Love Zhaoying Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: People tend to stop whining when you pay attention to their feelings...when you show some consideration for their side of things. Yes! You should try it! I've been actually participating in this thread, trying to understand others. I wish you could too, as your posts seem only critical. Maybe you're having a bad few days? In any case, at least you check in once in awhile. Better than nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Robonaught Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Thanks all. It's been "real"! 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 5 hours ago, Rowan Amore said: Wow,.really? I visit multiple places including adult places from the Destination Guide every single day and I have yet to run into any randomly naked people. The last one I did see was at the Welcome Hub, strangely enough, and that's even a G rated region. You're forgetting. ToS Un-Friendly Family Beaches! "Mah right to drag mah Clickbait friends to NEKKID strangers!" Unless its more like: "Daddy, what does Bur... Burlesky Stripe-Tees mean?" "Come on kids, lets do EDUCATION!" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 4 hours ago, Madi Melodious said: I'm still waiting for a good reason that applied alphas won't be good enough. "Because the Walking ToS violation AR Clickbait can take the system alpha layer OFF, when they think Governance are not watching, and violate the ToS." Your wait is now officially OVER. Congratulations. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: If there are no pictures, then did the tree falling in the woods make a sound? if there are no pictures, why is LL bothered by all of this in the first place? two avis, off in a corner doing illegal things, and no one knows? honestly what is this all about then? its not the act i guess, its the solicitation of the act big bad pedo hitting on poor innocent children… lets disrupt the whole grid and piss everyone off Edited May 7 by BilliJo Aldrin added stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: if there are no pictures, why is LL bothered by all of this in the first place? two avis, off in a corner doing illegal things, and no one knows? honestly what is this all about then? its not the act i guess, its the solicitation of the act big bad pedo hitting on poor innocent children… lets disrupt the whole grid and piss everyone off Please try to keep it civil. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) As part of the TOS, are child avatars allowed to take part in mature RolePlay of a non-sexual nature that you'd only expect to see in PG/higher movies, or "Mature-Rated" video games? Examples: - Child vampires, drinking blood and converting adults / other children - Child Zombies, killing victims and consuming human flesh - Murder / vigilantism - Demon worship / summoning evil spirits - Attacking innocent people for enjoyment Edited May 7 by Love Zhaoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 26 minutes ago, Denim Robonaught said: Thanks all. It's been "real"! 😄 Who is keeping "flounce count"? I only noticed a couple previously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameGloom Ravenwood Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 7 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: if there are no pictures, why is LL bothered by all of this in the first place? two avis, off in a corner doing illegal things, and no one knows? honestly what is this all about then? its not the act i guess, its the solicitation of the act big bad pedo hitting on poor innocent children… lets disrupt the whole grid and piss everyone off It could be seen as SL being a place to act out your illegal fantasies, no business needs that sort of attention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said: Ate child avatars allowed to take part in mature RolePlay of a non-sexual nature that you'd only expect to see in PG/higher movies, or "Mature-Rated" video games? Examples: - Child vampires, drinking blood and converting adults / other children - Child Zombies, killing victims and consuming human flesh - Murder / vigilantism - Demon worship / summoning evil spirits - Attacking innocent people for enjoyment Do you not remember Pet Cemetary? The Orphan, The Shinning, The Omen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Regenbogen Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 8 hours ago, Rowan Amore said: None of those thing are illegal virtually. Virtual depictions of CP are in many places. Legal, illegal, doesn't matter a tiny bit when it comes to the real problem that can break a company's back in a heartbeat. Corporate image. Destroy that, and you don't need any laws or legalese. When a big enough group of very vocal people come to the impression that SL runs under the headline "Join the world - your perversion is already waiting for you!" no lawyer will help anymore. And a little reminder: one person here in this forum, who attacks, insults and sprews hatred against kid avatars constantly and repeatedly said it herself about her community: we are perverts and want to live out our perversion without any kid avatars nearby. That in a climate where a book about two male penguins raising a chicken together leads to very real protests against libraries. No, this whole thing is not about sexual ***** being illegal. It is about the image of SL. But if we want to talk about legal aspects, lets talk about the real *giant* elephant in the room. Forget about the legality of any content - look at the accessibility! While many content not being illegal, having it easily accessible without any age verification actually *is* illegal in many places. Oh, and international law was mentioned. In my place of residence it is extremely illegal to show, glorify, promote and deal with WW2 related nazi stuff. SS uniforms, swastikas, running a virtual SS brigade. Big trouble ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 A question. Is it against the TOS for an adult to send a graphic sexual im to a child? If yes, AR the adult Is it against the TOS for a child to send a graphic sexual im to an adult? If yes, AR the child No child is “forced” into an adult situation beyond receiving an unwanted im AR and block. