Persephone Emerald

Do you have any members that are premium & are not using their free 512 allowance (even for a linden home) ? If so they could deed 512 to the group and cover the difference until your co-owner gets his account back. You can also sell off his land from the group without having to add it to your own tier. Check that only the owner role has "Pay group lianilities & receive dividends" checked or any money that goes to the group from the land sale will be divided between everyone. If only the owner role has that ability all the money will be sent to your account the day after the sale. In the group that currently owns this parcel, we had about 6 co-owners, but only myself & the owner who is now suspended were paying tier out of our PayPal accounts, thoough others were giving him money in RL to pay their share. I don't think I can come up with enough tier from other people to cover his share, which was an 1/8 of a region. When I do sell off the portion of this land that I don't want to keep, the sale dividend will go to all owners, even though I paid for the land myself. I expect the other co-owners will refund me the money, though, even without me asking them to do so. Can I sell off group land while one of the owners is suspended, then?

The problem is even worse when you search on the word "Torture" with both Mature & Adult boxes unchecked. There are many, many items available to teens under this catagory. Below are just a few of them. (I didn't know if I should flag these because I think torture devices are considered Mature in SL, rather than Adult, another case of American culture being truely screwed up.) https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Blood-Driven-Impalement-Spike-Female-Scream-Boxed-tagGoth/1268971 https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/REPULSE-Bloody-Eye-Face-Tattoo/1561066 https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/TORTURE-EQUIPMENT-PACKAGE/1221442 https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/TT-TBite-Me/1748309

I'm a co-owner of group land that I bought for the group. I was paying half the tier & another co-owner was paying the other half. I recently found out his account has been suspended for not paying his tier.  The whole group is fine with me selling off half the land & keeping the rest for myself. What should I do first to clear up the mess with Linden Labs, though?  Should I put $40 into this other owners PayPal account, so his tier will be payed & his account will be reactivated? Should I up my tier to $75 & transfer the group land to a group I own myself?  I'll need to sell off half the land & then reduce my own tier to $40 after this is done. The land is in a very nice Mature region, next to a cliff with an unobstructed ocean view, so I want to keep the ocean-view part for myself.

As has been noted elsewhere in the forums, there is still much content that can be seen & bought on the Marketplace that should not be accessable to teens, but is. Below is one example, from doing a search on "naked" with neither the Adult nor the Mature box checked. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/BOXED-COLLECTION-FOR-SL-MARKET/1622028 I flagged this item as Adult content listed as General.

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@Brooke Linden - Why didn't you post this thread to the Second Life Blogs section, where all the official Linden anouncements go? Threads can get lost too easily in the Commerce Forums. Edit add: The teens can easily look in through the "candy store window" of borders now to buy Mature items. As others here have stated already, if they can buy it in-world, but not on the Marketplace, that's neither a fari nor a sensible policy.

I think most of the residents are glad you're enjoying the world & finding out why we love it so much too. I get anoyed with Linden Labs alot, but I've also interacted with a few nice & helpful Lindens. I really only complain because I love this virtual world & want it to be the best it can be.

No,. don't kill your alt. Just put it in cold storage. Because some day you might want an alt who doesn't have the last name of "Resident". Maybe I missed a post somewhere, but will all future accounts have the last name of "Resident" or is LL going to get some common sense back soon?

Since Linden Labs thinks eveyone having 42 groups might be too much for the servers to handle, why don't they just up it to 30 or 35 to begin with & see how that goes. With this annoucement, you're practically telling everyone to hog up with 42 groups now, because the total might be reduced later & only the hogs will be able to keep all their groups.

Linden Labs will squeeze money out of its residents & merchants any way it can. I'm not looking forward to the day when they strart selling billboard ads in SL itself.

