Freya Mokusei

Ask the creator of the system, looks like they have a website here:- http://www.magik-ads.com/ Google is your friend.

LittleYuriGirl wrote: Is it possible to use more than one sound in the custom sounds NC? say for example I wanted more than one sound in Heart bumps. and if so how I don't have specific knowledge of this item, but I'm pretty familiar with bumpers, typers, and all the things this contains. Extra scripting would be required to make it work with multiple sounds, so it's unlikely that this is possible. You could try using a separation character in the NC, either ',' (comma) or '|' (vertical bar) between sound filenames and seeing if it reacts. If it doesn't (or if it errors out) then you'll probably have your definitive answer. E.g. "Sound1,Sound2" / "Sound1|Sound2" Good luck - as Amethyst says there are several risks with using old stuff, but if you can make them work then good for you.

Sounds like you're after the Wanted forum. >.>

None, sorry. Other than to try and find a better landlord in future - big names are often better than smaller ones (but there are exceptions). Second Life is buyer beware - Linden Lab does not intervene in disputes between residents, there is no entitlement to refunds or replacements. Source: Second Life Community Standards

It's not "harassing" to submit counter points during a discussion. The OP asked the question why someone might object to their demonstrably unacceptable marketing methods. It's not unreasonable to answer the question that they themselves posed, even if they didn't like the answers they received. That's the flip-side of participating on a forum. Here, see:- 0THELLA wrote: I don't understand why anyone would object to this, however if you do have a problem with the content of my posts please let me know. ...And that's exactly what I did, in a respectful and measured way. I spent hours crafting those replies, taking care of my tone the entire way through. I even added that if the OP had an issue with my critiques, just to let me know and I'd remove them. A sensible discussion was all I anticipated. Instead, childishness ensued. YMMV, though - do business with these folks at your own discretion. I fully imagine that it will be entertaining. I complimented their response to your thread (here). That singular action was (reasonably) fair behaviour; the rest has not been. I'm sorry that you don't see this, but their sense of ethics has been laid pretty bare in this thread. There's lots of interesting insight into how these folks work, if you care to look. I appreciate that some people have made useful contributions to this thread overnight. It's been good to read.

I don't remember that conversation happening. Did two people converse about a subject, other than to Internet-high-five? You're welcome to see what we were discussing, it's on Page 1 and it's actually about the lack of genuine discussions on this board. People seem to keep posting outbound links rather than having substantive conversations. ETA: That wasn't so hard, was it?

Sizzelle wrote: whose name calling? Your folks. I checked. They keep using words like 'cyber bully' and 'troll'. I don't think they're especially useful terms in the conversation, given that this was just a discussion about self-promotion, in a discussion forum. Out-posting links to art does not make this a discussion about art. The OP queried why someone would object to their business practice, after explaining their rationale. I answered the question, given that it was clearly posted-out from another, more relevant thread. Sizzelle wrote: As an advisor Lithium ranks are dispensed automatically. It's not a position we necessarily ascribe to ourselves. They don't count for much.

Pamela Galli wrote: Seems to be working well for you, Freya. I don't notice you saying inappropriate things. And by that I mean you don't seem to think you deserve special treatment... We see it all the time in this forum, maybe it is more prevalent among SLers. Thanks for the kind words. I have grown better at it, there's some regretful stuff in my posting history. One quick trick is to try and figure out how long I spend re-editing and rereading my posts. Every post. All the time. But I grow better at it, and I'm accustomed to passing it off as individual flare. You're right that I'm careful about the things that I deserve. While some of that links back to the interpersonal issues it's also because I've (for better or worse) found that even with the best intentions, patience and sympathy seem to be limited resources. I could probably write an essay or two on this, but to shorten - I think that given the prevailence of psychological difficulty present in our society (a quick statistic is that 1-in-4 suffer with mental illness at one point in their life), it's rational to accept that on some level, everyone will need to draw on this pool of 'special treatment' at one time or another. The trick, for me, is making sure I'm there for those who treat me specially and try and treat them with the same when they need it - and spread any surplus around. To some extent it's as much my responsibility to be understood, as it is for the other person to listen - there is usually some way I can work to make things easier. But it is work, and you have to be motivated and thorough and prepared to fail. I've seen this trend or trope ('more prevalent') applied to SLers, and while I don't fully disagree... I'm inclined to think that this is very normal across online spheres as a whole. When you're interacting face-to-face, one makes judgements on their face; brain-to-brain, one makes judgements on their brain. This forum is privileged (or cursed) with seeing a lot of the emotional sides of people, and people are often pretty screwy. Probably even more essays on that. Personally, I find most of you good company. :D (Just to add (perhaps for the OP, or others who struggle) that all of the above is my personal experience when choosing to make the decisions I've made in my life - it's my perspective, from how I feel today. Some will find more obstacles, some will find fewer.)

