Dogboat Taurog

the "band" were a just a front who lipsynched, and were from Jamaica, Montserrat and Aruba. their manager was West German. how that makes them British is beyond me. sorry. ps, you could have milli vanilli the week after.

i detest poseurs and liars.

LL wont get involved with resident disputes, ps, some sim managers are power mad.

MoiselleErin Teardrop wrote: On an extended note - what is up with people in GENERAL, sl or rl, who feel the need to brag about their money? its a sign of success, i have loads of money!! ps you're just jealous of all my money.:matte-motes-nerdy:

ouch.

Void Singer wrote: it's actually a rather nice feature, now that i've had a chance to try it out on phoenix (I don't do a lot of land stream listening). although not all stream are going to tag music accurately (or even at all) I would think that if someone put in a feature request, it shouldn't be too hard to implement (it just requires a little feedback from the media plugin) although there may also be a small security risk with certain tagging formats, as has been exposed in the past on quicktime and other plugins/players, so that may have halted development. the lastest version of Phoenix asks if you want to use a parcels media by default, it also has a black and white list. there will always be a security risk with media in SL unless LL introduce a proxy, fat chance of that happening. ps MOAP is even more unsecure, only use your own MOAP!

Sommerland Starostin wrote: I love music & SL is a big part music for me & I'm sure many others. So many viewers have it. Don't understand why its not on SL viewer yet. For that reason, seems a bit archaic. Because SLV2 as not built by SL users. get Phoenix, SLV2 sucks.

iversonchen wrote: LA have Lost, 4-0. that is incredible. any one know what is going on with LA, they are supposed to win the champion this season. Kobe is really getting old, can not dominate the game anymore. i feel so upset. what is LA?

the group isn't open enrolment...

Dustine Underwood wrote: Does how a shop look define it? Do you leave shops that dont have a good design or layout? What is important when your out and about on shopping excursions, do color, shop size, and location REALLy make a difference? everything makes a difference. imagine you are the customer, what would you want? quick rezzing, clear layout, 2 min build, (maybe your cusomers would like to unbox their stuff), no fixed tp. they are some of my criteria.

Gaia Clary wrote: I guess, she uses v2 development viewer on the main grid.There is nothing wrong with that. And maybe that is also the cause of all missunderstanding ? I haven't tried any other viewers besides the mesh development viewers and Kirsten's viewer for a long time. They just look way better to my taste (regarding graphic quality), They seem to be more stable (i can not remember of any crash since many weeks) and maybe they are optimized to better use the capabilities of the (my?) graphic card ? What i have seen recently was, that these viewers also work almost twice as fast (for me) after i migrated from 32 bit windows-7 to 64-bit windows-7. Nobody could tell me why that performance increase happened just from upgrading the operating system, but it was very very apparent and i was delighted to see 60-80 frames per second where i could only see half of that before ;-) you must have a beast of a PC. i'd still like a definative answer though.

mesh on the main grid? what viewers are you using and where? i would be interested to see this. are there non V2 mesh viewers?

Agent Tairov wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: i'm gonna be honest, i don't believe you. and quite likely nor do most of SL. you want someone to argue with, thats all. Actually, I don't. On top of that, you're either a troll or deliberately inflammatory, and apparently you don't care for actually backing up your arguments. I don't have time for someone like that. Bye. not at all, i have tried kirstens, LL V2, LL V2 beta and firestorm i find them all slower than V1. what backup do you want? you come in here calling troll without anything to back you up. maybe all the V1 users are trolls? maybe you are the troll...

Agent Tairov wrote: Gaia Clary wrote: Then i do not exactly understand why Agents summary about where meshes are better than sculpties receives this answer from you: "you dont want to get the reality do you. its gonna be a lonely world when theres no one buying anything." As Agent doesn't talk about v2 in that text at all but only about meshes... Because Dogboat isn't interested in actually making a convincing or reasonable argument. I'm gonna be honest. I haven't noticed any performance hit with V2 compared to Phoenix, and my rig's not exactly top-of-the-line gaming material. Plus, Phoenix team's fixing up a real nice V2-based TPV, from what I hear, and their current client's pretty great so I'm expecting much of this next one. I don't see a reason to worry about a mass exodus. Besides, the alternative is a slow death for the platform by attrition, as I've pointed out rather clearly. My old laptop that I used to run SL with three years ago can't run SL acceptably these days, but that didn't cause me to leave the platform. It's up to Dogboat to provide an actually decent argument that A.), not putting mesh in the platform will somehow not lead to it slowly fading away or getting eclipsed by a rival, and that B.), viewer 2 is literally so much worse for older computers, that even with solid TPV alternatives, the switchover will result in mass exodus. i'm gonna be honest, i don't believe you. and quite likely nor do most of SL. you want someone to argue with, thats all.

