Selene Gregoire
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3 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:
I lived through a chigger pestilence once as a youngster. I murdered a lot of chiggers. Never saw one again since. It was horrible! There must have been 10 trillion chiggers!
I'm the one they always attack first and by the time they are done feeding on me they aren't hungry so they leave everyone else alone. Same with the damn ants, skeeters, anything that flies and bites or stings.
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1 minute ago, Madelaine McMasters said:
When I was a child, and read books out in the back yard in summer, I'd occasionally find a mite scurrying across a page. I'd try to coax the li'l bugger to a spot in the text where it would act as a comma, changing the meaning of a sentence. Failing that, I'd chase it into a drawing or photograph, where it would appear as large as a dog or that elephant I'm not thinking about.
Chiggers. I freakin do not like chiggers.
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5 minutes ago, Caerolle Llewellyn said:
What is deadly about these two? They both look pretty, and pretty harmless, too.
Although perhaps the bottom one might be a piece of Kryptonite, I suppose...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmia_latifolia
https://www.the-open-mind.com/the-most-beautiful-but-deadly-crystals-on-the-planet/
Found a better link for the laurel.
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This thread has reminded me of the fact that the most beautiful things on Earth are also the most deadly.
Doesn't mean we can't appreciate the beauty while avoiding death.
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6 minutes ago, kiramanell said:
I'm not sure where your notion is coming from that beauty should not be part of art, but I certainly didnt say so. Besides (not wanting to fall into thre trap of using a Leerformel myself here), beauty is itself a tricky concept. A piece of art can look physically mundane, but be beautiful for what it represents. Like I said, though, not sure coming up with a gorgeous interior design is art per se, any more than shopping for some very slick combo of clothes is. The latter may show I have a good eye for fashion, but I wouldn't really call myself an artist because of it.
You may not call yourself an artist. Others may see it differently. I'm one of those that do. Everything that constitutes a painting is there. Form, color, technique, brush, canvas, gesso... everything except the oil paints. Oil paints, water colors, acrylics, fabrics, wallpapers, wood finishes are the medium, not the art.
Within your medium you are an artist. That is how you define art if there is such a thing as defining art.
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17 minutes ago, kiramanell said:
As I specifically said, "I don't think we need to come up with an all-encompassing definition of art per se; but in a narrower, practical sense of what art(s) should be endowed by LEA, at some point, sooner or later, someone will have to be tasked with the ungrateful job of thinking of at least some sort of definition of what goes, and what doesn't."
If not, like I said, I could just submit my own sim, call it art, and say "You cannot refuse it, as it must be all inclusive." Nobody ever likes to hear it, but I don't see a way the LEA could ever get past at least defining some practical criteria.
Not posting this to be insulting. Last week was about as *****ty as it comes and today has been worse so I'm doing it this way so I don't say something I can't take back and don't really mean.
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23 minutes ago, kiramanell said:
Even though I *do* always agree on each point Scylla makes, LOL, in all seriousness, I don't see her slamming doors 'in many creators faces' at all, or being disrespectful to anyone. From the get-to, she's fervently argued against elitsm, and pro inclusiveness. The problem, way I see it, lies in this particular sentence of yours:
"Again. It must be all inclusive, or it is not an endowment for the arts."
In lawschool, ths might have served as good example of typical Leerformeln. It seems a fair statement at first glance, but is 'empty' nonetheless, as you want to be 'all-inclusive' regarding the endowments of the arts, yet you do not first define what 'art' is. Scylla has (rightfully so) been rather reticent to try and define 'art' (I nean, when have you ever seen a discussion like that end well?!). So, I don't think we need to come up with an all-encompassing definition of art per se; but in a narrower, practical sense of what art(s) should be endowed by LEA, at some point, sooner or later, someone will have to be tasked with the ungrateful job of thinking of at least some sort of definition of what goes, and what doesn't. Otherwise, it would become just a free-for-all, where basically every sim could be submitted for endowment.
That is two sentences and the first is connected to the sentence before it not the one after.
- LEA will fail. Again.
- It must be all inclusive, or it is not an endowment for the arts.
