[Joining land and I goofed up]

1 minute ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

You don't necessarily have to change anything on the web page.  I actually verified this just last month.  The only thing that radio button does is set the point at which you will get that 'tier increasing' warning.  You are not ever charged for more than you are really using. 

Once all of the land is in the group with the appropriate tier, the rest of the tier is no longer being used and won't be charged after this current billing cycle.

And after the current billing cycle has completed and been paid, you should see the appropriate tier amount showing on your account page for the new billing cycle. 

[A bit confused about the new rules]

2 hours ago, Jon Chronometrist said:

Has it occurred to anybody else that this is just a big scam. The Lindens boast that they are now offering Premium members twice as much free tier as before. Oh really? Just try buying a mainland parcel. They are not to be found. I'm seriously considering canceling my premium membership. I'll take the money I save and pay rent on a private estate. Besides have you noticed how laggy mainland parcels are? I say forget it!

I just looked on the inworld map with the "Land Sale" box checked, and there are parcels for sale all over the mainland continents, in just about all size variations from 16 sqm to full sim.  Whether or not you can find one that you personally like, in the size you want, for the price you want, right now, is another question, but that doesn't mean the offer is a scam and that there are no parcels to buy.  Another option is to put in a support ticket requesting to by abandoned land (or at least have the abandoned land put up for auction, so that you can then bid on it).

The changes also made it cheaper to own larger parcels.  

Land availability changes all the time, but sometimes it takes consistent looking over a period of time to find the right parcel for you, that fits all your requirements. 

There are laggy private estate parcels, as well as laggy mainland parcels, and there are non-laggy mainland parcels, just like there are non-laggy private estate parcels.  It varies by location in  both mainland and private estates. 

I would not consider the changes a scam, at all. 

[What are you doing today!? :D]

So far today, mostly RP related.  At my little RP house cut into a big cliff.  

[Why crowded venues suck]

16 minutes ago, Callum Meriman said:

 

I normally do my events with a rez area external to the main party, this allows the clothing to appear by the time the person walks into view (doesn't work with friend TPs, but it does fix most people) Maybe this club should do the same.

 

I like that idea of a rez area external.  Because I see myself 'all there' when I TP someplace, I always wonder how long it takes others to be able to see me fully rezzed. I always hope that the time it takes for the scene to rez for me is a long enough time to wait. 

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

It works best, for group land, to purchase it for the group - and that option I think is only found when you have the group tag active, and you open the 'about land' to initiate the purchase (rather than the 'for sale' icon in the title bar) - I think.  There was another thread in the last day or so that had some comments on the specifics of this.

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

You should be able to donate the tier to your group, on the 'land' tab of the group dialog box in-world.  When you have that group info open, that page will show the maximum that the avi can donate, and it will include the premium 1024. 

ETA: you can donate tier to your group, even if your group doesn't own any land yet.  When you do this, be sure to do a purchase for group when you do buy land that is to be group-owned.

 

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

3 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

It appears maybe you can’t donate your “premium bonus” land (now 1024) - only land you have above that which is “paid for”?

I was able to donate my 'premium bonus', but I don't have any other mainland than the 896 sqm my group owns, which I donated my premium bonus for.  I don't know if it's different at the full sim or higher levels. 

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

This is when we need Love to be here, posting one of the playful lion pictures, so we can all laugh and get our minds off all these numbers

 

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

1 minute ago, Phil Deakins said:

Hmm. It does appear to show that. But that calculator is very iffy. For instance, I have it set for 1024 and 0 donated. After calculating, it tells me that the paid tier level is 512, the available sqwuare meters is 512, and it will cost me $4. That's nonsense.

I was hasty, and did a major edit to my post almost immediately after posting it, and now can't seem to get rid of the first image I posted...  Maybe it's time for me to go do something else

 

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

Major Edit!

I redid my test, putting in owning the full sim and donating 1024, and got the following:

in which case it looks like Phil may be correct...