Gaia Clary wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: you dont want to get the reality do you. its gonna be a lonely world when theres no one buying anything. I do not exactly understand, what your opinion is ;-( On one side you say that you want that SL gets more efficient, because otherwise you fear that Second Life will quickly get to its end of life. And yes, i can understand that and also second that. Now you also say, that inefficient buildings like hair built on 200+ distorted torus-shapes is as inefficient as anything can be. And avatars wearing 400 active scripts is nothing anybody realy wants. Right! But then on the other hand you seem to say that introduction of mesh makes the situation worse. IMHO Agent Tairov has summarized a whole lot of reasons why meshes are in fact more efficient as sculpties or even more efficient as regular prims. And there is certainly no reason to assume that mesh based builds will be charged higher than regular prim based builds. We have seen lots of lots of examples where comparable builds can be done far CHEAPER with meshes regarding L$. BTW one of the major reasons why LL has decided to go with meshes was in fact "efficiency"... But you say, this is not true and you say meshes will bring SL to death. So what are the arguments on which you base your assumptions that mesh is inefficient and will kill this platform ? Regarding the efficiency and quality of Viewer-2 compared to viewer-1 based developments i am also a bit confused. For example we have been trying a lot of viewer-1 derivates and we have finally given up on that technology because: 1.) For us viewer-2 brought a much better stability for film making (we use Kirsten's viewer) 2.) Complex rendering like shadows and ambient occlusion processing looks much better on Viewer-2. We never could get anything comparable out of viewer-1 regarding visual quality. I know many people dislike viewer-2 and i respect their arguments, especially when it comes to building! But i also learned to love the v2 features, especially those regarding visual experience. And isn't that also something that makes SL better at the end ? Maybe you have pointed out your arguments before and sorry if i missed your explanations. But i am realy curious to get to know what makes you so annoyed about mesh and v2... V2 is not popular. people like snowglobe based TPV's, V2 is slow on older PCS. "Now you also say, that inefficient buildings like hair built on 200+ distorted torus-shapes is as inefficient as anything can be." these are your words not mine, i said nothing about Torus shapes. experienced people like V1 as they may have older PCS that dont run V2 as well as you want them to. believe me i represent the middle ground. i have nothing against Mesh. its V2 that is the problem. and i have already said all this..

Agent Tairov wrote: I'm gonna cross-post this old post I made on the blog. Blah Blah Blah FIFY. -------------------------------------------------------- you dont want to get the reality do you. its gonna be a lonely world when theres no one buying anything.

Agent Tairov wrote: Meshes are much easier to render. I and my comrades are excited about all the hardcore optimization we're going to be able to do. Lower primcount, lower render overhead, proper physics shapes, handpicked LoDs! It's actually harder to screw up rendering overhead with meshes than with sculpts, because sloppy mesh work costs more prims! This means more and better content, and we can't wait to show you all the cool stuff we're gonna make. Second Life must progress and evolve, or it will wither and die. Users are arriving and wondering why the graphics are so low compared to other, more modern games. They're wondering why our stuff isn't as cool. Well, we're working hard on that, coming up with new and innovative ways to get more for less. Megaprim sculpts with separate megaprim bounding skeletons, LSL preprocessor libraries, coalescing of scripts to reduce memory overhead, et cetera. Fewer prims, lower script time, more cool stuff. Well, mesh allows us to take that to the next level. We can do even better once we're out of handcuffs. From what I've seen of him, Dogboat seems to be either a troll or a fool. Maybe both. His position is ungrounded. Blue Mars had some viability going for it *because* LL was averse to mesh. SL must implement mesh, or it *will* fade away. LL knows this, Dogboat, which is why your posts here will do nothing to change the course necessary for SL's long-term survival. handcuffs? hardcore optimisation?? jeepers. :smileyvery-happy: Blue mars had some viability going for it??? did you see the loading times? Bwahahaha :smileywink:

is this on a linux system? you kids are hilarious.

haha yeah do it!

leliel Mirihi wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: not mentioning something isn't ignoring it. the core of V2 is slower, firestorm is slower, thats why so many people use phoenix. And here I thought it was because Firestorm was still in beta. Anyway do you have benchmarks to back up that claim? Or is this just your gut feeling? im not hating V2, its just slower than what we have now and i have a fairly high spec PC. Can you define fairly high spec PC? That is, after you get around to defining older PC. its not about hating its about the average user in SL, most have PCs that dont run graphic games particularly well. i get the feeling that you are a young kid that mummy and daddy has bought a top spec PC for. but this isnt about you or me, its about the future of SL. My manner of speech is no more childish than yours, yet I'm the spoiled brat with the rich parents while you're the serious grown up with bills to pay. That's a nice argument there. Really convinced me that v2 is slower. low spec - the pcs that dont run V2 as well as V1, but that should have been obvious... i've tried them all btw, and i'm sure most have. nice to see you accept your situation, its a start.

