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I've kept my comments on topic. And reasoned. With graphic examples of the points I was making.

Part of that good discussion is a reasonable discussion about why the person does or doesn't like it, or like me, isn't really one way or the other. Those reasons don't have to be "Well, the correct color should have been Pantene #..." "I don't like green" is valid. My original comment in this thread pointed out where I saw where they didn't just get rid of the background and fill the hand in with blue. They actually did make some subtle changes in the shape, which to me make the new one more readable. I thought the point of this thread was to discuss?

And some of us are rather... indifferent. I know I am. I've never been a huge fan of the original. It reminds me too much of the Myst journey cloth. Or the jewelry they market to massage therapists. I also don't hate the original. Overall it isn't bad, and I get how they came up with it and why. I don't mind the redesign. I don't mind the color. I do like a good discussion on design, graphic, industrial, etc. It is a particular interest, shall we say, of mine. Myst journey cloth btw:

Oh stop! You're too kind. What is clear is that you've never sat through a professional critique of your work. You also cannot identify an argument. I also stated quite the contrary that I thought SL's logo was perfect, I merely pointed out that what you said was not how the industry commonly works, and your spitballed ideas were really bad design and why they are. That's the important thing, that the critique included why they were substandard and not a practical solution. We didn't even get into the immense amount of money required if SL/LL had decided to go a totally different approach. That isn't just changing an image on a webpage, that goes into some very deep pocket retooling. But as a designer, you know that. I didn't come to the thread spouting that I'm a designer with better ideas than LL. You did. I merely pointed out the flaws in your argument. You're welcome. Btw, just curious, did you really mean your avatar name to be the DAMED Spore? As in a dame? Or was that supposed to be damned and your autocorrect messed up again?

Oh, that is just too, too precious a reply. A quick look at my reasoned response to your comments would indicate that I just might have a tad of knowledge in the subject. Just a pinch. Maybe a few more than "a course" in it. I've sat in the Ohio presentation rooms, while art directors, clients, and designers were all discussing the pros and cons of various national branding campaigns. For example, P&G, Chiquita Brands, Kroger... are all located in a certain area of Ohio. They don't do all of their work inhouse. So, kiddo... Also, just a suggestion, but you might want to take a basic English grammar course, because even your digital portfolio has to have real sentences in it if you don't want to come across as you are in these posts, but you being a "designer" you'd know that.

Sadly, you may not know how true this is. They are doing very little hands on drawing in design schools these days. Everything is computer. And while the end product is always computer generated, students miss out on the subtleties learned in hand work. In graphic design in particular, with fonts, everyone with a computer is a lettering expert--in their own minds. In other areas of design, such as the car companies, they still make life-sized sculptures of their new cars so that human hands and eyes can assess and shape in ways that a 3D representation on a monitor never would enable. And I could go on.

Seriously? This is logo design, not product packaging. A man, with a floating eyeball, with junk behind him? You obviously have not sat in front of an art director and a table full of clients. That is some freshman graphics 101 project that probably would have had a harsh critique. LOOK at logos. A logo has to "read" and be recognized in literally a second. Futzy little details are not how it is done. First three? Iconic logos. Last one? Rather crap logo. SL's is closer (not saying it is iconic) to the first three. Your suggested thumbnail is even sloppier than the last one.

You're rather making your own point why they didn't veer significantly from the original. They have a 20 yr old brand identity. You don't just throw that away. Just as you said if you changed the Coke logo to blue . . . You can argue the merits of the hand/eye logotype, but that is their logo. Sylvia stated it correctly about the sentimental value. However, sentiment aside, graphic styles do get updated and twenty years is about on par with a lot of logo redesign. It is rare that a logo would get a complete overhaul and if it did it is likely due to a merger or something drastic. Frankly, if you truly are a designer, then suggesting a confusing mess of people or items is a horrid idea. Simple, graphic, easy to remember is best for logotypes. The best logos are simple (and elegant) and pack a punch, quiet or otherwise. They aren't literally showing people at a keyboard...

And of course

Ooooh. I dislike -isms of any ilk, but I could get behind that cardinal sin. Too bad the only way to avoid that is to self-isolate. Wait! Cool! I'm doing that! Self-isolation means never having to doubt you're the smartest person in the room. (As if there is ever any doubt . . . )

Not even close. Grew up in the Mitten State and nearly flunked college French. I honestly have no idea where I first heard that, but I recall it from childhood. kittenhood.

Anyone know what the tag "domequeen" is about? There's a :::cough::: interesting definition in urban dictionary (of course).

I thought so at first too, but if you look closely some designer justified his/her existence by ever so slightly changing the eye palm. They widened the fillet and curve. They may have widened or flattened the base, too. I think that does make the "eye" read a bit better, but I could have done this on the vector art in about 5 minutes, and I don't work in vector art often. So I hope they didn't pay too much for it. As for the change? Meh. comme ci, comme ça Pardon the crude red markings...

So, according to Orwar, if I wore a Taylor Swift avatar in Second Life, he would find that offensive on religious grounds? Isn't that one of Gopi's threads? Purr Hug

I swear this is every group chat ever. This is why the first thing I do when I join a group is to decline the group chat. The second is to hide the group, because I'm that kind of avatar. I think it is very useful that many groups show when members were last, or currently, online; I do not, however, want others to stalk check up on me out of deep concern for my well being.

Purrrrs. I think the interesting people just took a long Memorial Day weekend. Getting rejuvenated with backyard bbq and beer to be in better posting form. The missing uninteresting people on the other hand... uh oh.