It's tough. But don't worry, I'm all out of rocks. In my head I drew equivilence with the LSL Scripting forum, which has a purpose distinct from Wanted and Inworld Employment. Art, Music and Photography is less clear (for all the reasons you listed), and I fully understand the logic in seeking to place posts in THAT forum as it may be the one that visitors go to, looking for that exact kind of thing. I can't say for sure. I accept that self-promotion will happen, it's the nature of self-powered creators and I dig that. I dig all of that. If I'm reading you right, then I agree with you that I don't think the approach is to add more rules, to explicitly moderate more closely (on the general principle that more participation = more success for everyone). I am more comfortable with amiguity. "Aggressive self-promotion" is a phrase from the CG that I feel matches some of my interactions here (I'm not asking you to agree, I'm self-justifying) - but that will always be a subjective line. The community here is smart folks, we find a balance in the end. I hope I've been clear that I don't really have any answers, but I'm happy to 'fire up' discussion. :):):matte-motes-evil:

0123Andressa wrote: our dear editor 0THELLA This is the most I've bitten my tongue in a really, really long time. I taste copper. 0123Andressa wrote: I think it's obvious that she is determined to promote the work of the artists who contribute to MAGE Magazine. I happen to agree that this is obvious, too.

It's a shame to see you run away from organic discussion, having only addressed the very smallest of criticisms of your brands activities. Most of the disturbance to this forum would have been created by having four threads created on this relatively benign issue, but I appreciate the attempted apology. As I said in my first post to you, I've nothing against people talking about their work or respectful attribution and even some publicity, as allowed by the Community Guidelines. My feeling was that by abusing the mechanisms of this forum (e.g. by reposting, by tagging Tamara's post 'cyber-bully' and by confusing constructive criticism with censorship) you're not a force for good here, but largely out to promote your brand at the expense of other users. I don't have any authority but I do consider myself an artist and I'm active within the Second Life community - I kind of wish I could leave this thread with another impression, but you've given no opportunity. These were the first posts of yours that I'd read, and they'll probably be the last. While it's funny to see an off-hand remark about forum policy turn into a game of accruing victim status and cross-thread drama, it's just not for me. I hope the artists behind your brand don't have to suffer under this atmosphere of unquesitoning belief over your current methods of gaining publicity. I know that we - as forum users - won't be suffering, we'll keep pointing out ways to make this forum better serve the residents of Second Life. I understand that marketing is difficult. I understand that balancing brand promotion and useful content is not something that comes immediately to everyone. I know that starting out a new venture is hard and that the low-hanging branches seem the most natural (and the cheapest). But I think that most endeavours grow better by listening to the ways that they could better serve the communities that they interact with, and by making reasonable accomodations to be respectful to other community members. I have only attempted discussing this with you because I believed it could lead to positive change for everyone, most of your potential reader-base probably wouldn't have spent this time, though they may have come to the same conclusions. At no point was I advocating censorship, nor was I ever attacking you or anyone else. I wasn't 'imposing' and I wasn't 'demanding', despite your reframing. Your opening post explained how you attempt to do business, and as a point of discussion I was giving my opinion on how you could consider better serving the community here (as a single, non-authoritive participant of the community), as well as those you represent. I don't feel that any of this was out of line, but if you perceived it as an attack then that's an unfortunate misunderstanding. You're right that I've a lot of experience in Second Life and its community - I've organised and operated publicity events for all kinds of companies, academic groups and charities. I've run product demonstrations, advertising campaigns, viral marketing; I've hosted blogs, built and ran marketing systems for in-world clubs, artists, musicians and authors; for family-types, for furries, for Goreans. I've built exhibits, I've presented shows and I've ran as street-team for more groups than I can name. I've worked with single creators and groups with 100+ staff, for places with traffic as low as single-digits, and as high as quintuple. You can choose to say that the contents of my posts were uninformed and unhelpful to you, but I can promise that my near-decade in Second LIfe has given me some relevant experience in discussing this subject - how you perceive this time I've spent trying to give my opinion is your choice. Have fun.

