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5 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:
That is HOW. WHY is a very valid question, and I would like to see the Lab answer it. Or better yet, keep the in-world transaction history as long as they keep that on the MP.
WHY theory: LL does not devote sufficient resource to um..."rationalize" (make consistant) the retention periods of the different data.
I doubt they have a "reason", just an "excuse".
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1 minute ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:
I don't do ads. *snuggles her adblocks*
I also wouldn't have to choose between those two. There are plenty of games/places to hang out that aren't keen on pushing advertising and faux gambling on users.
Yesh! Luckily, LL is a tiny bit smarter than that.
Hopefully as it is, we won't see viwere startup / login screens with "featured" info, "VISIT THE SOCIAL CASINO NOW FOR FREE TOKENS!" and such.
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2 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:
The SL mobile viewer, repurposed as a social casino, will not be optimized for that purpose.
Counter-point: SOME mobile viewers, for example Speedlight, are really just browser-based. So, "optimization" isn't really that much of an issue for them.
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3 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:
If the people running LL have so lost their moral compass that they now think targeting people with addictions is a good business model, then I certainly wouldn't put it past them to start dumping targeted ads on us too.
The pause while logging on or teleporting would be a perfect time to introduce pop-up adds. We're already accepting pop-up notices from our groups and subscriptions. Maybe LL will figure out a way to target ads to us based on the names and types of groups we belong to inworld? Or based on the frequency or duration of our visits to different kinds of sims? If we go to these social casino and skill gaming regions too much, we could see more ads for online gambling too.
Retracting what I wrote earlier a bit..it would be NICE if such a "nightmare scenario" occurs as ads, if the ads were only shown to "Free Accounts". Gotta give us Preemies sumpin'!
*BONUS* If you made users click to make the ads go away, it may help with the..you know..B_TS!
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3 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:
2. Linden Lab has the wrong platform for this (and mobile SL doesn't really fix that)
Theoretically, LL could have a "Casino Script" display in the Mobile Viewer window similar to as if it were an "App".
From a Viewer perspective, this just means: Focus your camera on the "Casino Action" (whether a "machine" or a "table"), so it takes up an appropriate amount of the screen.
Another way would be to just make the "machine" or "game action" a HUD, so it shows in the viewer as if it were an "App".
I hope this makes sense, it is a bit hard to explain without using more words.
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11 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:
If it turns out you're right on this and we wind up seeing a second or third one of these things pop up and/or a shift in focus to promoting this kind of thing, that'd be me out instantly. I'm absolutely not the target audience for that. I recently dropped one of my favorite games for adopting an extremely predatory premium shop (insane prices, FOMO, you name it they did it) against the community's wishes, and I'm not opposed to doing that again.
If you had to choose between this and, say, "Official Pop-up Ads" (even though you are Premium), which would you choose?
Assume the "Official Pop-up Ads" would not occur "randomly", only on Login / Login / teleport, etc. (Not while you are in the middle of "stuff".)
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13 minutes ago, Skyler Pancake said:
So if there was an already owned parcel you really wanted, you could message the owner, offer them a payment to abandon the parcel, and then immediately call up concierges and request it for yourself.
Don't you suppose this is against some TOS? At the very least, if the "buyer" complained, there is nothing LL could (or would) do about it.
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3 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:
Hmm...I think they'd probably want to test that with a free app on the side first, marketed specifically to that group.
I guess we'll find out how "Social Casino" works on the new Mobile client!
"There's an App for that" - Sesame Street.
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5 hours ago, Rat Luv said:
I had never heard of social casinos before, but apparently they're huge and very popular (which is probably why LL has set this up... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) This video explains it quite well!
Some of us are just finding out, thanks!
* kicks self for not Googling 17 pages ago! *
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2 hours ago, Innula Zenovka said:
might it not just be that LL's marketing team think that offering a version of a social casino in SL could be a good way of attracting new residents, who may find they prefer the experience of playing these games inworld to on a web page, and who may even, now they've set foot in SL, decide to explore a bit more and start spending more time and money in-world?
