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Phil Deakins wrote: it's perfectly true. and the good thing about it is that since the change, coders are now writing really tight and efficient scripts for the top end products that when all scripts are lagged then those scripts that can execute and complete in the tiny time available to them each, massively now out-perform the scripts that are inefficient. Which is a good thing

Conifer Dada wrote: What I wonder is how to get the message across to people that if they load their avs with too much stuff, some of the people they're trying to impress will see them as jelly babies! Weeell it just doesn't work that way ok ! Dahlinks !!! if you are too poor to afford to view my gorgeousness then I am sorry ok. But yanno !! Is like the signs at some fashion events: Please to remove all unnecessary stuff to help reduce lag Fashionista goes: hmm! I am not wearing anything unnecessary soooo! and then goes I wish all these obviously unfortunate people would just like leave, so I can get my shopping done !! just a story about this from back in the day prim eyelashes. At least 40 prims for each top and bottom times two. 160 prims minimum. 200+ even. Each of them edit moved individually and positioned. Would take hours to get them exactly perfectly placed a guy at the time asked: What !!! 160 prims just for eyelashes. Who does that ?!? and his partner replied: I do dear, because I can

Rya Nitely wrote: And I think a lot of people would find it comforting that there is a thread on the subject so that they can find out what others think agree. Is an interesting topic for discussion and speculation some history in the 1st 18 months of Lindex the L$ depreciated from 1:200 to 1:300. Then Anshe Chung got upset. Her revenues had dropped by about $US5,000 a month. So she said that if LL didnt do something to stabilise the market then she would create her own inworld tokens and back them with hard cash and Supply Linden was born the back story is here: http://forums-archive.secondlife.com/130/5f/97111/14.html Anshe Chung had a point back then. LL were gearing up to print new sims, mega expansion, and you can't have both at the same time. A super expansion of new sims and a continually depreciating currency in which tenant parcel rentals are paid also I read somewhere else once (cant remember exactly now) it recovered to 1:270 pretty quickly then tighten to 1:240 and then drifted out to 1:260, and then was a long slow appreciation to 1:247 where it stayed for quite a while (the ongoing shrinkage of sims over the period had a lot to do with this I think), and now the L$ is depreciating again the big question for sure is what is Supply Linden doing ? a) is Supply Linden totally out of the market and residents are dumping ? Not likely b) or is it that Governor Linden has told her Minister of the Exchequer to get into some quantative easing, to help alleviate the suffering of her remaining consumer subjects with the last remaining not maxxed out RL credit cards ? Possible but only in part c) or has the Governor been advised by her Minister of Lands that his projection is that the end to land shrinkage is in sight, due to the success of the tiers reduction programme for private sims. That the long term projection is that the total land mass has stabilised and no future significant sim shrinkage or sim growth is forseeable. Accordingly, with a stable land mass (a amelioration of resident-to-resident rental competition), a depreciation of L$ is now in order, to stimulate the share of L$ spend toward inworld and marketplace consumer purchases of content and services Curious minds what want to knows (: ps. I think it's actually c), assuming that there is a rational reason for what's happening

polysail wrote: All current mesh heads ( human and non-human alike ) are either completely static and boring or they have complex multilayered meshes that are used to fake playing animations. That's how non-human avatars blink, smile, open their mouths, pretend to talk. Those polys are wasted and inefficient. Removing them because they will be replaced by an efficient bone and animation system reduces the render cost of the avatar. . i just start with saying that I think Bento is brilliant and is well worth the resources that LL have/are putting into it, and all the effort and time that residents have also put into it also is time well spent this said, its not going to turn out how you might be thinking here people are going to take everything available to them in Bento, and then they will make even complex multi-layered meshes and overlay them to simulate even more complex morphs and when they do then things are going to get even more busy And then the LL dev team are going to go: oh! man. These people are just so arrrrghh! And then some newbie junior LL dev is gunna say: umm! why didnt we just give them the ability to create customs morphs in the first place ?! And then a senior oldbie LL dev will probably turn the fire hose on them (:

Chavo19 wrote: To me it appears it's market manipulation being done with between 80 and 100 million linden which would then beg the question. Who has a lazy 80 to 100 million L$ (320 - 500K US$ approx.) to do this ? eta: if was a resident speculator then who buys 500K USD worth of L$ for their own purposes ? They would have to be able to 'short' these to other residents. Buy at 1:251, sell at 1:247, or about

on my neko outfit I am 121,063 complexity i have a 660GTX when on my own by the ocean then on default recommended graphics Shadows Projectors (mod to non-imposters set to No Limit which is how I prefer it) the FPS is 68 when in crowded places where some people are over 200,000 complexity then it slows down to about TV rates of 24 FPS. It can get down to 16FPS in really stressed out places, but I find that when the FPS drops below 16 then I am going to get a TDR graphics crash most times anyways so altogether I am not going to worry about it much at all this said I think that as a guide tool for content makers going into the future then its pretty good thing but for me personally right now I am not going to fuss about it, or fuss about anyone who is currently blinged out with current content ps. I will most likely get a 1070 card next soon hope so, and worry about it even less

Rya Nitely wrote: From September 2011 to September 2015 the L$ has sold steadily around 247 to 248. This was very stable, as Qie pointed out. During this same period the Australian dollar has gone from AUD$0.93 to AUD$1.40 per US$1.00 Huge fluctuations, yet the L$ did nothing over this period. However, I'm not complaining as the AUD/US exchange rate is good for me as a merchant. hi aussie (: yes definitely its been good over the last few months to be buying AUD with your earned USD. Conversely has not been great for Aussie consumers buying USD. Has been the inverse for NZers. Altho I think the USD v NZD bottomed out at 1.43. Could be a dead cat bounce tho (profit taking) maybe dunno. if I knew the exact answers to all this stuff then I would like one of them ebil 0.000000001 % ers. I would have like zillions of money, and I would have bought SL off LL ages ago, and I would be the boss of the world, and all them SL devs would have to do what ever I wanted (:

Rya Nitely wrote: I don't understand how the buy-down fee is causing the current blip? it wouldn't be the only reason, it would be a contributing factor tho. 160,000L seems like a lot, but for the estates is not a whole lot of L$. About the monthly rental for about 2 sims i think that the smaller estates are maybe cashing their L$ more frequently, to convert their higher tiered sims to the lower tier rate as quickly as they can. The reason being that when they do this they are able to compete, against the larger grandfathered estates, sooner on parcel rental price

Qie Niangao wrote: It's actually the last couple years that the US$ has been especially strong against the Euro. It was all the way back to the 2008 recession that the US$ gained against the Pound Sterling. And the L$ has been stable against the US$ through much of that until recently -- but as we've seen (above) from historic Lindex data, the L$ was much weaker than this in 2009, too, for a while, until these past few years of extreme stability. Across the street, there's speculation that the current blip is caused by folks cashing-in L$s to take advantage of the grandfathered rate buy-down offer. Makes some sense to me; I've certainly heard a lot of Estate owners exercising that option. If that's true, then the rate is likely to revert to status quo ante, which might be a rare opportunity to make money on the Lindex, for those bold enough to speculate. That's not me, that's for sure, and I'd never recommend that. I don't think the Lindex has much resemblance to a currency exchange, and even if it did, there's a risk of betting against the "central bank" -- a sure way to lose your shirt! on the first. Yes that makes sense. Demand for US$ would be high at the moment for the sim/estate owners + just on the foreign thing. I am bit biased in my thinking. Over the last month or so then there has been a uptick in the value of the US$ against the basket of other currencies. I am pretty sensitive to this myself when I have to buy stuff online priced in US$ like on 7 Sep 2015 the exchange was 1 USD = 1.59 NZD. 19 Oct 2015 = 1.47. 27 Jan 2016 = 1.55. 1 May 2016 = 1.43. 18 May = 1.48. Is pretty volatile for me. Same as lots of other countries + i also agree about speculation against/with the L$. Supply Linden does a pretty good job of ameliorating volatility in the L$ market I think tho that 250L ( or even maybe as high as 260L) might be the new normal for quite a while. Is less new US$ coming into LL itself overall, so it would make sense for the new dollar introducers to get more L$ for their money eta: by this I mean that the more L$ a person gets for the same US$ then the more L$ they have to spread round. More share the love, than not

