike woo" may be gross but it's not explicit or overtly sexual. You reported the age player, you can report the guard, you can report the sim owner if you make him or her aware and he or she chooses to do nothing. However, given that the guard said the avatar was "fine" I suspect that it was just skirting the line, or as age players tend to say "a youthful 18" or perhaps the language used in soliciting sex wasn't over the line, so to speak.  I've hosted events at an estate that does not allow child avatars and had people sputtering in IMs about "what is that little boy doing here?" and it's clearly not a little boy to any but those who are looking at height and build. As for age play groups listed in a profile? Once again, they'd have to be pretty explicit.  I just did a search, and the wording in the group descriptions is thinly veiled but it is veiled.

All that to say, ARing the avatar for age play, sending pics to LL (ARs are always better with screen shots) ... you've done your part. If you go around putting the sim in your profile as being one that allows age play (which is LL's determination when they follow up on an AR, not yours) that might be construed as harassment and then you'd be the one crossing a line.

[RiiCassidy]

But you are a adult. If you take a photo of your daughter who's maybe about 8 running around naked and post it with her private parts about you can get in trouble. I think this is only in the US and certain countrys, not sure. But it still counts as child pornagraphy. Because really, how stupid would it be to hand the cops a picture of a naked child ? You only need the screenshots like stated above of the converstations you had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_child_pornography

Im basically saying why do you need the photo's if you have chatlogs and screenshots, don't put yourself in the situation, its not your problem. If you ARed and gave LL a heads up why carry this out any longer. 

 

[Melita Magic]

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Saunter00 wrote:

I would like to put the sim that allowed a child avi on to solicit sex in my picks, along with the picture I took of the child avi and ask anyoone who agrees with me to report the sim - am I violating any TOS rules with that?

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If you had ARed it at the time you could've checked the little box that says "include screenshot." No, you can't attach a photo, but once you AR something like that, I would bet LL will check up on it.

If you had thought of it you might have added whether or not you took a photo you can send LL if asked later on. I wouldn't count on that but never know.

Do not put the place in your picks. It would seem as if you are actually promoting it. Or you could also be accused of promoting anti social behavior against that sim or person/people. You're not the LL police, our only 'duty' as SL citizens is to bring the attention of those who are, to something. Those people are LL.

TOS rules? Maybe what I just mentioned, and why risk it?

[Ceka Cianci]

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Saunter00 wrote:

I would like to put the sim that allowed a child avi on to solicit sex in my picks, along with the picture I took of the child avi and ask anyoone who agrees with me to report the sim - am I violating any TOS rules with that?

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i would say you are putting yourself at risk for getting into trouble for advertising that kind of content..

you are saying you will have the location of this sim in your picks..

as well as a picture of this child avatar that was soliciting sex..

then tell those that read your profile that you AR'd this person in the picture and this sim at this location because there is sexual age play going on there..

do you think there will be more positive action or negative action that would come from this kind of advertising?

 

because that's basically what it ends up being..advertising..

you may look at it as a negative advertising of this kind of content..

but it's still advertising that kind of content..no matter your intent..

it kind of falls under..there is no such thing as bad publicity..

it's still publicity..

 

places used to pay people to put their sims in their picks..