About prices and a bump map question

[LovedWarrior Quan]

Hi all,

 

I am new in creating in sl.

I am wondering if sometimes I can change the prices of my products in the MP listing without changing it on the mesh itself by editing it in world. For example, I made a flower and made it 15L in world while editing it but in the market place, I want to put 10L for a week then change it back to 15L. I just want to see what sells.  Can I do that or do I have to change the price inworld on the mesh as well? I do not have a shop inworld and I do not see why I must have one lol they are selling in the marketplace anyway. So the products are all in marketplace from my inventory. 

After having more than 10 products, it is getting hard to go and change each one and then remember which ones I changed. I hope I can put whatever price I want in the market place without changing the price of the product on the product itself inworld. 

 

My second question is something different.

I was wondering if I can add more bumpmaps options inside sl edit area where we load textures and we can add shine and bump and all. Is there a way to add my own bumps there somehow? I want to put leaf texture bumpmaps. Or if there is anway to add my own bumbmaps anywhere at all? So far I only see I can upload textures and use them in the texture slot and choose options sl provides like shine, glow... I just need leaf and petal bumpmaps I have. 

Thank you!!!!!!!

[arton Rotaru]

The items on the marketplace are independent from what you have in-world or in your inventory. Just set the prices on the MP and you're good.

Yes, you can upload and apply "tangent space normal maps" (not bump maps), and specular maps as well. If you are using a materials enabled viewer, which is any recent official Linden Lab viewer, you can apply the maps under the texture tab, just  click on the Texture (Diffuse) dropdown menu and select Normal (Bumpiness), and drag your normal map onto the texture field.

To render these maps, Advanced Light Model has to be enabled, in the viewer.

[Amethyst Jetaime]

The only rule about pricing on MP is that you can not charge more for something on MP than you do when you sell it in world.

See https://marketplace.secondlife.com/listing_guidelines under Disallowed for more information.

 

[LovedWarrior Quan]

Thanks for the quick replies!!!

 

Here is what I see for my texture section in the editor and the tabs on Phoenix. Can you tell me how I can see the diffisue option?. It is prob something I add somehow. 

 

The tabs I have:

[arton Rotaru]

You need an up-to-date SL viewer. The one you are using is fairly outdated actually.

[LovedWarrior Quan]

Any suggestions on which you prefer?

[arton Rotaru]

I definitively prefer the Second Life Interesting Viewer version 3.6.14.285213

[Kwakkelde Kwak]

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Amethyst Jetaime wrote:

The only rule about pricing on MP is that you can not charge more for something on MP than you do when you sell it in world.

 

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Could you point out where that is stated in the ToS or guidelines? I can't find it anywhere.

[Coby Foden]

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LovedWarrior Quan wrote:The tabs I have:

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That version does not have the new materials (Normal map and Specular map).

This version has them:

Firestorm 4.5.1 (38838) Oct 28 2013 00:03:49 (Firestorm-Beta)

Even though it's a beta it works well.

 

[LovedWarrior Quan]

Ok i got the new versions of both sl viewer and firestorm but i stil dont see sepcular and normal map areas

 

 

[Sassy Romano]

Amethyst provided the link, it comes under anti competitive behavior, inflated listing price compared to inworld or other ecommerce site.

 

All too often, items are incorrectly flagged and delisted by LL because someone just considers something "too expensive".

 

That is not what "inflated listing price" means!

[Kwakkelde Kwak]

Thanks, somehow I completely overlooked that...

However, since LL takes (if I'm not mistaken) 5% from the purchase price, I don't consider a 5% raise compared to inworld prices "inflating". I consider that 5% added tax.

[Sassy Romano]

It's a hotly debated and contentious issue. Do people "raise" a price for an inworld shop in order to cover land cost? If using the same ideal, if not why not?

 

To others both are just a cost of doing business and it can be argued that the 5% offsets the costs otherwise incurred through having land.

 

Probably better debated in the merchants forum than here though

[Coby Foden]

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LovedWarrior Quan wrote:

Ok i got the new versions of both sl viewer and firestorm but i stil dont see sepcular and normal map areas

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Click the "Texture (diffuse)" button. It will reveal the Normal and Specular maps. After clicking, select "Bumpiness (normal)" then click in the "Texture" icon and browse for your normal map. Same way for the specular map.

[Kwakkelde Kwak]

I would have that land anyway, but I agree, this is better discussed in the merchant forums.

[LovedWarrior Quan]

Hi thank you very much for the answer.

 

One more question, does it have to be a certain file like png or something else? I used a normal map with png but i don't seem to see any difference. Should it be black and white or normal map color like bluish?

[Drongle McMahon]

Normal maps (tangent-based) look predominantly blue because the colour of each pixel defines the vector of the normal at that point relative to the tangent. The blue channel is the component perpendicular to the unmodified surface (the default normal), while the read and green define the components in the UV plane. The default normal has RGB values 127,127,255. So it's a light blue. Tinting more or less red or green tilts the normal away from the perpendicular.

Here's a picture of a simple normal map (left) and the effect it has on the shading of a flat surface under oblique lighting.

(both from normalmap in gimp)

[LovedWarrior Quan]

Thank you!

 

However, I tried jpg, png, and tga I see obsulately no difference on my texture. It isnt working for me. Not sure what I am doing wrong. I try the sl's in built bumpmaps they all show on my texture but none of the ones i put makes any difference.

Is there a way I can see the sl's in-built bumpmaps inside my computer? Where can they be? I wonder if I can add mine in that folder and there and try again. 

[LovedWarrior Quan]

Ok finally figured it out lol in

Preferences - Graphics - Advanced Lighting Model has to be clicked. Shheeessshh hours of work and that was the problem.

Thank you all for helping me with my questions. I found this link explaining the texture spots:

http://sldesigner.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/new-texture-tab-materials/

[Kwakkelde Kwak]

Let me be a smartass and point out that Arton already said that in the very first reply in this thread. To be fair I'll add he didn't say where to find the advanced lighting toggle.

Glad you figured it out though

[snakeappletree]

Thanks everyone for the advice on user content bump maps. This is a breakthrough for me also.

I know from experience and then from further research that .png files means you can use transparency as part of your texture, where all other formats replace it with white.