0THELLA wrote: My role as editor is to keep things organized and remidn people of deadlines and I take it upon myself to promote the magazine. That's a heirarchy. And authority. This isn't even an important part of my post. I don't know you or your venture, it doesn't matter to me how you arrange yourselves or how you generate publicity. I'm just giving feedback on your behaviour in this forum, based on my perspective as a fellow user. Because you appear to be asking for this feedback.

0THELLA wrote: Hi Freya, Thank you for your resonse. Let me address your first assumption that I represent a brand. MAGE Magazine is the name of the magazine, just as Freya Mokusei is the name of your avatar. If you use your name in posts are you trying to market yourself? The reason why I use the name MAGE Magazine in my posts is that so people can look for it in a Second Life search engine ... That's... a brand. You might use different terms, but if you're marketing a specific IDENTITY and drawing people to a website that you control, then you are PRODUCING A BRAND. It would be wrong for me to push my BRAND in the LSL Scripting forum, to talk about my work in-world and what I would charge, as well as trolling for jobs and directing people to my products - this would all be ethically wrong, and probably also against the Community Guidelines. So I don't do it. You're welcome to continue burying your heads in the sand, I just find that an unfortunate route to take for the innocent artists you claim to represent. I've tried to lay out the reasons I feel this is a mistake and will cost you more readers than you'll gain, but it's entirely your decision to make. Good luck with your venture.

To add, briefly (now that I've read more of what you're reacting to). I liked your post here: https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Art-Music-and-Photography/Does-anyone-know-where-I-can-find-out-more-about-Second-Life/m-p/3042438#M8764 That's what I was talking to about organic content. Aside from the minor quibble that you're linking outward rather than keeping discussion on this forum (a medium perfectly designed for discussion!) this is actually pretty good. It helps a user, presents a good point of view. However your other post, here: https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Art-Music-and-Photography/Be-an-artist-not-a-hater/m-p/3042436#M8763 This is silly, undermines your community's message and just sounds like juvenile name-calling. I don't know how this behaviour serves your brand, other than "not well" - it leaves a bad taste, and sounds like you're more interested in controlling the conversation than encouraging it. Again, very quick and easy examples of POSITIVE and useful content, and NEGATIVE unhelpful content that doesn't serve this forum or its users.

