Jahman Ochs Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Yesterday, my numbers were around 225 unique visitors and around 11000 cumulative visitor minutes; my traffic number for the parcel was reported at 17569. This is consistent with my records going back over a year for this parcel.Today, my numbers were around 220 unique visitors and around 11000 cumulative visitor minutes. By my calculations, my traffic number should be somewhere between 16500 and 17000; it is, instead, 11997, a discrepancy of about 30%.A little investigating reveals that it looks like a similar drop in calculated traffic has occured across the grid. Consistent mainstay Franks Place, usually in the 70k range, is listed as ~50k today. All of the listings in the search categories that I usually monitor are similarly down.By my analysis, this is not a change in actual visitor/time numbers, but in a change in the way traffic is calculated. Can anyone corroborate, and can Linden Labs explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Malibu Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Interesting point as I too have seen a drop in my traffic but since I am not traffic dependent (conversions are 1:4) then I really didn't think much other then traffic was off but it rarely drops. I'd too would be interesting in seeing if something has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iren Tinkel Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 i agree with you - thats weird change in count of traffic which is not explained somewhere and only hell knows if its bug or new count system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayaNicole Cuttita Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 really hope this is just a glitch in there system n not a new way of calculation cause i'm missing over half my traffic. it looks a bit depressing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorrowDragon Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Yep it's Day Two and again today.. Traffic is low accross the Grid.. Examples of real traffic numbers of some clubs: IYC which generally pulls 50K+ daily traffic is only showing 30K, and clubs like GYC and Yiff Lounge which pull 35-45k are only pulling about 20k, and the club I am with, YIFF which was doing 25-35k is only listing 16-17k. definately a significant drop accross the board.. especially the High Traffic clubs like IYC and similar which had 45K+ traffic. And there hasn't been a drop in patronship and as far as i noticed.. the clubs have been as busy as they been any other day.. SO this must be a new LL change or a new bug from Tuesday's server maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iren Tinkel Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 maybe we should create JIRA? if somebody has some news - please post here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvaro Benusconi Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hi all. I've felt and seen the same thing, i went from 41k to 25k. But all others are really down. Pretty weird this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azurea Sands Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I too have been watching the traffic count for some time and noticed a significant drop. I watch 4 other clubs of about the same size and their counts have been reduced also. It would be nice if the manner in which the calculations are computed has changed, for there to be an announcement. It if is truly just a 'glitch', an explanation would be appropriate too. If someone can provide how the traffic count is generated and computed, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dz Delicioso Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Aloha. Outside of the O.P, who seems to have mechanism in place to actually COUNT visitors and time in sim...Does anyone else have MORE than "everyones traffic numbers seem lower, but I see the same amount" ??? I have monitors in place to count vistors and minutes as well... The correlation to my counts and the posted traffic have been within 5% for almost 4 months. Now I am seeing 40 and 50% discrepancies in the past 2 days. For clubs seeing 20-40K traffic numbers, I guess it can be "ODD", but for me..the differnece in traffic means i will start losing vendors at my mall, and may be the difference between staying open or closing down my 3 year old club ;(( PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if there is a LINDEN out there with half a brain,, figure out that YOU CANT JUST CHANGE the metrics without even a HINT of an explanation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iren Tinkel Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 traffic is lower but it doesnt change search results, my place is still in top cos traffic changed for everyone but would be really N I C E to get explanation from Linden Lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dz Delicioso Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'm not worried about search position. I run a NO BOTS sim, competing with clubs that regularly keep 4-10 "staff members" logged in standing in a box at 3K meters... I've given up asking the Lindens to enforce thier own policies regrading the tarffic gaming nature of these sims, they are obviously happy to let them play the games as long as they pay for classifieds... Im worried because my vendors have TOLD me.. they are targeting malls with certain traffic numbers... when my traffic dipped over the summer,,, these vendors closed up shop. When my traffic returned, so did they... Thats a regular business cycle. BUT when the lindens...with no prior discussion, chop my numbers in 1/2.. the vendors leave.I dont get a chance to point them to a blog, or a forum, or show them REAL COUNTS...the vendors close up shop. Without them..so do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iren Tinkel Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 lol. if traffic dropped down everywhere (its fact, just look search) - your vendors must remove their things from everywhere then) nothing changed - not traffic itself, ppl walk the smae, question is what with count, new system or just glitch and about bots... myself i reported some bot sims but looks like linden lab doesnt pay attention to that stuff anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Sorbet Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Jahman Ochs wrote: Yesterday, my numbers were around 225 unique visitors and around 11000 cumulative visitor minutes; my traffic number for the parcel was reported at 17569. This is consistent with my