Banlines

[Tweetie Birdbrain]

Is there an altitude limit to banlines?  If there is a limit, I will notify my customers, who buy my hot air balloons, to fly above the limit.  If a hot air balloon touches a banline, it auto deletes, and the occupants of the balloon find themselves at the bottom of the sea or crash. 

To test the banlines, go to my store in Kamba and fly a demo balloon.  There's no shortage of banlines there.

[Ansariel Hiller]

Banlines used to be up to 768m, but have changed to 5000m a while ago.

[Rolig Loon]

This is a complicated topic. Ban lines are limited to a height of 4096 m above the terrain mesh when you're explicitly banned from the land. If the parcel is simply not pubic access or restricted to certain Residents/groups, then the lines go up to 50 m above the terrain mesh.  So, unless you have been banned explicitly by the landowner, you can fly over ban lines by staying just barely 50m above the surface. 

[Ansariel Hiller]

I increase the banline height for explicitly banned avatars to 5000m above ground: http://hg.secondlife.com/viewer-release/commits/80bb64498f1db433f8eb5fcc1b03b9bf43c0c22b

[Rolig Loon]

Good to know. Thanks, Ansariel.

[Tweetie Birdbrain]

I want to thank you both for taking time to answer my question; however, your answers are not what I was hoping to hear. The banline I'm referring to is 70m high, and I was hoping that there was a new limit to banlines. From my point of view, I think they should be banned. They may keep out a few unwanted avatars, but anger and alienate all others who have the misfortune to come across one. Just ask my customers

[Ansariel Hiller]

At the time of the raise of the banline height for banned avatars this concern was already brought up by residents into piloting aircrafts etc. AFAIK LL's response was to simply fly higher...

 

As for the 70m: Since the default ground level is 20m and ban lines for private parcles reach up to 50m above ground, it's pretty easy to guess where that 70m might be coming from: 20m + 50m = 70m

[Innula Zenovka]

I am there at the moment... lovely balloons, btw... and flying around quite happily at 65 metres altitude.  Of course, How happy your privacy-loving  neighbours will be about low-flying balloons is another question.

[Tweetie Birdbrain]

Glad you like my hot air balloons. Hope you had a great flight, Zenovka! I'm sure a 5000m banline is in the near future. How sad!

[Rolig Loon]

Why are you so sure? As I explained, the high banline only applies to people who have been explicitly banned from the parcel. Otherwise, ban lines only extend up 50m above the ground mesh. That's been true (approximately) for ages. Why do you expect it to change?

[Innula Zenovka]

Ban lines is a bit of a misnomer, I think. The 50 metre lines are the no entry lines, and they've always been kept low precisely because of the problems that would otherwise be caused to aviators on the mainland.

[Lindal Kidd]

You've gotten the correct advice...but if it was me, and I had a store, and my neighbors were making things difficult for my customers with their ban lines...I would seriously consider relocating.

[Tweetie Birdbrain]

Thanks for the support, Lindal, but since I've been in this same location for 4 1/2 years and my neighbors are brand new to the area, I feel an obligation to fight for my rights. Atm, the banline is down. Maybe we can all exist in peace....here's hoping

[Rolig Loon]

This is always a tough call. I have had shops in mainland sims and have moved a couple of times because the neighborhood changed while I was there. As a renter, I feel that I can always pick up at any time and set up in a new spot with almost no trouble. If I were buying land or setting up a large store, though, I'd always go for a private sim where tenants are more predictable. That's just me, though. I know many people who would make other choices.

[Tweetie Birdbrain]

I rent at Kamba and at a private sim, and I agree totally that a private sim is more predictible; however, the Mainland has a charm of its own....newbies. I'd rather have a newbie accidentily walk into my house than deal with a cranky neighbor with privacy issues.