LittleMe Jewell

How is it not a grey area? If an avatar gets reported for going to an Adult region and they appear like they might be RPing under 18, then LL has to do all sorts of research to determine if said avatar is truly RPing an under 18 person or if they just "sort of" look like it but all other actions indicate they are RPing over 18. If an avatar appears as possibly under 18, then it is not clear cut and LL must do some analysis before making a decision.

The more that I go over this in my mind, what you describe is how I thought it worked. Wearing an alpha "layer" would all get baked along with skin, tattoo layers, undie layers, clothing layers, and universal layers. So there should never be any way for the person to rez only showing their old system skin if they have other 'layers' on also. ???

The IMs are most definitely saved on the server, not encrypted (even if you have told the viewer to save your IMs to your computer). They could have programs that scan IMs looking for certain words and then if found, a person would then have to manually read things to confirm what did or did not happen. My understanding though is that the majority of any pedo action really happens with the chat portion being outside of SL. So reading thru chat and IM logs would mostly be to try to determine if a child avatar intentionally went to an adult location or other things that would not be appropriate.

Nevermind

Ahh, that makes sense. So it is really just the alpha cuts (via body HUDs) that don't rez until the mesh body does (or in extreme lag areas, might not every get applied). I often forget that the alpha layers we wear are BOM 'layers'.

The reason "late teen" ages are discussed so much is because that is really the grey area in all of this. It is almost always very obvious if someone is playing a child under the age of 15. However for anyone playing a child 15-17, it can be hard to distinguish them from folks playing an 18 yr old. Where the person playing the 15-17 yr old must be in compliance of the child avatar policy, someone playing an 18 yr does not need to be in compliance with that policy.

Only in anime/furry/other bodies that are not based on RL humans.

In thinking about this, it makes perfect sense - but had not previously occurred to me. I will now be adding BOM undies to whichever outfits I have that were relying on a alpha layer. It also made me wonder about my "invisible" outfit. I checked the skin on that one, and it is a solid white skin, so even if it rezzed before the alpha took effect, there is still nothing to see.

Unfortunately, if a wedding wants to have children participating or attending, then the wedding will need to not happen in an Adult rated region.

Well, since I cultivated my own RL just turned 18 yr old I am not. If you lined all their friends up together male, female and trans) there is just no way to tell but since it is my region, I will observe their behavior and then make a judgement call. That is all parcel owners can do - and is actually something many have been doing for a couple of decades anyway.

I had to add this comment on the thread: I just got to the top of page 85 and that post says it was " 1 hour ago " - and the thread is already at 89 pages. Wow - 5 pages in one hour.

I thought the same for quite a while, but after thinking about it: The goal of the pedophile is to have sexual encounters with what they perceive as a child. If the 'child' is willing, the child could be coerced into removing their BOM undies, letting the perv fantasize easier. With a skin or body that never allows the undies to go away, the perv will have a harder time fantasizing about it. So, it seems to be mostly about making things harder on the pedophiles.

It has to do with the wording about the modesty layer: Yes, BOM undies would keep the avatar from ever being nude to others and SHOULD suffice, but the above wording says differently because the child wearing the undies can remove them.

I'm still many pages behind, but just in case everyone managed to skim over your post: It is in the FAQ:

People can be banned from the forums and SL for days/weeks over posts in the forums - including personal attacks. I know from personal experience (due to a post that was seen as a personal attack). And just ask @Phil Deakins how many times he's been banned from the forums & inworld for posts.

Then you most definitely should avoid this thread

That's how the forums work for threads like this that accumulate pages in just a few hours. We respond as we read - easier than trying to do "multi quote" of lots of comments.

They did. Anyone RP in SL as an avatar under the age of 18 is considered a 'child avatar', so the rules apply.

i think your conclusion is debatable, because we can read it in two ways ; if it's a combination of the two the word "and" wouldn't be there and just say "or". With the word "and" is makes the activity required to be present, and the "or" confirms the activity as main reason. Using "and/or" means 'one or the other or both'. i.e. Engaging or participating in any event or location where nudity is present, encouraged and/or expected. Engaging or participating in any event or location where sexual activity is present, encouraged and/or expected. Engaging or participating in any event or location where nudity and sexual activity is present, encouraged and/or expected.

#1-4 rinse/repeat............ rinse/repeat.......... etc...

See my previous post - the one right above this one

Not only that, but they are not allowed to be around nude avatars either:

But any method can actually be gotten around. The resulting body and/or skin still has to allow for BOM layers - in order to wear BOM clothing and that layer will lay on top of the modesty layer. Thus someone could create a tattoo layer that covers up the modesty stuff and provides genitals. Yes, that would be a violation and if said avatar got caught, they would be banned. But it is still possible.

It hasn't been said LOTS, but it has been said a few times here.