First off I want to say I do not hate teens. I communicate with mature, intelligent teens & with immature, idiot adults quite often online. I've also seen a little of the teen grid when my niece was showing it to me, so I know there are some very clever content creators on the teen grid. My concern with having teens mixing with adults on the main grid is first for the legal safety of myself & my friends here, 2nd for the welfare of the teens joining us here, and 3rd for the future security of Linden Labs if someone starts a class action lawsuit against them. I wouldn't get sexually involved with a SL teen because I'm not having SL sex wtih anyone but my RL boyfriend. We don't do SL sex often, but when we're separated by over a hundred miles in RL, it allows us a level of intimacy we can't get over the phone. We have a SL home in a Moderate region, so we expect we can behave as adults would in a RL home. We can have nudity in our artwork. We can discuss adult topics. We don't want to worry about someone spying on us or listening in on our conversations. Now for the concerns of the teens: I've read that any teen age 16-17 with land or inventory (which would include content they're created) will have that land & inventory transfered to the main grid. The whole teen continent will become a General rated continent in the main world. So anyone will be able to own land, rent a shop or apartment, or drive there. Teens age 13-15 will either be limited to sanctioned regions or will have their accounts (including all their inventory) suspended until they turn 16. (If I found myself in that situation, I'd create a new account saying I'm 16. ) As a teen coming to the main grid, I think you can expect the adults here to treat you like any other adult unless you behave rudely. Don't look for trouble & you won't find it. Copybotting & content theft will probably be dealt with more swiftly here. Overall prices for things are probably higher, but there are also more free items available here. Even if you never set a virtual foot on a Moderate or Adult region, you will find more things to do on the main grid than were on the teen grid. Teen groups will also probably form to help teens connect with each other. I welcome the teens, but do so hesitantly & not with open arms.

This issue of legal liability with teens coming to the main grid is why I talked my friends who owned General land into selling it & moving to Moderate land. Now we have lovely Modrate land overlooking the sea. I think it will be amusing when some TV show like Dateline decides to show how Linden Labs exposes minors to all the perversions in SL. I can imagine the cartoon BDSM clubs, she-male furries, Gorian slave harems, Vampire & demon clubs, and child avis for sale. Do you think Linden Labs will like that kind of free advertisement?

I'd like to know how many parents in SL who have teens are happy to have them come into SL? I don't have kids myself, but I would be hesitant to have them in here unsupervised. I'm not worried about accidentally bedding one. I'm in a monogamous SL & RL relationship, so I'm not trolling for SL partners. But if someone does wish to play promiscuously in SL, why do so many people jump all over them for it? SL is for fantasy, which includes the fantasy to be safely promiscuous. Imo, LL is only bringing them onto the main grid because they'll spend more money here than they do on the teen grid. Pretty much the only other people who will be welcoming them with open arms are merchants and perverts who prefer teens. (And don't say we don't have them here, because there are plenty of kid avis that are not playing innocently.) My solution to the big can of worms LL is about to dump on us, is to set up one of the already existing continents as a PG one, along with the teen continent that will be migrating to the main grid. Then the rest of us can feel safe from ethical & legal problems on our Moderate & Adult regions.

@ Cinn Thanks. I didn't realize that. I gave you Best Answer for being actually helpful several times & for not being rude.

I'd like to get his thread out of the unanswered section too. But I'm not going to give 4 points for a rude, smart-ass remark . I didn't ask if sex is allowed in a PG sim, anyway. I asked what the consequence would be for getting reported. I asked this question so I could forward this thread to my friends who own land in a PG region. (I already own land in a Mature region, but was considering moving to theirs.) (edit added ) Unfortunately, I got the best answer from the other forum and haven't get had a good one from this forum.

@ Irene Different people read & post to different forums, with different expectations. This forum is for serious questions& answers. The other one is for discussions that tend to go off topic. By posting in both foums , I got the answer I needed faster.

Itazura Radio posted in the General Discussion forums: 9. Nov 11, 2010 9:57 AM in response to: Persephone Emerald Re: What happens when you have nudity, a sex-bed or sex balls in a General region? There is no technically about it. Nudity, sex-beds or sex balls have never been allowed in a General or PG region. The rules have always been enforced, just not many people reported it before. But if they did, you still were dinged for it. That hasn't changed. Adults haven't "safely" ignored the official stance. They were never safe. They were just lucky not to get caught and/or reported before. The only thing that's possibly changed now is the likelihood that will happen. If your caught nude in a PG/General region (either in person by a Linden or in an AR screenshot) you might get kicked if caught in the act or asked to stop (a verbal warning). Adult items like sexbeds or poseballs will be returned to your inventory. You will get an email from Linden Lab saying you have violated the rules regarding mature content in a PG/General area. First you'll get an official warning letter by email. That's as much for their benefit as yours. It's so they know you've been made aware of the rules and can't claim you didn't know. After that, if it happens again you will probably get a short term suspension for a day or so... then 3 days... then maybe a week... then possibly 2 weeks. Eventually if it gets that far then it's obvious you know it's not allowed but just don't care. That that point they really have no choice other than to close your account permanently since you're showing blatant disregard for the maturity ratings and refuse to follow them. If you are not living in a mature/moderate or adult region and want to be naked or have sex... move. It's that simple. Land prices are cheap so now is the time. - Itazura, I gave you Best Answer on the General Discussion forums for this answer. I'd give you Best Answer on this thread too, if I could. - - Persephone

