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I think it will be the final mistake LL will make.  Because people are abandoning enormous dollar figures left and right and quitting SL entirely.  Today.  Many more are taking a "wait and pray" approach and hoping for a last minute change in the plan.  But LL has made it clear that they can bend, break, rewrite and defecate upon any contract you make with them; written, verbal or implied.  So after so many years, their customers are eating the financial losses and leaving.  And believe me, when someone is out a grand or two, they will NOT have nice things to say about LL to anyone.  And no amount of about-face or improvement to customer relations will get them or their money to come back.

Personally, I'm not sitting here waiting for LL to repent and put things back. The teens are coming and with them their needs to be something from LL to assure safety for all involved - This is only going on as long as as it is simply because LL haven't managed to product anything concrete.

There will always be changes, what I and I'm sure many residents want from LL in the long run is stability and growth.

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youre not going to get arrested for being cammed by a tween while pixel naked in a hot tub.  You will however get arrested for chatting up said tween and sending them photos of your junk.

Um , yes you will actually. The laws are painfully clear and not forgiving.

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That's  not the position most have been expressing, in fact many business and  non-profits that are exclusively maingrid are getting pretty hyped up at  the possibility. Opening up the grid and bringing the IMVU crowd in  will give SL commerce a badly needed shot in the arm and live music will  simply explode. We get a vastly richer SL, in fact .. they might be the  demographic that saves this whole ship from sinking.

If your counting on a small portion of kids to save SL, then we have already boarded the Titanic.  The teen grid is closing because it failed to be profitable.

The teen grid was a crashing failure for many reasons, the biggest being the lack of content - it's a very dull place. Why doesn't IMVU have that problem? Because the grown ups make the content.

Letting the teen's in isn't about the minority who found a home in SL, it's about the majority who looked, laughed and went elsewhere. The teen population has the potential to outnumber us.

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I don't have any interest in some kid whining on youtube, so I'm not even going to bother looking at that video. Fact is, Kids don't belong in SL, never have and without some very major changes never will. Not only that, they're not wanted,

That's not the position most have been expressing, in fact many business and non-profits that are exclusively maingrid are getting pretty hyped up at the possibility. Opening up the grid and bringing the IMVU crowd in will give SL commerce a badly needed shot in the arm and live music will simply explode. We get a vastly richer SL, in fact .. they might be the demographic that saves this whole ship from sinking.

The problem is how to keep the very adult side of our playground away from minors, for the most part thats technical and something the lab need to resolve. Prevent visibility of M+ land and make it possible to tag items as G or M  - roll that out and tag everything in SL as M. If a teen account can get an item of inventory its because its creator has specifically set it up with a G rating. Its a chore for content creators but no bigger then than forced move to the new SL marketplace. Bring it on LL !

The other issue is social, stupid people on both sides of the age of majority will be stupid. I'm afraid that for the most part thats going to mean the grown ups acting like grown ups and realizing that to be a grown up comes with a certain amount of personal responsibility.

SL is synonymous with naked men running about with giant willys, attack parenting all you like, but if you can't keep your virtual sex life in your pants from time to time, its not the parent who has a problem and the freedom to indulge in that kind of behavior is not something you should be trying to protect.

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Shockwave Yareach  says                                          in response to                                            Nany Kayo:

If you are leaving Nany, please take the teens with you.  After all, you've repeatedly said how welcome they will be with you...

 

LOL that's great Shockwave, I'm really enjoying this thread knowing how karma comes around.

Seriously, you're going to just sit here and gloat about the loss of education in SL because you got personally peeved at one provider. You clearly have no understanding of karma.

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That's not quite the way it happened!

The 13 year old was bleating about appearing as a white cloud for three weeks. But visible to others.

I spent two hours of my time helping to fix the problem for her! Not knowing her age! Only after a coule of comments by her of a juvenile nature that I became suspicious and asked how old she was! By the way I do not have a kid fetsh and don't spend my time asking how old people are usually!!!!

Anyway I have tried to retrieve a log in order to report the incident but have been unable to as not in friends folder! and because the stupid viewer keeps freezing Iost the original thread.

The sixteen year old will be reported p.m. today!

So don't come the high horse with me! O.K.?

Report them anyway just give accurate time and location information, LL log all conversations and can check themselves.

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I think this has all been blown WAY out of proportion.  In Real Life a teen  could spy on a couple having sex in their  bedroom through a window. If the police were to be involved then the child would be the one who is at fault for spying not the couple having sex.

You are actually dead wrong, no, really, really dead wrong. The adults go to jail.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/101909_man_caught_making_coffee_naked_faces_charges

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hi Maria,

We're all for conversation about the decision outlined in this blog post, but your comment is merely advertising for a competing service, and as such it contravenes our discussion guidelines, so I'm going to delete it, sorry!

Wallace

Oh Wallace, promote why your product is better, don't paint yourselves as being afraid of competition.

Don't talk about fight club.

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We are also going to want to know which content creators are willing to allow us to bring their content onto other grids so we can rebuild.

At this point, technically .. none.

You can only export items you are wholly the creator of. Collaborative projects are stuck here.

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ok well i am sixteen am i automatically gona merge?

Yes, there will be no teen grid left to stay on.

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How is this different from Google, Msn, or other chat services that allow all ages to use it? If you keep the nudity and sexual content in the Adult areas(like it is supposed to) and off the main continent, there should be nothing to worry about.

People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

No, they really aren't.

A few basic points (feel free to log into SL at some point and verify this).

LL Policing of G/M/A land is reactive NOT proactive. Nothing happens until some spots and abuse reports, even then the AR's are triaged and may not be dealt with quickly.