Yep! That was some of the assumptions on the first few pages of the thread.
2 hours ago, Innula Zenovka said:That seems to me the simplest explanation, and would explain why the region was launched on Facebook and Twitter.
Ouch, Occam's Razor is sharp! 🙂
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2 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:
The whole "social casino" practice really does need to be outlawed, though, in any jurisdiction where gambling is regulated at all. If I'm right and it only appeals to addicts, it's way more parasitic than regular online gambling.
Idea: Just make it "free" since we already pay for Premium memberships.
Barring any rules against it, anyone could setup a similar sytem on their own Region or Parcel - and just make it totally free. Since that would "compete" with LL's "NOT FREE" model, I wonder how that would end?
Real Life comparison: Here in the US (at least in the states I am aware of), it is legal for individuals to own certain "casino equipment" in their own home for personal entertainment. Slot machines, etc.
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1 hour ago, Phil Deakins said:
I had to try and try and try seemingly forever, until I finally found a username that wasn't already taken.
For what it's worth, many websites in the "old days" that let you create a username (or create an email account) were the same way.
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22 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:
The EU and other countries have means to enforce their laws even with companies from countries on the other side of the world.
Then, LL has nothing to worry about! Enforcement will take care of it.
And LL will "comply with all applicable International laws"!
Easy.
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20 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
I've always wondered why they can keep ALL of my MP purchases since I started in 2009 but only a few months of other purchases.
Theory: Separate databases with different retention criteria.
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7 minutes ago, Arduenn Schwartzman said:
In Belgium, loot boxes and similar game mechanics are already forbidden. In the Netherlands partially so. In these countries, Second Life faces a potential ban with such legislation. So it may be legal to have Gachas on Second Life soil, but by keeping them there, Linden Lab risks losing a significant portion of its residents. And it's not stopping with the lower countries either...
I read (somehow) in EliseAnne's blinding quote that LL specifically said, (paraphrasing) "whatever you do, don't call it a gacha!!".
Sneaky.
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57 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:
As a globally working company, LL needs to comply with other rules from other parts of the world as well.
If they have to give up business with customers in the Japan and the EU, that costs them a pretty nice chunk of income.The moment you deliver services to someone for instance in the EU, you have to comply with the EU rules.It is the same as with VAT. LL has no other choice than to comply with the EU laws or do no business with people from inside the EU.
Indian pharmacists can't sell medication prescription free through their websites in the EU that are only available on prescription in the EU, although it is prescription free on the Indian market.
The country where the company is registered is of no importance IMHO, the country where the goods are delivered is.
If LL would only cater to people inside the USA, they of course would not have to bother about laws in other parts of the world.
..all they have to do is keep people registered in certain countries out of the "Social Casino" regions.
If certain "other" things are available "everywhere" in Second Life but illegal "some places", I don't see how LL will protect people in "those places" from exposure to those things. (For example, "naughty things".)
I think I understand your point, but unfortunately, the Internet isn't built in such a way as to prevent users in some countries from access to certain websites, unless their countries have a country-wide firewall, etc.
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8 hours ago, EliseAnne85 said:
Just to expand on your post with more info, Prokofy...Basically, banning Gacha from SL is because of SL itself then? They decided that from resident pressure, I'd assume, since real arcades are allowed in RL where the item is not known in the USA. SL has it in their policy that one cannot sell an item that is not "known", meaning one cannot see it, so doesn't know what it is.
Here is some copy/paste from LL @Cinos Fieldand all the things one needs to know about why Gacha is banned here in SL, as are any games where the item is unknown. This copy/paste link I'm pasting below (if one opens it and reads it) states fishing is still allowed because when one buys the bait it is a known item that the purchaser is buying. I believe we are allowed to give away random prizes, such as a raffle, as long as it's free and equally fair to all to have the same chance. Or, something like that. (Link below). I have eyedrops in my eyes, so I cannot see too well at the moment. But, here's some copy/paste and a link....
Additional FAQ’s for August 5, 2021:
Q: Should any newly developed sales mechanism or newly created items be called “gacha” going forward?A: No, as we would like to eliminate any confusion with the usage of the term going forward.