Got a reasonable idea what this post refers to, so sure, I'll bite. I'll try to be clear. My reading of your "venture" is that you represent a brand, presumably with some heirarchy and imagined authority at least amongst yourselves. It seems to rely on very weak (I assume because this is often equivilent to 'free') marketing methods, involving self-promotion on this forum and an in-world magazine of questionable value (it sounds like it costs you a lot to produce, and Second Life 'magazines' have never been effectively-implemented or useful formats for a lot of reasons listed in the following spoiler tag). They're not text, they're not searchable and can't serve any SEO purposes They take a long time to load each page They act clumsily as HUD objects which are hard to use, vs. webpages which everyone knows how to navigate. And mostly: They cost money per page, in an era where almost no mediums cost money to upload images OR text. These weak, expensive and untargetted marketing methods don't seem to be serving you well. If you're generating resentment in the areas where you do your marketing (as is my understanding) AND your brand is reliant on people within your industry maintaining respect for your message (which, it sounds like it is), you should probably review your marketing methods. Otherwise, public support will eventually erode and you'll appear to be a nuisence, rather than someone who adds value. The Second Life forum does allow advertisements, but only within certain forums. The Art, Music and Photography board is - as far as I can tell from the Community Guidelines - not one of these forums. It's therefore largely inappropriate to present and advertise 'brands' here, when instead you could focus on individuals and specific issues that affect singular artists within your brand. I understand that you're all volunteers, and therefore probably have no formal training in marketing or SEO. This is entirely fine, but it may be even more important to listen to feedback on your chosen methods because of this. Public opinion of your brand should be important to you, as should encouraging organic discussion vs. inorganic marketing 'spiel'. It's organic discussion that creates 'followers' and 'thought-leaders', people who can be present within your community, present strong ideas and help you to grow in ways that don't require 'man-at-desk' hours. If you foster discussion and add value to people outside of your community then you will reach more people, and more people will respect the things you promote. Your venture probably does have issues within it that merit attention and discussion here, provided it's done respectfully and within the terms of the CG. There probably are ways to do what you're doing in a way that doesn't annoy other users of this forum, or risk getting your posts removed by moderators for looking like self-promotion and spam - which I assume has happened a few times. I don't immediately have solutions to these problems (largely because they're not my problems). For clarity, I've no issue with community management, fund-raising, awareness or creating collectives within Second Life or Wix, or anywhere else. I don't know you, your brand, or your community. I speak only from my opinion of what I've seen here - on community.secondlife.com - within the last 24 hours. I hope this helps your understanding of these forums. I promise that I don't mean to sound harsh, only helpful. I only post this feedback here because it sounds like you're asking to receive some. At no point have I seen or encouraged specific attacks on any one person, or any brand - that's not my intention at all. If my input is not useful to you then please let me know in any way at all, and I'll go back to ignoring your content. If you DO have interest in discussing any of the content in my post, please do so here and in public. Thanks for listening.

Can appreciate this difficulty. Speaking personally, I've dealt with interpersonal problems for my entire life. Since I enjoy alone-time and rarely like to hold myself to other peoples' expectations it's not a huge issue, although one that has limited me in some ways. I agree with the more helpful posters in this thread - the best solution is to develop methods for your own day-to-day use, rather than rely on someone else to police your behaviour for you. So when I'm around new people or anonymous audiences (those who might not 'get it'), or in professional contexts, I tend to use a few small tricks:- Organise my thoughts - type things out first, without hitting return. Edit, delete until you're happy that you can't be misconstrued or misread. Find your position BEFORE engaging in a converrsation, and make sure you keep sight of it. Use mediums that normalise time-delays - When things are tough, avoid 'instant' communication styles (like local chat or voice) and instead use those that are accepting of asynchronous communication (like forums, SMS, email). Explain to friends how they can help you - Tell your friends/family (the people in your life who will listen to everything you have to say without freaking out) what's been happening, and explain that you don't like your own behaviour and would like their help. Ask them (nicely) to point out to you when they see you crossing lines. Use a safeword if that helps. Use patterns to make things easier - Find out what works. Typically, people like easy, almost pre-programmed conversation (e.g. conversation about the weather). When you find an awkward silence, rather than filling it with the contents of your thoughtstream - go to something easy and predictable for the other party. Disengage as necessary - Don't push yourself. If things are hard and getting harder, ask for a bit of time to think and come back to the issue. If people don't understand the need for this, disengage from them permanently; it's no fun walking into traps all the time. Self-interrogate - Most important! Find out what's in your brain, and what you're feeling. Try and figure out your motives for choosing the words you first chose (before editting) and spot patterns or risks before they become public. There are lots of other tricks, but I feel like finding your own style is important. So this is just a few. Good luck, and take things slow.

It's possible, then, that your thread attracted the perfect example. Given your post I'm not certain that reason will prevail in that case, but imagine there will be bumps felt under tyres. The CG is clearly and unequivocally on the side of organic content. It is up to individual users to ensure that they understand this going forward. People can push themselves into areas where definitions are grey, and against other users this works with some success. Some brands succeed just by badgering folks, but I agree that's a poor tone for the official forum, where a great many users are new and inexperienced, and would rather find helpful content that answers their queries and gives them direction, than any specific person's ego-trip. I'm not too afraid of fire, just wary of dividing things more.