Elinah Iredell wrote: I do not feel ready for a mesh body as of yet and the reason why is that when there is lag the mesh body hangs in pieces with body parts floating in the air in a creepy looking manner around your avatar and it will be completely naked, then for a while after it forms around your avatar it will remain completely naked for all to see before the clothes finally are put on. That is how it looks to others in world when you are walking around. I do not find that appealing. this a valid point, and is why I struggle with getting a mesh body myself. If I do want to get nekkid then I rather do that deliberately by choice rather than incidentally is reminiscient really of the pre-outfit pre-bake clothing layer era, when sometimes you would appear dressed on your screen but on others screens then nekkid due to them not getting the clothing layers i think that in time, LL devs will fix the issue with mesh layers and alphas from my pov the new viewer jelly baby codes is foundational to this I think. Like the next step would be to render the avatar as a jelly baby until all the textures that make up the Outfit have been downloaded and composited, and when so then it renders them fully composited (dressed) basically I would rather be a fully-formed single-color grey ( jelly baby) on others screens than a incidental nekkid or a alpha cut to pieces victim of a chainsaw maniac --||-

Pamela Galli wrote: in order to sell, there must be buyers. yes. agree as somebody mentioned way earlier and at other times, the L$ is depreciating against the US$ inline with non-US currencies as demand for US$ strengthens due to international market conditions at the depth of the recent US recession (banking crisis, quantitative easing, growth slump, etc) the price of US$ (in foreign currencies overall) fell. In the last few months the US$ price (in foreign currencies) has risen, as the US economy begins to recover it costs more now to buy US$ than it did a few months ago. Therefore given that a person has now bought US$ with their foreign currency and wishes to sell them for L$, then they would expect to get more L$ for their US$ than they would in previous months. As would a US resident holding (now-in-demand) US$ ordinarily. And further also given the economy sluggishness of the SL economy given that the L$ has depreciated by only about 3/247ths against the US$ over this long RL recession period then is not too bad really

often when this happens can quick fix the mesh by right-click on the mesh and Edit, which will force a redraw of the selected object, and then close the Edit dialog if you cant select the mesh directly itself then select edit a HUD object and with the Edit dialog open then can usually select Edit the mesh object

if you are going to get a bit skimpy clothed (like beachwear) then you might think about getting a mesh body. They do correct a few flaws in the standard avatar. Better shaped ankles, wrists, hands, toes, groin area and can get a better bosom shape as well. Better being subjective of course if you don't get skimpy clothed then a standard avatar is pretty ok. In terms of skins pretty much all the fav skin designers make the same styled skins and makeups for both standard and the most popular mesh bodies. So in terms of texture detail then they are equivalent here is my new reborn-again neko self which I put together out of freebie everything. Standard avatar

seems what you have is 3 attachments. A HUD (button), a sheathed weapon and a weapon in hand. The sheathed and hand weapon show/hide (with appropriate animation) when the commands "draw" and "sheath" are typed on channel 65 and what you want to do is click the HUD button to issue the commands, and not have to type the commands in chat ?! if so then in the weapon(s) script(s) change the channel they listen on from 65 to the same as COM_CHANNEL in the HUD script a normalised HUD (button) script (which you kinda basically have done already) is something like: integer COM_CHANNEL = -12345;integer switch;default { touch_start(integer total_number) { string cmd; if (switch) { cmd = "draw"; } else { cmd = "sheath"; }; llSay(COM_CHANNEL, cmd); // tell the weapons script(s) what to do llOwnerSay(cmd); // tell the owner the last command switch = !switch; // flip the switch }} and other than changing the channel no. in the weapons script(s) you shouldn't have to do anything else to them, for them to work out-the-box

