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  1. Scylla Rhiadra
    If I might reframe this in the terms of the OP of this thread . . . LL permits bots, but those bots have to be registered, and, by implication with reference to the proscription against using them for gaming traffic, they have to be put to a "legitimate" use. What needs to be defined, still, is what exactly constitutes a "legitimate" use. So long as a bot (or army of bots) is operating solely within SL, it is accessing and deploying information within that "walled garden," and its activities thus legitimate, in large measure because they are still limited by the LL ToS, and by the capacities of the platform (i.e., what can and cannot be done with LSL, the limited means of communicating large masses of information, and so forth). But we're in a bit of a quandary when that data, scraped "legitimately" within SL, finds its way outside of the platform. LL will make no move, in large measure because it can't, against violations of the ToS, as for instance disclosure of RL info, that occur off platform. But at what stage, in the transfer of that data from in-world bots to an outside platform, such as a web page, can LL argue that the violations are outside of its jurisdiction? Again: is data scraping for export off-platform a legitimate use of bots? I don't think you'll find the answer to this in the ToS. Which is what makes this interesting:
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    Yeah, this has been their strategy before. Pretend everything is just fiiiiine, while they quietly prepare to take action. Which is exactly what happened with RedZone: there was virtually nothing but bland communications from them until BANG -- they made their move and shut it down. In the meantime, they want to quell the flames of controversy here and elsewhere by whatever other means they have available -- such as closing threads, or closing the entire forum. I am not at all certain that they ARE investigating this behind the scenes, of course -- but if they really thought it was benign and totally unproblematic, I'd have expected them to say "We've investigated this, and there are no issues." That's not what they've said: they've merely pointed out that the info being scraped is "public." Which is of course true -- as were the IP addresses being collected by RedZone.
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    THIS. There have been, what, four threads that directly or through not-very-subtle indirection touched upon the particular provocation for this discussion now? And it's a conversation certainly going on elsewhere -- to my knowledge, on Twitter, on Discord, and in-world. Clearly, as you say, "feathers" have been "ruffled." Some actual answers, rather than bland assurances that don't even address the questions we're asking, would be both appreciated, and do much defuse a growing controversy that is probably (hopefully?) unnecessary.
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    This, frankly, could be said about a great many things occurring within SL, including (or maybe especially) de facto evasions of the community standards guidelines and the ToS. LL seems to have many of these rules in place largely so that they can say they've "taken action": they seldom enforce them. (And I could certainly provide instances.) And, as you say, enforcement for many or most of these things wouldn't require scholastic disputation about angels on the heads of pins: it's mostly pretty damned obvious. A few hours a week by a Linden governance person would go a long way to actually fixing such issues, and discouraging repetition. But . . . nope. It's about plausible deniability, I guess?
  5. Scylla Rhiadra
    The crux. I haven't seen here any evidence whatsoever that they do enforce this. Nor have I heard an answer to Rowan's question. Everything else is, in a sense, irrelevant and off-topic. (And yes, that will be used to justify shutting this thread down.)
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    Which rather begs the question: why do people even bother doing this? What exactly is this accomplishing? How is this being monetized -- if it is -- or what other gain is accrued from this effort? I'm not of course disagreeing with you, but it's a genuine question. Unless there is an entrance fee to get into a parcel, which there very seldom is, how does one actually gain by gaming traffic?
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    And now I'm wondering if a general resurgence of fear and loathing of bots is going to lead to a more general return to 0 second warnings on security orbs. I await a new thread on that subject! Paranoia runs deep.
  8. Scylla Rhiadra
    Your tee shirt is in the mail, Ceka!
  9. Scylla Rhiadra
    Yeah, it was added later. The thread was closed by Kiera, but it was Harley who added the "explanation." When I came back to GD after posting my comment in this thread, above, that thread suddenly showed as containing unread posts -- i.e., Harley's. Whatever. LL. /me shrugs
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    I don't even get a "I posted to the Bots Thread and all I got was this crummy tee shirt" tee shirt.