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and I can't seem to get rid of this image below through editing (it keeps popping back in), which conveys the wrong impression

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

6 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

I totally missed before that Love owned a full region (even though I did know that).  You previously had 512 sqm free tier w/ your Premium, but since you own a full region, you didn't actually get any benefit from it -- because there is not a billing level that is only 512 under a full region.   i.e. You only see a benefit if the free tier is enough to knock you down to the next billing level.

If that sim is owned by a group, then you are already donating either 16,384 (full sim size) or 16,896 (full size plus free 512) to the group.  If that land is not in a group and you are just paying tier directly, then you are missing out on the 10% bonus that a group gets. 

Full group explanation -- If the group has donations of 16,384 (for current full sim) plus 1024 (your premium tier) plus 1024 (an alt's premium tier), then the group would have total tier donations of 18,432.  The 10% bonus would then add another 1843 sqm.  That then means that your group could buy a plot of 3891 sqm or less, outside of the full sim you already own -- also assuming you have no Linden home. 

 

16,384 is 1/4 sim - not a full sim (which is 65,536).     

However, when talking about the group bonus for tier, in general, this (1/4 sim) is where it really starts to pay off, I think. 

Which makes me wonder, if Love's full sim was group owned, would Love get 10% of the 65,536 donated tier as group bonus? 

[What are you listening to?]

11 hours ago, angeoco said:

To get us into the mood for today:

You can skip the first 30 seconds, it's just tuning-up.

When I was around 9 or 10, my dad took up playing Bulgarian bagpipes, so my sister and I went to sleep each night listening to him practice all evening.  

He also had some goat skins drying out in rock salt out in the carport, waiting to be used in making bagpipes.

[premium members get double land allotment, tier prices sliced]

41 minutes ago, sedonajane Silverpath said:

Since group owned land does not get this discount, how do I change my group owned land to being owned just by me?  Can that be done?

If you are referring to comments made shortly after the changes were implemented, where it seemed like there were differences with group land, those issues were resolved later that same day. 

There is no difference in how the new tier rates are applied between group-owned or single owner land.   

[Thought of a Reason for an Alt finally]

3 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

Ok then. Do make sure that your alt buys the 2048, or you'll be charged the tier for a quarter sim. That's assuming that you're the owner of the mainland sim. I know you know that, but don't make a mistake.

The stipend your alt will get is L$300 a week.

 

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Hmm..there should be ways to buy the land: Love buys 1024, Alt buys 1024, both deed to same group, nobody’s tier goes up. If Alt buys 2048, wouldn’t Alt halve to pay tier over 1024?

I think what Phil is referring to, is that your account already owns a full sim, so it's possible adding the 1024 to the account with the full mainland sim may put you into a different pricing level structure (which I think was mentioned in the original blog post about the changes). 

If I was you, before purchasing any land, I would go into the Land Manager -> Land Use Fees on the dashboard for your primary account, and use the estimating tool to try out various scenarios.  It might be that you DO get the 1024 free on top of owning a full sim, but if it was me, I'd want to check that out before proceeding.   This situation wouldn't apply to your premium alt.  

[Why crowded venues suck]

What I took from this, is that in really crowded places which have dress codes, they need to allow enough time for an arriving avi and their clothes to fully appear and snap into the right locations, and see how the clothes behave once the avi starts moving around, before they IM someone about not meeting a dress code requirement.  Also, that they may need to modify their guidelines a bit to take into account mesh bodies and alpha cuts.  Sometimes it's just easier to alpha-out the area instead of wearing panties (even applier panties) - and if applier panties were worn before turning on alpha cuts, the applier clothing doesn't appear either in those sections (so you could be wearing applier panties, but if the entire pelvic area was alpha'd out, no one would know that). 

[How does your avatar look today ?]

3 minutes ago, heygeeksandgamers said:

 

proud of how these turned out,

but i cant decide on which look I prefer! 

They're both good shots  

[How do we manage this angels and demons roleplay thing as a sim owner?]

I didn't realize that this RP relied on players being able to carry out their RP on other people's sims, especially when it appears that it can be disruptive to others.   Interestingly enough, according to one of the FAQS on their wiki, their sim is a safe zone.