Which means LEA can NOT specifically define what art is. Which means LEA can NOT exclude ANY medium whether it be what you call decorating or landscaping or making mud pies out of clay or some other form of creativity. Art is creativity. Creativity is art. The two can NOT be separated and that is precisely what is being attempted here. And that is what will cause LEA to fail a second time. Second as in again.
ETA:
Mission: According to the NEA website, the organization “funds, promotes, and strengthens the creative capacity of our communities by providing all Americans with diverse opportunities for arts participation.”
Mission: From the NEH website: “The National Endowment for the Humanities serves and strengthens our nation by supporting high quality projects and programs in the humanities and by making the humanities available to all Americans.”
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15 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:
No, but this still doesn't negate their humanity, their worth and the people they will have touched. If anything, it might even strengthen it.
I can't say anything that will undo a lifetime of damage, but I can tell you something you obviously don't hear enough: I believe you and it wasn't your fault.I'm not the one who needs to hear these things. It's the ones who do/did the damage that need to hear and listen. Too late now for most of them as they all died. Including the two worst.
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14 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:
I'm sorry to hear all that and I hope that worst case scenario doesn't happen. (Are there any charities you could turn to?) The fact remains, though, that none of that - s***ty and unfair and unbearable as it may be - has any bearing on your innate and infinite human worth. You've obviously had a lifetime of being told otherwise and that's had the same effect it would have on anyone else. But just because people with a vested interest tell you something does not make it true, and just because something happened does NOT mean you deserve it or were responsible for it.
Your worth and your humanity are intact, and anyone who doesn't understand that has lost some of their own.
I grew up in the deep south, a Lakota child in an all white family. The only First Nations in the whole Parish (not counties). I was not allowed to associate with any First Nations. I don't think I need to say more.
Zintkála Nuni's story is my story. Not all Lost Birds find their way home.
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41 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:
Of course, but just because YOU felt lost in the crowd doesn't mean nobody else noticed you were there.
Perhaps not consciously. Still, I don't believe anyone with the life experience you've had has nothing to show for it, even if you don't see the currency yourself.
I can't prove this conclusively, of course, but neither can you. I think you and your life have infinite and innate human worth, and you can't stop me. So there.Amina, no one noticed. I would have known if they did.
Believe it because it is true. I have nothing to show for my life experiences.
I've had no worth since I was a 14 year old virgin. I was damaged goods. Things back then were not like they are now when many people don't see rape victims as damaged goods. I've paid that price for 46 years on top of being the one to sacrifice everything so that everyone else can have what they want and need.
There is so much about me that no one knows. I can't say anything. If I do say anything then it all becomes my fault and I have only myself to blame for being messed up. Or so I am told. Apparently I was wrong for wanting to have older brothers who would actually stick up for me and look out for me rather than doing everything they could to see to it that I would never be anything. Including making damn sure I would never have a family of my own.
I know you mean well Amina and I do appreciate it. The fact remains my life has been one huge *****ehole. and it isn't going to get better. Right now, things are bad enough I just sold my car to pay this months bills. If something doesn't give soon, I will lose my home and what few possessions I have left, including the dresser and nightstand that belonged to my mother when she was a child, next month.
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5 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
Selene, I'm going to keep this short and to the point.
I've nowhere said that your art will not produce any new meaning.
I've nowhere even addressed your work at all. I've never seen it.
The whole point of my choosing to talk about "creativity" rather than "art" was to insist upon a more inclusive understanding of what is at stake here.
You of course have the choice of buying into Par's deliberate misapplication of the point I was making, and his completely unnecessary and frankly malicious reference to your work -- which, to repeat, I have never seen and was certainly not commenting upon.
Or, you can take a deep breath or two, and consider in the rational light of what I've actually said here, whether or not I have personally attacked you.
Your choice. For what it's worth, I hope you take the second.
I never said you attacked me. You are completely missing what I am saying. My words have nothing to do with Par. They have everything to do with something you have been saying all through this thread but only a few have really caught on to. You may not realize how many doors you are slamming in many creators faces. Even so you are hurting people and you don't seem to know it or care.
