Randome Bingyi Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Ok, here's the situation. An alt of mine was with another avatar, intimately, recently (1am SL time on 9/12/11). The other avatar was of legal age when I originally met them. However, the following day, this avatar informs me that it was their 17 yr old son instead of them at that time, but there was no indication in our original dialog that it wasn't anyone but the RL adult in charge of the avatar.Now they are threatening to have me banned from SL because of this. Should I be concerned about this, even though they have no proof other than their word, as far as I know of? And if I do get banned, what recourse do I have? File RL child endangerment and false entrapment charges?Any help in this is appreciated.Randome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randome Bingyi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Ok, here's the situation. An alt of mine was with another avatar, intimately, recently (1am SL time on 9/12/11). The other avatar was of legal age when I originally met them. However, the following day, this avatar informs me that it was their 17 yr old son instead of them at that time, but there was no indication in our original dialog that it wasn't anyone but the RL adult in charge of the avatar.Now they are threatening to have me banned from SL because of this. Should I be concerned about this, even though they have no proof other than their word, as far as I know of? And if I do get banned, what recourse do I have? File RL child endangerment and false entrapment charges?Any help in this is appreciated.Randome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randome Bingyi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Also, I have heard from friend in SL, the avatar in question previously knew their son was aware of what was going on in SL, possibly exposing them to mature material in SL, as well. And as I said, I was not aware of any of this until after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Furse Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 you have more chance if you report them ......... :smileyhappy: *meows* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randome Bingyi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Can you tell me where to do that / who I need to talk to about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randome Bingyi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Thank you very much. I honestly don't want this other avatar banned, but I don't like being threatened with that action myself. Will report this later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 What country is the 17 year old in? (Age of consent in UK is 16, so although a 46 yo with a 16 yo is frowned upon, it's not illegal.) And if this is true, what sort of parent allows their kid access to their account without some sort of supervision? Anyway, if it were me, I'd submit an AR to LL, on the grounds of someone letting another person access their account. And I'd get my jollies with a BRB/magazine/regular pornsite in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peggy Paperdoll Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The minor in question is 17 years old according to the OP. You can't report the minor as "underaged" since being in SL at age 16 now is perfectly legal. The problem is that there was intimacy between an adult and a legally minor child (under the age of 18 in the US which is the law LL has to enforce). The incident should definitely be reported by the OP as soon as possible (like right now) but reporting as underage is not a good idea since since underage is now under 16, not 18 like earlier this year. To the OP submit an Abuse Report. I don't know what the catagories are anymore since it's been a few years since I've had to report abuse.......if "Underage" is the closest, then use it (but make sure you explain it was an intimate relationship with the minor and you had no knowledge of the person being under 18 at the time........basically explain just like you did here for us). Include the chat logs (yeah, even those imbarrassing words of woo and seduction). I believe LL will handle it fairly. They have access to everyone's chat logs on the entire grid so they can see what transpired and what was said and not said. If you can give an approximate time when this started and stopped I'm sure that will help the abuse team hone in on the relevant conversations. Be prepared to answer some direct questions. LL doesn't take stuff like this lightly.........the can't. They could be shut down, even prosecuted criminally. Be cooperative. The early part of this year SL suddenly became a much more dangerous place for adults.........be very careful who you interact with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randome Bingyi Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Both I and other avatar live in United States (they reside in TX). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman626 Fall Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Report it like the others said,, but you couldn't have much to worry about after all he was`t allowed to be in M rated place to start with you didt do anything wrong ,, sound like they just trying to mess with ya head and what they did was brokering a TOS in first place,, 2 you was told they was of legal age then they change there story later that could be reported had others said you have no need to worry because LL got the all chat that took place. you just can't be blame for unknowing about ages because he couldn't be on it in the first place. They be the one getting in deep crap here not you they trick ya and miss lead you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 If a user is under 18 years old & their avatar is in a Moderate (Mature) or Adult region, they are still underage as per the TOS because 16 & 17 year olds are supposed to remain in General (PG) regions. If on the other hand, you were engaging in simulated intimate activity in a General (PG) region, then you would both be at fault for that, no matter what age you are in RL. Definitely report the other account, as no one is supposed to be sharing their account, let alone with a minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiked Anton Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Roseysun has a good point, except for this line "Make sure the person has actually admitted underage status in his or her own words in inworld chat (for example by saying, "I'm fourteen"). We cannot accept hearsay, rumors, or admissions made on external instant messaging programs or any areas outside of Second Life." the parents telling you is was their son, is heresay. but i would report the matter anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peggy Paperdoll Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I doubt if anyone will find out the answer to those questions. I'm not sure LL can come to a definite conclusion either but they do have access to more information that any of us. All any of us can do is to take the word of the OP and offer advice.........which is what the OP asked of us. It doesn't matter where the incident took place. It doesn't even matter that the guardian of the suspected minor allowed access to the minor (against the ToS). What matters is that someone claiming to be a minor as threatened to "report" an incident that is clearly against the ToS and US laws to the authorities. That, alone, is enough to do anything and everything necessary to protect yourself. If the worse that might happen is a ban or suspension from SL then it would not be quite as serious.............but this could get the OP into real life trouble with the law. Sure, the likihood of anything coming of it is slim...........but no one knows who this "minor" is or who this minor's guardian is. It just takes someone filing a criminal complaint and all hell breaks loose. I'm trying to get it through to the OP to act now. Get it all on the record with LL and out in the open just in case this minor decides it would be fun to "mess with the OP a little". Legal expenses, I'm sure no one budgeted for when joining SL........and certainly not being branded for a sex crime. SL is not the place it was just a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 It sounds like the OP is going to address the matter with Linden lab as soon as he or she gets home from work. I don't think you can reasonably expect people to act any faster than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus Petrov Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 If this friend of yours allowed their son to use their account, not only should you report it but you should remove them from your friends list and mute them. This person is a walking drama fest. Stay away. Far, far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronometria Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Hit first and hit hard. If they are threatening you like this, then "not wanting to get them banned" is out the window, you need to whack em. It's their problem that the account was used in this way and that you were tricked, not yours. The account owner was lucky that they didnt find a bill for 50,000 lindens slapped on their account when their son went on a spending spree with "magic money that comes when you click this button at the top of the screen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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