Charolotte Caxton wrote: The future of SL is about you and me. No one has purchased my System for me, I used money I earned to better experience something I enjoy rather than complaining about how everything is grey. When everything was grey to me, I asked why. When I was explained that my graphics were the reason, I upgraded. Instead of blaming LL, I took a look at myself first. LL shouldn't have to cater to those that are unwilling to better their SL experience from their end. Second life is a virtual world. This is 2011. Dont ask me to be against something that is going to further allow me to experience a better graphical, and by graphical I mean visual, experience. most of us have bills to pay.

Opensource Obscure wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: the core of V2 is slower, firestorm is slower, thats why so many people use phoenix. im not hating V2, its just slower than what we have now and i have a fairly high spec PC. ? slower? Maybe for you. Not for me. then can you explain why snowglobe based TPV's are so popular? phoenix especially?

leliel Mirihi wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: i dont think you quite understand, what i am saying is, and listen carefully, performance is not as good on viewer 2 for people with older pcs, and you need V2 to view meshes, correct? Can you define older PCs? Because I can fully believe, and honestly don't care, that viewer 2 doesn't run well on machines made before 2006. Massive disclaimer! I do not mean machines that were manufactured in 2006 using a GPU from 2000. I have occasionally heard reports of people with modern (2007+) machines that can't run v2, but since other people with similarly old machines can run v2 I think those are just random bugs and the like. Not some conspiracy by LL to force everyone to upgrade. its a little more complicated than "haters gonna hate" isnt it? I don't know, your whole argument seems to center around "V2 is bad, mkay". This thread is about meshes, not v2. You have completely ignored the fact that TPVs will support meshes the same as they have supported everything else just so you can rant about how v2 will kill SL. duh. Yeah whatever. not mentioning something isn't ignoring it. the core of V2 is slower, firestorm is slower, thats why so many people use phoenix. im not hating V2, its just slower than what we have now and i have a fairly high spec PC. its not about hating its about the average user in SL, most have PCs that dont run graphic games particularly well. i get the feeling that you are a young kid that mummy and daddy has bought a top spec PC for. but this isnt about you or me, its about the future of SL.

leliel Mirihi wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: im sure we would all like better graphics, problem is you need a good graphical PC and a good line. which in my experience isnt many people. Yeah except that meshes will be faster to render than sculpties. People have pointed this fact out to you at least 5 times in this thread and yet you still refuse to believe it. everthings still grey, still rezzing, i cant see me, i cant see you, where am i, am i wearing clothes wheres my hair etc. That's funny, I don't have those problems...on viewer 2. I think Dogboat's arguments can be summed up as: haters gonna hate. i dont think you quite understand, what i am saying is, and listen carefully, performance is not as good on viewer 2 for people with older pcs, and you need V2 to view meshes, correct? its a little more complicated than "haters gonna hate" isnt it? why do you think so many people still choose snowglobe based TPV's? duh.

WhiteBoi360 wrote: I just have a few questions before I decide to even buy land or what I should do here. Right now I'm in a tiny apartment that I'm just using for rezzing and for my Magic Box... but then I got to thinking it would be cool to get a TV and have it stream my dvds from my computer... so I spent countless hours on google figuring out how to go about doing that and Im starting to understand that part.. But then I noticed I wasn't allowed to stream media in my apartment.. and that only the person who owns the land may do so (which makes sense I guess) So that got me thinking more... can my landlord set media rights to select ''individual apartments'' on his land? Or would he have to give the specific person media rights.. which would mean they could stream media ANYWHERE on his land? (which wouldn't be a good idea) And then I got curious about buying land.... When you ''buy'' land, do you have to pay a weekly or monthly fee for it?? If so, why? Sorry for the noobness, just trying to make second life my second home =) i rent my land on a private estate with full permissions, you can set your own streams, re rent your land etc. i wouldnt rent any land where you have to be in a group to rez your own stuff on your own land. the land lords are power mad!