Tamara Artis wrote: Point of the topic is the question why some people, including you, suddenly ignore Community Guidelines and probably, in some way, acting like elitist themselves thinking general rules don't apply to them? Ding. It takes a special sort to wander into this thread and still link outwards to promotional bodies and name-drop into oblivion. I also noticed two new inorganic, copy-paste threads appear, both stuffed with repeated and cluttering content. I didn't read that content. It doesn't read like useful, user-facing information. I assumed it was self-promotional and thus irrelevant to me. It doesn't promote discussion or invite interest in any way. I guess it does highlight my concern, that the inorganic content posted to this board is pervasive and will be hard to replace with content that's useful to the artist community in general, rather than people who've passed eMarketing 101. By contrast I like this thread. This is an example of the organic content that is interesting to other residents, promotes discussion and self-improvement. I appreciate that you care, Tamara. Other than identifying the difference in types of content, I'm not sure what I can do (and worry that I'm already starting fires...).

0123Andressa wrote: a minority of elitists who have nothing better to do than whine and pine for "the good old days". Instead of hating people who are good at playing the game, I try to learn from them. I don't think this is what's being said. It's certainly not being said by me, since I don't care about old days. Can guarantee I'm not elitist, and I think that's a silly and divisionist game to play on this issue. I understand that some folks are active in the art community, and some of those people are using the forum here as an advertising medium fairly inorganically. Those people include you, me and Tamara - who all can gain something from this board. The question, as I read Tamara's post, is how to encourage growth in general: organic growth and inorganic growth, without one crushing the other. I don't think anyone blames artists for 'playing the game' and wanting to be promoted, recognised and featured. If you're determined to play disingenous games and misrepresent other peoples' intentions then the conversation can continue without you.

Tamara Artis wrote: If you want to advertise your business, buy an ad like everyone else or put it in your signature. Mostly this. On the Merchants board, it's accepted that some people will talk about their stores at length. Sometimes that's fine, other times it feels aggressive. I'm not a merchant so I don't know that I can determine that line. I am an artist and musician, but I don't typically bring that content here, and don't know at what point it transgresses. In both cases I would be hesitant about adjusting the content posted to the boards (exception being clear abuse of the CG). I agree that repeated posts from singular sources (regardless of their output) damages the board rather than helps it. I would also add that traffic to this forum as a whole (community.secondlife.com) is very low in comparison with just about every other art service available to Second Life users (e.g. Instagram etc.). I don't know that 'exposure' would be a driving force behind posting here, other than as a 'last gasp' marketing strategy for those that don't know better and/or those who are unable to grow their own audiences organically.

Seems (from your profile) that you also represent one of the primary sources of self-promotional posts to this Art, Music and Photography board. Added already that I don't know if this is a bad thing for this board or not, but absolutely helps to be up-front about it.

You're welcome. Hope you two have a bundle of fun. I made some assumptions based on the terminology you used, and also popular behaviour in SL (most 'adoption' services are for Second Life child avatars). No need to read too far into those if they're not relevent.

Seems like this board sits in difficulty. I admit I don't read it regularly, and when I do am accustomed to seeing self-promotional posts. I don't know to what extent this harms the board, don't know where the boundary would be supposed to sit (how much of art discussion leads to/is initiated by intention for self-promotion?). Keeping a board clean is tough, don't rely on moderators to remove things for you. If there's something you like, work to protect it - don't expect things to change without application of force. Spammers can be discouraged, standards can be set.

Thanks for the info supplied. Your ISP (Com Hem AB) supply dynamic IP addresses, and it looks like your currently-assigned IP address was blocked by Second Life at some point in time, for some reason. The solution to this is to switch off your broadband modem or router, wait two minutes, and then switch it back on. Once connection is re-established, you will have a new IP address and you'll be able to enter Second Life. There's no need to contact support. This is Second Life's mistake, for attempting to place IP-bans on dynamic IP blocks. All it does is waste time, it doesn't reliably block anybody.

You can say that you are adopting another resident, and roleplay an adoption process and/or foster parent/child relationship. There is no official process, procedure or any rights endowed to either party. This is purely an imaginary (roleplayed) activity between two users of the platform. Both users retain their full autonomy, and either user can 'walk away' from the adoption for any reason (or no reason). This doesn't affect your account in any way - avatars have no family or familial structure (i.e., they're not "your child", they're "an avatar that looks like a child"). Any L$ spent, or time invested is entirely at your own risk.