It is technically against the rules to have nudity, sex-beds or sex balls in a General region. Whether those rules are inforced or not depends on whether one is reported or not. With teenagers officialy coming onto the main grid in January, we no longer have the luxury of assuming everyone else in SL is an adult. So, what's going to happen to someone living in a General region when somebody decides to perv into their home & reports them for having virtual sex inside it? What's going to happen when someone sees them naked in a hot tub or bath, or even while trying on a skin? For years now, adults playng in SL have safely ignored the offical stance on nudity & sex in what used to be called PG regions. The assumption was that if one were discrete about it, it wasn't really a problem. Now the name for these regions has been changed from PG to General, and even though LL says this won't result in a change in the rules for these regions, having minors officially on the grid with us will likely change how these rules are inforced.  Welcome to G-rated land, folks. My question is what's going to happen when someone gets reported now for doing things they thought were ok before? Will we have to sell our land cheap & move to a new region because some over-zelous parent reported us for being naughty where a minor could see us? Will our account be suspened?  What can we expect now? (cross-posted to the General Discussion forums)

Thank you,Torely That's the answer others here were giving too, but coming straight from a Linden gives it more authority. Now, my 2nd question still remains, How likely am I to get in trouble for being naked or having a sex-bed inside a house-or sky-box in a General (what used to be a PG) region? I'll ask this in a new thread, since I'm sure other people will be interested in the answers.

"Exciting" is not my goal here. I want to go about my bussiness & not be bothered by people perving into my home or looking for trouble. My goal here is to reduce my tier payments & help my friends reduce theirs, while still enjoying our experience in SL . I don't think any of us want to be forced into a G-rated world here, which is probably what the General reagions will become after the teens join us in them. Ideally, I want my friends to be able to stay on the land they're on, but have the whole region become Moderate instead of General. That's why I asked if such a change is possible.

I submitted a ticket, but I don't have high hopes. Regions adjoining this one are 2 PG and 2 Mature. When I say they're stuck with the land, I'm considering the price they'd get for it would probably be less than an equal sized parcel in a Mature region. Why one of my friends originally bought PG land I don't know, but when she could no longer afford it, she sold some & then gave the rest to a group of our friends. I made a point of buying my own land in a Mature region. Now I'm paying $25/month on my own property & giving $15/ month to my friends so we can keep group land. It would be more cost-effective for us to all live on the same land, but I don't think I want the liability of living on PG land. What are the chances if I have a sex-bed inside my house or if I undress on a platform above the clouds, that someone is going to report me for activity inappropriate for a PG region? Don't you think the chances will be higher when the 16 & 17 year olds officially come onto the main grid?

Thanks. So I probably have to wait 3 months to have Linden tell me it can't be done. :-(

Here's my problem. I currently own land in a Mature region,  but I also contibutre to group-owned land in a General region. I'd like to sell my land & live in the group area, but I don't want to have a house there & not be able to have a sex-bed, not be able to have art inside my house that shows nudity, or not be able to undress on a platform above the clouds. I'm sure my friends in the group are not prudish about such things either, but they brought land from another friend that was in a General region & now they're kind stuck with it. If all the other residents in this region want it to be mature, can the maturity level be changed?

Right, Kiki I have an alt with both a human & wolf avi. I added her to my land group & gave her a special title of "Tasha the Wolf" . It only costs $L100 to start your own group. Add at least 1 friend or alt to it & then you can both have as many titles (aka display names ) as you like and you can change them whenever you wish. - No LL viewer needed.

I'm not going to touch any SL viewers until they're been around for at least a month & I've heard about all their major bugs. I'm still stuck with empty folders & crap folders I don't want from the last time I tried a LL viewer.