If LEA is going to start excluding particular mediums then LEA is going to fail. Again. It must be all inclusive, or it is not an endowment for the arts. It becomes nothing more than the masturbatory exercise of a few. Something I will never support.
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1 minute ago, Amina Sopwith said:
Forgive me...my understanding was that you have an RL partner?
I don't know you, of course, but from your posts you certainly seem to have had an eventful life so far. I can't believe that you've touched nobody along the way.Ever been alone in a crowd? Yeah, that. 24/7/365
Whatever I may have accomplished didn't have any lasting effects. No one remembers. No one cares.
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2 minutes ago, Zeta Vandyke said:
Done with my backyard....for now
Where's the
poolcabana boy who should be mowing the grass?-
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31 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:
That is a succinct (and more frightening) restatement of the fear that I voiced earlier today ^^ . I hope that we are both wrong.
Chances are you are wrong for yourself.
There is no doubt in my mind that I will die alone and unloved. The only part that hasn't happened yet is the dying.
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2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
Who has said that it didn't?
Selene, please reread what I said. I didn't say it had "no meaning." I said it doesn't produce new meanings in the way that art does.
I have no idea whether what you produce is "art" or "design." I've never seen anything you made; I'm in no position to judge. And the line is often blurry: it's a lot easier to talk about what art is in the abstract than it is to determine whether any given work belongs to one category or another. And frequently, as in the Yves Saint Laurent, it might belong to both.
Frankly, Par's introduction of you into his example is entirely gratuitous, and seemingly almost designed to make it seem as though I was insulting you. Your work -- which again, I've never seen and am in no position to judge -- had zero bearing on my original comments. Pretending that it did, as Par is frankly insinuating, is not merely incorrect: it's also frankly disingenuous and more than a bit crappy.
It's also crappy when you tell an artist her work will not produce any new meaning. So you are all invited to a bonfire this evening when I'll be burning all of my canvases, oil paints, sketch pads, acrylics, glazes etc. All of it. Every paint brush and scrap of paper.
Words have meanings. Your words have more meaning than you want people to realize. You hurt people with your words. You hurt artists with your words. But who cares who gets hurt along the way as long as LEA keeps hitting a brick wall.
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1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
Well, ok. Possibly. I've been wrong before.
(Very rarely, of course.)
So it's not wrong to tell any artist or creator that their work has no meaning for anyone. Got it.
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1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
is that art takes its materials and gives them new meanings. Design, on the other hand, is perhaps most accurate described as a way of integrating materials -- in this case, mesh objects such as bridges, or paintings, or other things that may or may not themselves actually be art -- and producing harmonious and aesthetically pleasing effects that, mostly, do not produce new meaning.
You could not be more wrong. Everything I do has meaning and produces meaning for others, new and old.
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3 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:
What movie is that from?
Animal House
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6 minutes ago, pinkpatrol said:
What kind of radioactive, super mutant Chernobyl rat is that?
Not, but seriously. What animals is that? I've been trying to figure it out for five minutes.
Nutria aka Coypu. They are very aggressive and will mess you up. They are capable of killing humans.
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4 hours ago, BelindaN said:
Blighters is more of a Jeeves and Wooster posh schooling group.
Yorkshire is way more direct. It rhymes with truckers.
Oh so yer da muddertruckers that started it all.
Got it! Thanks!
/me runs off in search of
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5 minutes ago, BelindaN said:
Oh and I'm also from Yorkshire, where we call everyone Love.........
So yer the blighters who started it all.
It is blighters right?
*googles*
Oh...
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12 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
I kind of love the instant derail happening here.
Which is fine. Maybe what we all really need, and truly deserve, is a thread devoted to GIFs and pics of Jason Momoa ripping off his pants?
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12 minutes ago, BelindaN said:
I got told off for saying bulls**t in a G rated sim early on.
Bullsheet.
/me runs
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What's your biggest fear?
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Posted · Edited by Selene Gregoire
Once they get on you, it's over. And you don't see them until they are on you. And they are everywhere. Trees, bushes, flowers, grass. Everywhere. Best thing to do is fill a tub with warm water and add bleach, then soak the body. Be sure to shower and wash with soap after. Then grab the calamine lotion. And BE A PINK SKIN.