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 5 minutes ago, Carolyn Zapedzki said: It could be seen as SL being a place to act out your illegal fantasies, no business needs that sort of attention. yes but if no one sees it, did it happen? and if someone sees it report it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, Daniel Regenbogen said: Legal, illegal, doesn't matter a tiny bit when it comes to the real problem that can break a company's back in a heartbeat. Corporate image. So does a lot of the Porn, The Adult side of Second Life is Important but it can hurt a business if all they see is just the Adult side of second life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameGloom Ravenwood Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: yes but if no one sees it, did it happen? and if someone sees it report it That's not the point. LL need to be seen to be taking the right measures to prevent any sort of child exploitation. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameGloom Ravenwood Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Just now, Carolyn Zapedzki said: That's not the point. LL need to be seen to be taking the right measures to prevent any sort of child exploitation. Even if it is done in privacy then LL have given them the tools to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, Daniel Regenbogen said: Legal, illegal, doesn't matter a tiny bit when it comes to the real problem that can break a company's back in a heartbeat. Corporate image. Destroy that, and you don't need any laws or legalese. When a big enough group of very vocal people come to the impression that SL runs under the headline "Join the world - your perversion is already waiting for you!" no lawyer will help anymore. And a little reminder: one person here in this forum, who attacks, insults and sprews hatred against kid avatars constantly and repeatedly said it herself about her community: we are perverts and want to live out our perversion without any kid avatars nearby. That in a climate where a book about two male penguins raising a chicken together leads to very real protests against libraries. No, this whole thing is not about sexual ***** being illegal. It is about the image of SL. But if we want to talk about legal aspects, lets talk about the real *giant* elephant in the room. Forget about the legality of any content - look at the accessibility! While many content not being illegal, having it easily accessible without any age verification actually *is* illegal in many places. Oh, and international law was mentioned. In my place of residence it is extremely illegal to show, glorify, promote and deal with WW2 related nazi stuff. SS uniforms, swastikas, running a virtual SS brigade. Big trouble ahead. Lol, your perversion IS waiting for you. That boat sailed a long time ago, and im not talking a kid sex, im talking about any kind if degeneracy you can imagine. THAT is the reality of second life, get over it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Carolyn Zapedzki said: Even if it is done in privacy then LL have given them the tools to do it. there are no children in second life. there is no child exploitation, there are only some sick adults playing out sick fantasies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameGloom Ravenwood Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: there are no children in second life. there is no child exploitation, there are only some sick adults playing out sick fantasies We are all well aware of that. We are talking about illegal fantasies here Like sex chatlines, in most counties you cannot talk about underage sex or any illegal topic even if it is classed as a fantasy,. We are talking about child exploitation fantasy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Carolyn Zapedzki said: We are all well aware of that. We are talking about illegal fantasies here Like sex chatlines, in most counties you cannot talk about underage sex or any illegal topic even if it is classed as a fantasy,. We are talking about child exploitation fantasy. Second life is based in the U.S. it is not illegal here to like fictional characters, however I'm not justifying the actions of underA.P. Second Life is not trying to remove child avatars or use fear tactics to control the users behind them, or make them feel bad as a whole. just so you are aware of that. This forum is not about that, it's about the change of the ToS and about Modesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameGloom Ravenwood Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 3 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: Second life is based in the U.S. it is not illegal here to like fictional characters, however I'm not justifying the actions of underA.P. Second Life is not trying to remove child avatars or use fear tactics to control the users behind them, or make them feel bad as a whole. just so you are aware of that. This forum is not about that, it's about the change of the ToS and about Modesty. I am well aware of that I was responding to BilliJo's points And the issue on modesty, well this thread seems to have brought up different issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 7 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: Second life is based in the U.S. it is not illegal here to like fictional characters, however I'm not justifying the actions of underA.P. Second Life is not trying to remove child avatars or use fear tactics to control the users behind them, or make them feel bad as a whole. just so you are aware of that. This forum is not about that, it's about the change of the ToS and about Modesty. Yes i agree, that's what this thread is about, but I think by your comment, you show changes in the TOS will do NOTHING to stop ***** from happening, which is what the changes in the TOS are suppose to be about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 minute ago, Carolyn Zapedzki said: I am well aware of that I was responding to BilliJo's points And the issue on modesty, well this thread seems to have brought up different issues. K, just telling you, the Moles have already threatened to close the thread. Keeping it civil is within our best interest so trying to avoid unneeded slander, calling of names. It has been the same thing over and over. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) Question: If a ten year old ims me and says "mmm i sure am hungry, how about you let me suck on your *****" Can I AR him? edited: I guess I should have said mammary glands Edited May 7 by BilliJo Aldrin added a line 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameGloom Ravenwood Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Just now, Starberry Passion said: K, just telling you, the Moles have already threatened to close the thread. Keeping it civil is within our best interest so trying to avoid unneeded slander, calling of names. It has been the same thing over and over. I have no wish to slander anyone, and nor have I done that, you are talking to the wrong person. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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