Q: Is a game that requires skill to win the prize you want permitted going forward? For example, you throw a dart and you must hit a certain number to get the prize corresponding to that number.
A: This would need to go through the Skilled Game review process and be presented in a Skilled Gaming region, if approved.
Q: I am selling an item that is known, paid for and delivered to a purchaser, and for each purchaser they are entered into a prize drawing where randomly selected people who bought the item may receive a rare item as a result of the drawing, is this permitted?
A: You must also provide a free, concise and easy way for anyone to enter into the random drawing with an equal chance to win.
Q: Can I sell an item, and also then include an unknown random item attached as a bonus? For example, Like a buy one, get one free (BOGO), but the free item is the random/unknown item.
A: No
Q: Could a “conveyor belt” system work?
Example: The vendor board selects an item at random and displays it for purchase. That item remains on display and available for purchase until a buyer touches the vendor which locks it to them for purchase. This allowed the buyer to purchase the item and deliver it. The vendor unlocks and then selects another item at random and displays it for purchase and the cycle repeats.
Example image here and credit to Nadi Vemo for the approved vendor design.
A: Yes, as long as the item currently being purchased is known. Note however that you should discontinue the use of the “gacha” term for these sales.
Q: But what about breedables (again)?
A: If you buy a brown cat, and a blue cat (as examples), as long as you knew you were getting a brown cat and a blue cat at the time of sale, this is acceptable at the present including the various unknown traits they may come with or develop. Secondarily, when those cats make little kittens with unknown outcomes, this is also acceptable. Lastly, the resale of any breedables will require at the time of purchase that the purchaser knows what they are purchasing at the root level (for example, it is a blue cat).
Q: What about my specific idea, you didn’t cover it here?
A: We wish we could cover all the great ideas we’ve seen proposed to date. Sadly we can’t address them all and if there are any questions or proposed ideas that would suggest any other permutations on the policy, we recommend a simple and thoughtful approach to stay within the boundaries of the policy. Failing that, please feel free to contact customer support.
If we see more areas that we need to cover, we will look at doing another FAQ update next week.Ow, my eyes.
When pasting text, please do not keep formatting. It is very hard on those of us who use "Dark Mode". All you have to do is click the right thing after pasting- you are prompted for it every single time you paste.
All that whining aside, thanks for posting the text, there is no way I was going to read the info at the link.
Remind me, what does ANY of this have to do with the Social Casino, which is not "gambling" because you don't "get anything", and not like "gachas" because you don't "get anything"?
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54 minutes ago, Nalates Urriah said:
You could have refused to grow up.
Like a "Toys R Us Kid"!
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2 hours ago, Katherine Heartsong said:
You mean you didn't get the "See Through Clothing" Invisible Sunglasses, or the fish tank full of Mermen?
*X-RAY Specs
*Sea Monkeys
Lol!!
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7 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
That's a very fashionable horse, Khadijah!
Looks like a Clydesdale to me!
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42 minutes ago, Red Hancroft said:
Thanks both. And thank you again Nalates for your observation of my stupidity inworld 😂
On a better day I may have been able to rub my remaining 2 brain cells together and figured it out 🙄
Was your actual problem solved - the "lock" on your Search bar in Firestorm? Let us know the solution, please!
Thanks,
Love
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1 minute ago, Katherine Heartsong said:
I clicked agree cause at first blush that made sense. How do the real estate companies do it? There are mainland sims with a half dozen lots per real estate mogel for sale. If that's the policy someone is sure not enforcing it.
Interesting to me, that with all the "sign SPAM" discussions recently, I don't remember this coming up (1 "FOR SALE" sign per region per account)!
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5 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:
You can test it. You don't need to create an account. When you enter the email address, it tells you right there if there's a problem with it.
I wonder if anyone tried to view the calls to see if the "Trust" level was "Low" as in the thread I linked.
Frankly, I don't understand how the OP in that thread did it (whether he intercepted the LL calls, or made his own, etc.)
I'm a programmer but not a "Web" programmer! (Iz dumb lion)
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