records going back over a year for this parcel. Today, my numbers were around 220 unique visitors and around 11000 cumulative visitor minutes. By my calculations, my traffic number should be somewhere between 16500 and 17000; it is, instead, 11997, a discrepancy of about 30%. A little investigating reveals that it looks like a similar drop in calculated traffic has occured across the grid. Consistent mainstay Franks Place, usually in the 70k range, is listed as ~50k today. All of the listings in the search categories that I usually monitor are similarly down. By my analysis, this is not a change in actual visitor/time numbers, but in a change in the way traffic is calculated. Can anyone corroborate, and can Linden Labs explain? It looks then like a bug may have been found and fixed. The trafic value is supposed to be avatar minutes, excluding scripted agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dz Delicioso Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Cerise.. I count visitors.. I count minutes... I KNOW the PEOPLE in my sim... I have been using the same scripts to count visitors for 6 months..and I am accurate to within 5% ( for the past 4 months) I do NOT have scripted agents ( if that is what you prefer to call avatars parked in a box) my reported traffic is 1/2 of my counted REAL PERSON minutes. Again.... I DONT CARE ABOUT OTHER SIMS, or what thier traffic levels have done. My vendors dont pay me for THIER traffic,,, they pay me to get bodies in front of the boards in MY sim.. Im doing MY part...Why do the LIndens think its ok to just Change the rules and NOT post anything about it?? It is affecting my ability to finance operations... What bug was fixed??? Where can I point my vendors to something from the Lindens to explain this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mairead Fitzgerald Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I noticed this also. 16,000 to 950. But my homestead sim is almost contually full (set to 16 avatars max). Anyone file a JIRA on this yet? gawd I hate going over there. Something like this and getting a direct LL response is like finding the magic bean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mairead Fitzgerald Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 JIRA https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7429 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loretta Dallagio Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 My Sim, THE VILLAGE Slave Hunt™, The Original, is up sucessfully running since more than 2,5 years. We have a constant traffic around 55 K (real traffic, no bots or campers have ever been seen). Traffic numbers actually shows not even the half of the right, normal quote. It is more than sad as we are in a kybernetical system. I wonder if Linden is aware how much they put Sims in danger who continually works hard to do their sl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Sorbet Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Dz Delicioso wrote: Cerise.. I count visitors.. I count minutes... I KNOW the PEOPLE in my sim... I have been using the same scripts to count visitors for 6 months..and I am accurate to within 5% ( for the past 4 months) I do NOT have scripted agents ( if that is what you prefer to call avatars parked in a box) my reported traffic is 1/2 of my counted REAL PERSON minutes. Again.... I DONT CARE ABOUT OTHER SIMS, or what thier traffic levels have done. My vendors dont pay me for THIER traffic,,, they pay me to get bodies in front of the boards in MY sim.. Im doing MY part...Why do the LIndens think its ok to just Change the rules and NOT post anything about it?? It is affecting my ability to finance operations... What bug was fixed??? Where can I point my vendors to something from the Lindens to explain this??? *sigh* You say that your own counted avatar minutes are around 11000. You say that now your traffic score is about 11000. That is how it is supposed to work, traffic should be about the same as avatar minutes. If you got a higher traffic score before with the same 11000 avatar minutes, then the traffic calculation was broken before and inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorrowDragon Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Just want to let everyone know that yesterday I have submitted a JIRA on this issue. you can look at and comment on it here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-27621 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebe Avro Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Voted and watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorrowDragon Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I am sorry to report that As Of Today.. the traffic calculations have taken another dive.. 50%+ Drop accross the Grid.. those 50,000+ clubs are now just showing a measly 25k, 30-40k clubs are 15k, and so on.. I URGE EVERYONE to please visit the JIRA posting of this and vote on the topic so it will be reviewed and possibly contact support about the issue so it will get noted. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-27621 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amigatu Choche Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 There is a change here in traffic count , it is cut in half or more ! I have a traffic count daily of 25 k it is cut down to 8K and less ! What is up with this ? This really hurts our regions . I hope LL fixes this fast . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayaNicole Cuttita Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 hey yall,,,voted for jira...and you should all check something out...hop over to newest SL viewer....and search your shop or place...its showing your normal traffic numbers on that viewer i think.. Showing my traffic for today at 14,577 when imprudence reports its - 7,776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iren Tinkel Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 it shows OLD traffic! not updated. look in same viewer your land info and you will see there is same numbers as in phoenix. reason is Phoenix updates dayly at 1 am and shows wrong numbers and SL official viewer search doesnt updates at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayaNicole Cuttita Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 ahhh okies just noticed it n i never use that damn viewer....they made it even more confusing didn't think that was possible lol well hmm back to LL ignoring us lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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