Objects are not rated. Adult objects can be given to anyone and can be rezzed on any parcel. Kids can easily get access to adult content even on PG land (and as long as no one spots it to file an AR, it's ok - As with real life, there will be high demand for contraband and illicit content .. actually, thats the teen grid already).

Minors on G land can pan their cam on to neighboring M land and do pretty much everything you can do while panning your camera about.

Sexual content is allowed on M land as long as it is non commercial. You can have your private home and private sex bed and private hot steaming XXX rated getting your freak on. Any minor can stand at the sim border, up the draw distance and spy on the action next door. This is into real life destroying legal territory.

There is nothing and no way to stop an adult predator targeting Minors - Everyone in SL can go to G land as long as their appearance fits. Anyone can lie about their age. That line will be crossed, it's simply a matter of time.

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Hi Ayesha,

We are taking issues related to safety and security (for both the 16 and 17 year olds, as well as the adults) around this move very seriously.  As I stated in a couple previous posts, many of the issues raised by Residents have been/are being taken into account by us and I will be letting everyone know specifics on this matter.  I appreciated everyone's patience until we release more detail - specific timing of this release is still TBD.

And you don't see any problem in letting this debate just fester out of control. Kids on the grid without proper protections both ways is a deal breaker for many, yet since the initial grid merger announcement there has been NOTHING of substance from LL to address a single concern beyond claiming your age controls and zoned land is sufficient (which is it clearly and demonstratively not).

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i like mi famili n secon life its veri nice

Thank you for sharing.

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I have two 13-year old children. There is absolutely no way on earth I would let them have access to SL once it is merged into the adult grid. Not in a million years.

That is a fundamental point the Lab seems to be missing. Those of us who are residents and actually have children will absolutely not be letting them on SL at 13 regardless of the "protections".

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In SL, what is a "reasonable measure" when someone can peek through your curtains without so much as lifting a pixel finger? These need to be set in stone.. they will not until a case is pursued in the courts

It's much simpler, its called abandon the mainland and move age verified adult only land, and never go anywhere else.

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Well said, it is a bit of a PR disaster for Linden Lab how they've handled this, I'm disappointed to see how this has panned out ...

Yes, because nothing says you care then declaring the sites closure as 'bittersweet' and following up with how excited you are its gone.

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I am interested in the potential that this technology aquisition brings to the future of SL. Web based profiles, web based groups, friends lists, and possibly web based messaging as well. A lot of these services, in their inworld forms, have been atrociously limiting in the past. How LL will implement this technology, we shall see. Will it be little more than the web-based profiles we have now? Or will it be something more-akin to facebook or myspace

Facebook for SL users on the SL website with tight integration into the client would be my guess. The push seems very much to be on moving things out of the world and onto websites.

Search has been downgraded to fit the new vision, SLM is now touted as the premier place to shop in SL (as oppose to shopping in SL which is half the point for many of us). How long before profiles vanish from the viewer only to be replaced with a web page and some mini social networking mess on the SL website. Next up, the map perhaps, group management, estate tools .. Picky users don't like the client so lets dumb it down as much as we can?

Can't help but feel if half the lab stopped peeking over the fence at facebook and imvu we would have a better product. (oh .. and maybe if they stopped sacking people in the same paragraph as congratulating them on their invaluable hard work).

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There is no way to stop this except for parents to take responsibility for their kids and watch what they do on the internet.

 

blah blah blah parental responsibility .. Well, that counts for nothing legally, so I guess you can shut up.

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There are  many many merchants (as an example) who now operate on PG land  specifically for the purpose of being reachable by the teen market when  that happens. Splitting the mainland would require something  Zindra-esque to take place, and we all know how much happy fun that all  was.

I accept your point about not being Pareto Optimal, but, in my opinion, the non-educational market for 16/17s is so small as to be insignificant. The benefits of upgrading mainland sims from PG to Mature so greatly outweigh the disadvantages as to be self-evident. Remember, Mature = Moderate = normal. It is critically important to prevent Disneyfication of the main grid.

The non education market is insignificant today. Look at what happened to IMVU (and not an educator in sight).

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I believe this is a simple, easy and elegant solution that is also Pareto Optimal  (some people are made better off while no one is made worse off).

There are many many merchants (as an example) who now operate on PG land specifically for the purpose of being reachable by the teen market when that happens. Splitting the mainland would require something Zindra-esque to take place, and we all know how much happy fun that all was.

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No, the only way this would be secure would be if teen accounts are explicitly disconnected from receiving objects from other avatars, and could only get objects that are dispensed from estates.

My thoughts exactly.

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The devil as always is in the detail.

How will LL ensure all teens, ESPECIALLY the 13-15 years olds don't have access to adult material? Will inventory transfers be prohibited or restricted in some way?

How will LL ensure all teens, even those in the educational walled gardens are not able to just go anywhere they please in SL?

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Please find me a single instance in this thread where people against this idea have attacked those posters who are for it with as much repetition and fervor as you and Werewolf have. I got sick of reading your attacks and decided to push back and now I see you preaching about how we should refrain from such things. LOL What you really mean is that we should just shut up and quietly take your abuse. Not hardly.

Only history is attacking people on this one issue. Probably really looking forward to being able to change his name to something less pretentious.

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Too bad you guys couldn't figure out a way to integrate it more closely with Second Life.

Thats the idea, bin AV united and add a facebook of Second Life to the Second Life website where we can call add our friends and pictures!! Because you know what SL really needs is everyones profiles on the web. Wait .. if our profiles are on the web, why do we even need them in world - Genius!

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....You want to make people happy, let them know that you care what they want. All you have proved is that you plan on doing what the hell you want anyway.

Thats actually really easy.

Make teleports work, sim border crossing, and a whole raft of ignored and punted issues on the JIRA .. If you do one thing this year, just one thing - fix group chat, please !!