yes. you pretty much onto it i just add that using separate variables for each particle param list means that we can't reference them from a single piece of code without creating a whole bunch of IF statements a struct list is the way to go to avoid this. Some p-code example: list table = [ params for effect 1, params for effect 2, ... params for effect N];// when the length of the stride (record) is equal for all then // is the same as a table of fixed length records. // Each record can be read by multiplying the ordinal // index (recnum) by the length of the record. Example:integer reclen = 10; // or whichever integer recnum = 0; // or whicheverinteger recpos = recnum * reclen;// 0 * 10 = 0; 0 + (reclen-1) = 9;// 1 * 10 = 10; 10 + (reclen-1) = 19; etc // when the length of the 'record' is unequal // (some 'records' have more elements/fields than others // then need a second list to index the 'table'list recpositions = [0, 8, 15, 23, ..., N]; // where N is the last element // and contains the length of the table list recnum = 1; // or whichever recpos = llList2Integer(recpositions, recnum);reclen = llList2Integer(recpositions, recnum + 1) - recpos; // example read list record = llList2List(table, recpos, recpos + reclen); llParticleSystem(record); eta p-code typo

particles are a property of the prim, not the script(s). A script is used to apply the particle property parameters to the prim. Once the properties are applied then the script is no longer needed. So if use multiple scripts then is kinda overkill, when the parameters can be stored in another form i take your point about notecards in a sale object tho. In this case then I probably go with a struct in a list eta: by struct I mean a strided list (is how LSL refers to this) http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlList2ListStrided has good examples of how strided lists are constructed and used

without seeing some part of the scripts where you think the issue might be then it's pretty hard to give you a exact pointer but generally tho the HUD does need to send a message on a channel that the melee weapons can hear. llRegionSayTo is a good place to start looking at this http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlRegionSayTo

my preference is to go with the least number of scripts. So if can achieve the goal with 1 then go with 1 if have 10s/100s of different effects then could think about putting all the effects parameters and texture uuids in a struct contained in notecard(s) in the object contents. Then only need 1 script to read and execute them all. When create a new effect then is just a matter of adding (or amending) a notecard

Chrismaky wrote: Do you think there should be a push to make SL 100% mesh? No. Mesh is cool for sure, and so are prims for those of us who still like to build inworld am pretty sure tho you are going to love Sansar when it opens it gates wider at the end of this year about. Project Sansar, the new total mesh thingy that LL are building for people such as yourself

yes it may be that the coding implementation is done at a future time. The thinking about how it might be done and catered for in the design being done now is how these kinda issues are typically approached, so that when resources are available to do the code implementation and testing then there is a design consideration already in place for the work on the second point in the case of multiple heads, then the best practice for conflict resolution is the least restrictive premise. Example: Head A, the slider setting is [40,60]. The viewer slider can be moved between 40 and 60 and Head A responds accordingly take off Head A and wear Head B Head B, the slider settings is [0,0]. The viewer slider can't be moved wear Head A and Head B together. The viewer slider can be moved between 40 and 60. Head A responds, Head B does not a more complex example: Head B the slider setting is [10,20]. Head A is [40,60] the viewer slider can move between 10 and 60. When the viewer slider moves above 20 Head B does not respond. When the viewer slider goes below 40 Head A does not respond eta: the word settings, to make clear how a single UI control can be used to manipulate multiple dependent objects simultaneously