  12. Scylla Rhiadra
    Wow. That was one hell of a weird thread. It reminds me a little of some much older ones that evolved around controversies like the new parcel rating system, when trolls and shiny new accounts with axes to grind were popping up like mushrooms. And . . . wow. LL really doesn't want us talking about this, do they? Not even an explanation this time. Peeve: I missed it all!
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    What? You don't sit in your undies on your kitchen counter? Riiiiight.
  15. Scylla Rhiadra
    Ssssshhhhhh! It'll be our little secret.
  16. Scylla Rhiadra
    THIS!!! You see it even here sometimes, occasionally from people who should know better. SL is soooo diverse -- but a lot of us swim around in very small bubbles.
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    Oh yes, I've certainly run across those before -- people who very deliberately decide to co-opt you into their exhibitionist fantasy RP. And yes, agreed: it's a form of griefing, a bit different perhaps from others who insist that you play along with whatever RP they are engaged in. I don't think this was the case here, though. I think she was probably just a bit clueless. /me "giggles" 🤢
  18. Scylla Rhiadra
    Yeah. I think there's a difference between "this is expected behavior" and "this is theoretically permitted here." There are places where one might go because one wants to experience that kind of oversharing. This very obviously was not one of them. I'm not, btw, "angry" at the woman in question. It was cringy and sometimes a bit gross, but I think she was just not very good at recognizing the nature of the place or the crowd. In some ways, I feel bad for her too: there was nothing "wrong" with what she was doing (although, yeeeeeesh . . .); she was just doing it in the wrong place. I think she probably got that message by the time she left -- and probably felt a bit embarrassed herself.
  19. Scylla Rhiadra
    So, not sure if this counts as a "peeve" or not . . . but . . . Last night at the club I regularly attend every Friday night, a guy TPs in with a woman whom he has presumably asked to dance. Woman almost immediately loses all her clothing, and begins some rather inappropriately public sex chat, accompanied by a great deal of "giggles!" (/me rolls her eyes). The club is adult, so no violation of the ToS, but it is not normal at this place for people to dance naked or engage in explicit sexual chat in public. Everyone was kinda embarrassed -- but most of all, the poor guy who'd brought her, apparently not realizing what was going to ensue. Eventually, he excused himself and left. Maybe a half an hour later, Naked Dancing Girl leaves too -- and almost immediately her original dance partner returns with a new woman, this time fully clothed. He joked a bit about his last partner, and worked very hard to establish that he was embarrassed too -- he tipped the DJ four times! He seemed a nice guy: I felt awful for him. So, hmmm, peeve? People who can't read the room and insist upon thrusting their over-the-top sexuality upon a community that pretty clearly didn't want to share in it.
  20. Scylla Rhiadra
    Go to the "Wearing" tab in your inventory, find the box, right click, and choose "Detach Item." There. I have made my worthwhile contribution to the forum for the day!
  21. Scylla Rhiadra
    I can genuinely say that a "IKR" and emoticon from you means more to me than a half page of prose from some others here. 🙂
  22. Scylla Rhiadra
    I will forever be the poorer for not having your response, Ceka. But a snack sounds like a good idea!
  23. Scylla Rhiadra
    Bland reassurances that don't address the questions and issues raised aren't an "answer" -- they are an evasion. "Stay Calm and Keep Spending Your Money" is not an adequate substitution for a thoughtful response. As I am sure is happening. The forums are a pretty small fish tank, but LL might bear in mind some of the basic lessons of PR 101: get in front of a controversy, rather than sit on it hoping it will go away. I suspect they've just squirted a little bit of oil into a stil-manageable, but potentially troublesome fire.
  24. Scylla Rhiadra
    It was NOT answered. Keira's "point" doesn't begin to address the issues raised in that, or the previous thread. Frankly, LL's determination to shut down this conversation here is having the opposite of a "reassuring" effect upon me. If this is so harmless, why stomp out the discussion about it?
  25. Scylla Rhiadra
    Surprise surprise. Guess what just got locked, despite, so far as I can see, not contravening the forum guidelines in any way?
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