Sparkle Bunny
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Well, when the Vics first came out it was the same people claiming the most desirable spots over and over, so PP doesn't really change anything, it just streamlines the process. Most of them know each other / are alts of each other so if somebody else gets the parcel they wanted it's usually no big deal. Everyone else can either cross their fingers that previously desirable Vics will be getting abandoned in quest of the new shiny, or wait for them all to decamp to 2024s in the summer (or whenever).
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12 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:
They need to make the university a university for real useful information.. Not mixed with brand advertisement....
Ideally they'd supplement it with written material as well as the videos. I'm someone who learns better from text, so when I was a noob I read every SL blog I could find and learned from there, rather than looking for inworld classes or mentors. Basic prim building, freebie sources, places to explore... I got all that stuff from blogs.
I also feel group chats, rather than specific locations, are the natural home of communities. Welcome areas need group join boards as much as landmarks.
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Premiums, as a rule, don't care too much about grubbing for L$ because they're already getting stipend and can buy extra whenever they need it (one of many reasons why the Realms are moribund). In addition, many people have multiple premium alts for landowning/Bellisseria purposes, and few are going to run around giving free L$ to randoms when they can give it to themselves. Downrating is obviously undesirable, but without it you have no effective mechanism to stop every group on the grid being spammed by beggars.
If you need a financial incentive for people to gather in one place, bring back camping and sploders, and kick people if they go afk or gesture-spam instead of making small talk.
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I get my hats from Poison Rouge when they do the Shop'n'Hop free credit, and sometimes Belle Epoque have them in the weekly sales. The Row House (on MP and inworld) do lovely 20s-era cloches, but their prices are a little high for me.
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oooh! what if they brought the OLD realms back for premium users (as I suggested approximately four million years ago)? payouts were better, monsters were less annoying, it was less glitchy in general, and you didn't have to keep re-doing the quests. That might tempt me to keep my premium alt.
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I fully expect those who are running bots to support making this data available to us, as part of the information-sharing enterprise they are engaged in
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Makes sense since you can no longer cash out without payment info anyway.
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My reading of it is that Lindens consider payment details, email addresses and other RL info submitted upon registration to be 'personal information'. This is not available to other users or bots unless there is a serious data breach, and if that were to happen they would be obliged to inform all vulnerable customers as soon as it was discovered.
They do not, apparently, consider your account status, location info, or anything you post in your profile to be 'personal information', and so it is fair game for anyone to republish and redistribute as they wish. If you were naive enough to think that the '1st life' tab was intended for RL info... nope, that is not the case.
Since profile info is now searchable, I would strongly recommend removing any information that identifies you as a member of any marginalised groups in RL or SL, and/or restricting your IMs to friends-only. Opting out of one specific site is not a solution as it does nothing to prevent copycat sites springing up, as they surely will now this kind of data-gathering is explicitly permitted by LL.
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2 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:
Pretty childish if you ask me. Harassing another forum member because you don't like their opinion?
How is it harassment? She just said she's fine with her pics being reused anywhere. If I stole your profile pic, you might have a case. But I'm not going to because you haven't said it's OK. See how it works?
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I know it doesn't bug you, you already made that clear.
Point is, some people care where their stuff gets republished even if you don't.
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9 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:
I am just gonna say this, you are responsible for the info you put in your profiles. That being said, if you put a lot of your RL info into the RL Tab then yeah it will show up there. I honestly don't care about these bots flying around, as I am not practically sharing everything about myself. Basically, stop oversharing, and there wouldn't be a problem.
Cool, just grabbing your profile pic for myself then.
Guess you shouldn't have shared it.
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2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
The point being, LL has no standing to limit what people can do offsite. Their rules don't apply everywhere, ya know.
Of course they don't. They can't stop people republishing other people's content. That's up to the people who own the content. Personally I'm not interested in handing over my RL name and address in order to file a DMCA, but the option's there.
What they can do is ban users/bots that exist solely for content-scraping purposes, or at the very least charge them for the privilege. They can ban bots for not declaring that they're bots. They can ban them because they don't like their username. Failing to respect the intellectual property clause seems a decent enough reason to me, but they don't even need a reason; they can ban them for any reason or none.
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39 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:
It never did. If the information in your profile that you've allowed anyone in Second Life to see could somehow endanger you, there was nothing stopping Sammy the Cat from your local businessman's protection society from creating a free account linked to a burner E-mail address and accessing the information that way.
I mean, he'd need to know already that a) you were signed up to SL and b) what your username was, but OK.
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6 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:
But I'm tempting a ban hammer if I relay that out of SL without the consent of all parties.
Apparently not anymore! That privacy policy makes any form of inworld communication fair game for third parties to do whatever they like with. People have been posting chat logs on gossip sites for years, and there's never any comeback.