polysail wrote: Sadly that would require modifying the mesh uploader extensively to read a DAE file with that embedded data in it. Also that DAE file would no longer be a standardised XML DAE file that every mesh program in the world knows how to make. So it would require creating some sort of bizarro custom DAE File format for SL use only. Then writing exporters for 3ds max, maya Lightwave and Blender to write said bizarro DAE files. It's really not possible to do anything like this within the release time frame that Bento is shooting for. If you have an actual mechanical methodology for how this would be implemented that doesn't involve suddenly making proprietary collada files ~ by all means file a feature suggestion JIRA! it wouldn't break the collada dae spec as such. User extensions are integral to the collada spec there is provision already in the skin block that would probably work as a start basis for this. "alt_inverse_bind_matrix". According to the wiki the rotational and scaling components are unused, so I think that would be the place to start thinking about ways to implement it. If not already i just say that I am not any kinda modeller as such, more a coder i only suggest this because Vir Linden said that integrating viewer slider control is a recent thought for them as a team, so I think it would be reasonable to at least consider some kinda designer range control over how the users' sliders influence the avatar models made

i suppose we could be a fan of competent music stream programming. And when we encounter this then we might even idolise the practitioner. Become their groupie even (:

Vir Linden wrote: Gaia is correct that extensive slider support for Bento was not something we had originally planned to do. We would like it to be as useful as possible, though, so we have the question of what the best practices are, and whether there is anything else we can do in the viewer to make it work better. If anyone wants to discuss these issues live I've added the topic to the Bento User Group meeting for this week. dunno if this hasn't already been considered. I just put it out here in case it hasn't already, as a thought slider metadata could be included in the mesh model which allows the designer to control/limit the degree to which the wearer can manipulate the viewer sliders while wearing the model. [0] to disable this slider, range [40..60] for this slider, etc if so then would probably make things a lot easier for both designers and wearers i think also that it would make it easier as well for the animators of a particular model, knowing that there are some designer-intended bounds for the model that the wearer can't inadvertently go beyond thru manipulating the sliders

Krash1989 wrote: I personally understand both sides to the argument while some DJs prefer to just mix, while some like the idea of interacting with their fans on a voice level. I personally prefer to let the music keep going, and interact with the fans while I DJ via local chat. it can be both, however with local chat then need to take your hostie (if you have one) into account. You don't what to come over the top of them too much with voice I think that the 3-song bracket (10-15 duration minutes typically) is pretty much been tried and proven over decades of radio station play. In the break between each bracket, announce whats coming, run the venue ads, any relevant patron/hostie thankies and hiyas. Using local chat for more immediate thankies, and or general conversation which is not tied to the session itself

Phil Deakins wrote: DJs have fans? Why? Surely it's the music that has fans. DJs merely put it on. That said, of the choices given, I would prefer a DJ to speak, especially if s/he has some personality. I could understand a DJ with a well defined personality having fans - because of the personality, but not because s/he plays songs. Anyone can do that, so I can't see such a DJ having any fans. Friends who go their gigs, yes, but not fans. A SL DJ is the equivalent of a RL club DJ and also a radio station music programmer. Getting the mix of music right is pretty critical to which station we tune into and/or which club we go to for example with SL, most patrons who tip generously are older people, 40+ yo. So for example if you DJing a rock club then your mix needs to be biased toward 80s rock bands, with some few later more modern tracks, rather than lots of more modern stuff probably the least played rock music styles in SL are alt and emo. Mostly because with older patrons these are the styles that their teens and now 20-somethings children listen too. And is a bit disconcerting (sad even maybe) for parents to get snapped rocking out to their teen kids music. SL rock club DJs have a understanding of this country music club example. If playing the lateshift (10pm to 6am weekdays) then the patrons/listeners are attending/listening while winding down before bed, so have to playlist a lot of slower ballady stuff as opposed to more uptempo tracks if the club is techno and is lots of women present then need to mix a lot of trance into the playlist rather than hardstyle and so on when a SL DJ seems to manage all this well then typically it turns out that they also have RL experience, as a RL club DJ and/or radio station programmer fan might not be the exact word in the context you have given to understand, but good DJs do get a following in both SL and RL even if when they never say hardly anything