I would expect the owner of the game to be responsive to complaints about it, and to have as a rule for their game that players cannot continue to play on a sim that has posted notices stating no angels and demons play on that sim.    Perhaps they need to do some outreach to sim owners and establish some type of opt-in for sim locations that are open for the RP to take place on their sim (with the assumption that it is not allowed on any private sim that hasn't opted in).  The idea of "grid-wide" games that don't respect non-players or private parcel/sim owner rights, doesn't sit well with me.  

[Property Lines aren't showing/Camera View wrong?]

2 hours ago, Hacker Bluebird said:

Unfortunately none of that is causing the issue.  I've used property lines for years and not till recently have I had an issue with not seeing them. It's hard for me to work on my parcel when I can't see the lines.. haha. Ive been using firestorm for about a year now, prior was on singularity for multiple years. Though I have them activated I cannot see them anywhere, at any sim. I'm hoping it gets resolved soon. Maybe in an update?

I also use Firestorm, and I have no problem seeing the property lines when I have that option turned on (though they do seem fainter than usual, as Lil mentioned).  Have you tried using the current LL viewer - just to see if you can see the property lines with that viewer? (Sometimes that's helpful for troubleshooting - knowing whether it happens in all viewers, or just one viewer).  Also, have you asked the Firestorm group in-world?  They may have other things for you to check that I'm not aware of. 

[How does your avatar look today ?]

21 minutes ago, LexxiXhan said:

I love that skirt!

Thanks!  This is one I really wish I had in RL. 

[Looking For A Teacher]

Caledon Oxbridge University has a free Basic Scripting class, and a Scripting Office hour.   

If you have the time, and the classes fit with your in-world schedule, I would recommend taking classes from several of the in-world teaching institutions.  Different instructors will have a slightly different focus/emphasis/way of explaining things, so attending several classes on the same subject, from different places, can help round out the information you're learning.

[How does your avatar look today ?]

[What are you doing today!? :D]

In the classic spirit of the day, checking on the plants in the garden behind my Garden Café in Bay City.  Thought I saw a bee fly through...

[Asking Mesh friend is racist or just negative discrimination?]

5 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Most clothing does reveal bits of the body here and there.

This is one reason my primary mesh body if Belleza Freya Light. That's the version of Freya without the layers and some other features. It's ideal for wearing with clothing that isn't a burqa. I am able to retain a quality look where the body does show - and don't need the 'weight of features' as other parts are clothed.

The other brands that offer this choice are the copy/mod ones like SelinA and Lena. Or the furry ones (which are almost ALL copy/mod).

 

 

The variety of mesh bodies available - and the different features they may offer - is partly why I don't like the "just go get a free mesh body and mesh head" statements.  Finding the 'right' body and head, and one that works with the availability of, and type of,  clothing one likes to wear, is more of a process than just picking one up because it's free (or practically free).  

[Asking Mesh friend is racist or just negative discrimination?]

4 minutes ago, femhalf said:

Looks good in pictures, but you will see all the flaws of the old system avatars in game.  Creases around the nose, blocky areas around the eyes, protruding chest area,  wrists, feet, etc.  It's an inferior system.  Mesh avatars fix all those problem areas which makes them superior.

 

It seems like you are very critical.  I don't examine other avatars that closely to notice all these supposed flaws - and mesh hands/feet fix some of the issues, I think. 

There are areas of the body in which the mesh body offers and improvement, and I would call it that - an improvement.  I'm not really comfortable with people who use "superior" and "inferior" is such open and shut ways. 

[Asking Mesh friend is racist or just negative discrimination?]

3 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

That’s what I guessed, but when I posted a question about using existing clothes with system avatar and Mesh Head, nobody admitted they do that.

I haven't tried wearing a mesh head with a system body - if I wear the system body, I just use the system head. However, I do use the same skin, hair (and usually same shape).  I'm still not all the way over on the mesh head side - I recently (last week) picked up another one and am giving it a try.  The last one I had and tried for several weeks earlier this winter I decided I didn't like and stopped wearing it.