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The recipients are other logged-in users who can view your profile. That includes bots.
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9 minutes ago, EliseAnne85 said:
where does it say someone has a right to publish our information on a third party website? Where in the TOS, do I have that right, to publish it?
here it is:
QuoteAny information, content or communications, including personal information, you provide when you use any of these features will be available to the recipients (dependent on the nature of the tool) and may be publicly posted and otherwise disclosed without limitation as to its use by us or by a third party.
That's from the Privacy Policy, and does seem in direct contradiction to the Intellectual Property clause in the ToS. I've granted LL permission to reproduce the text and images from my profile because profiles would be unusable without that; but I don't recall surrendering my copyright in the text and images to allow them to be republished anywhere without restriction.
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Just now, TimKoul said:
I just assumed all that info stayed within SL boundaries though.
So did we all.
I have never posted any RL info on my profiles whatsoever, but it could be argued that the existence of the '1st life' tab encourages people to do so. Nor have I ever reused a username from another website in SL, but I'm sure that's happened too. All those people have now had their privacy compromised, because the walled garden they thought they were interacting within doesn't have functioning walls.
I agree that this is not a legitimate use of bots.
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2 minutes ago, TimKoul said:
I consider ones account status (premium, plus, basic) to be private since there's no way to able to show that on our profiles or anywhere else on any SL website so it's basically hidden information.
But apparently Lindens made it public info via a script so it doesn't violate their privacy policy? So bots can just harvest it and post it on a 3rd party website?
I'm really confused.
Apparently, scripters had already figured out ways to access your subscription status (it needs to be visible to both the client and the server, so, yeah). The new function just makes it more straightforward to do what they were already doing.
And even those who don't script know that 'no payment info on file' means you're looking at a basic account and all owners of Linden homes are premium, so... not really hidden, no.
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3 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
I've seen screenshots of people's profiles posted on other websites. Not sure how LL can control something like that.
That's not up to LL to control. It's up to the user to contact the website and get it removed.
What is up to LL to control is the behaviour that its users (scripted or unscripted) are permitted to engage in. It's very unclear whether the owner of the profile-scraping bots consulted with LL about the legality of their activities beforehand, and equally unclear why LL agreed it was OK. I wish there was some transparency about what exactly the links are here, and whether LL are selling our data to third-parties or simply giving it away.
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2 minutes ago, CaithLynnSayes said:
I'll even go a step further. It's not only LL, it's facebook, twitter, etc etc. You put information on it for people to see, you can not then after the fact go and complain to said company that they are in fact allowing people to view the information you made public and you agreed to it being public. It's not a new thing that LSL can read profiles and account statuses. So, why is this now an issue?
I can restrict my profile info on facebook and twitter so that only logged-in users can see it. Apparently I can't do that in SL any more, even though the web interface informed me that I could, and nobody bothered to inform me of the change in policy.
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7 minutes ago, Tommy Linden said:
As we previously mentioned, all of the information that is currently being displayed on a third party website, is all accessible via lsl script call, and is considered to be public information.
Given that you have to register to join SL in order to execute the scripts, that's a peculiar definition of public.. Meanwhile, you should probably delete https://my.secondlife.com/settings/privacy. It's misleading to suggest that people can control who their data is shared with when that is actually not the case.
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People are supposed to declare their scripted agents to LL, right? So LL, in theory, should know who they are; their bot status should be in their profile, they should be required to have payment info used, they should show up on the map as a different colour to regular avatars, and I should be able to tick a box in land settings banning them from my parcel.
And if I find a bot that isn't marked as such, I should be able to report them to LL so that they can either be brought into complicance or banned.
Otherwise, I don't quite understand why LL bothers asking people to declare their scripted agents at all.
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I have a Japanese av; she wears kimono and Asian skins. Editing your Caucasian skin and features in Photoshop seems weird to me when all you have to do is change your skin and shape in world; or, if you don't want to do that because you're too attached to your existing skin and shape... well, if you're that attached to them, why would you want to change them in post-processing? None of it makes much sense.
And yes, the 'Oriental' terminology is... ugh. I can only assume that English isn't her first language.
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Hopping to a theme you don't especially love can be a good way of weaning an alt off premium. Playing with a new house for a couple of days/weeks is a nice distraction which stops you thinking too much about the dream parcel you just gave up, and abandoning it when your subscription finally runs out is relatively painless.
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LL has become a lot more proactive about reclaiming such land over the past year or so, so if any of the parcels the OP wants are group-owned it would be worth putting in a ticket. I do know of one parcel owned by an absent individual eventually being acquired by a neighbour, so it's not as if it never happens. Yes, some people leave and never cancel their tier payments, but sometimes there's just a lag between their departure and the payments stopping. If they're not paying for it any more, they can't bank on hanging on to it indefinitely.