Avatar tracker, is it against TOS or not?

[Coby Foden]

Happened to see this in the Marketplace:

"Your SLAVTracker queries the Second Life grid, recording the login status of avatars in your SLAVTracker avatar list. This list is administared by you from a website and can include ANY second life avatar, even avatars that are not on your friends list or appear hidden. The login information is stored in our database allowing you view the dates, times and duration of an avatars presence in Second Life."

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/SLAVTracker-The-simple-web-enabled-avatar-monitoring-system/1881885?ple=h

What do you think, is this against TOS?

[Ceka Cianci]

just looks like it is gathering grid data and not personal information or alt detecting..

i don't think it's against the TOS..

but it sure sounds like a drama queens dream tool lol

[Wildcat Furse]

it's a handy management tool for slave owners .... but no it is not against the TOS!!! :smileyhappy: *meows*

PS. .... /me goes back in-world tracking and counting slaves ... 3215 .....3652 .....4785 :matte-motes-delicious:

[Ishtara Rothschild]

I don't think so. It has always been possible to get anybody's online status using llRequestAgentData. I don't really like this feature, but it definitely is a feature, not an exploit. The use of this product to stalk people, however, can be a ToS violation imho.

[Dante Tucker]

//Put their key here.key personkey = "";default{    state_entry()    {        llSetTimerEvent(10);    }    dataserver( key query , string data )    {        if ( data == "1" )        {            llSetText("Online!",<1,1,1>,1);        }        else        {            llSetText("Offline ",<1,1,1>,1);        }           }    timer()    {        llRequestAgentData(personkey, DATA_ONLINE );                }}

 

[Tiffy Vella]

This does sound like it's being marketed to drama-queens-in-the-making, but the script function has been used for good reason over the years. I've used it to help serve customers who have left an offline and need me to contact them when they are on....instead of having to repeatedly bring up their profile to check if they are online, I can just receive a message instead and get on with other things in the meantime. However, harrassment is a different matter, and anything that is used to amass data and store it gives me the creeps.

So, I don't think the product is bad on it's own, ToS-wise, but it could be used in a manner that breaks it.

[Venus Petrov]

It is not against TOS but it is a pain in the derriere if someone uses it and then claims (accuses) you of being online when you were not.  So, I do not think toys like this are reliable all of the time.

[Dante Tucker]

You are correct, the function does have a small margin of error. It can take as much as a few minutes for your online status to be updated correctly.

There are also the cases of being ghosted online, but then even friends lists will still show you online.

[wiked Anton]

i myself use it on my slaves. they are under contract to serve one hour per day on my sim, and many before have logged on in the sim then tp out. my use pertains to making sure contractual agreements are kept. but that is all. It could be used to harrass ppl, but the same information can be obtained just by searching, it doent gather any personal info, IP's, only avatar log in and log out times.

[Venus Petrov]

My experience was different.  It was not a few minutes for something to update.  I was 'accused' of being online for an entire weekend.  Non-stop.  I have never done this.  Perhaps there was something screwy on the client end.  I do not know nor do I care at this point because the accuser is no longer a 'friend'.

[Void Singer]

you were most likely ghosted (which actually doesn't always result in being unable to login)... but the drama queen was too dumb to realize that.

 

I've happily only had one person ever complain that block my online status by default; they helpfully removed me from their contact list, saving me the trouble.

[Venus Petrov]

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Void Singer wrote:

you were most likely ghosted (

which actually doesn't always result in being unable to login

)... but the drama queen was too dumb to realize that.

 

I've happily only had one person ever complain that block my online status by default; they helpfully removed me from their contact list, saving me the trouble.

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Thanks for that Void.  I did not know that was possible. 

[Void Singer]

happens a lot more than people realize... depends on where in the logout chain the packets get dropped.... and of course even if you do get the login blocked bug, if your timing is good (or the weekly roll happened while you were out) you get in anyways.

[Nyll Bergbahn]

Thanks to the great efforts of Marigold Devin, avatar ghosting inworld is a thing of the past. We used to see reports on Answers virtually every day but there haven't been any for months.

[Dante Tucker]

At least once a week someone is asking me to restart a sim for them because their friend is ghosted in it. So I don't think it has improved much.

[Void Singer]

you can save yourself a restart by ejecting and banning them temporarily if they are still showing on the region (often at the 0^3 garbarge spot).... tends to work well enough to let them log in