bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 the whole point to this is there is no fair way to argue your case, they make a judgment based on things they wont show you. so how do we even know if it is true???? and they wont talk to you, all you get is form leter replys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maby just a temp ban you could wait out, but a perm ban??? you need to know there right and they werent just shown some doctored chat log or a totly out of context chat, or a edited pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 A movie theater can remove you in the middle of the movie and they don't have to refund your ticket. An amusement park can kick you out without refunding the price of admission. Both cases would lead to financial loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 They used to have copies of chats, so doctoring or showing out of context wouldn't make any difference. That is why one griefer I know would only use voice chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Life isn't fair. The sooner you figure that out, the happier you will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 both good examples, but the cost to the person isent as big as the future loss the park or thieater would get, but the loss here is 1,000's to the person banned and obviously LL dosent need that little bit of money to add to there millions made off us. but real laws should apply and real chances given to deffend yourself when your talking about stealing somones years worth of loyal activity and livelyhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 so basicaly your saying it isent fair, get over it. then why do we bother even haveing forums if peoples oppinions dont matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 It is their world, their property, their sand box. If they don't want to let you play in it, you are SOL. That is how the law should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I don't know if your banning was fair or not. You said you didn't know if you committed the offense or not. That leaves me with enough to doubt that you are innocent. I do know that the TOS used to say that making a new account when you are banned would get the new account banned as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 sounds like a loyal LL answer, oh well, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 More like an answer that supports property rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 well makeing a new account is banned and i know I will be, but sence they dont reply to your emails, nore talk to you in this abuse appieal process, what other option do you have to get info and help? That is the whole point to this thred in forums. not just my case, but cases over all, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Maby i did what they say I did unknowingly, ok shame on me, but shouldent i have the right to see it? to see the proof. and have a chance to redieam myself. after 3 years to be banned over 1 thing 1 time, wrong or not with no worning and no shot at redemtion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I dont want this thred to be thought of as my way back in to SL. I have moved on, Happely back to meshing in IMVU and building and creating in Inworldz. But the poing to this thred is just to point out there needs to be a change in the abuse appieal process. to let there be a exchange of info so somone can deffend or accept responsability for there actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Many years ago, a drill sergeant told the training platoon I was in these words. "Don't matter how many 'attaboys' you got, one "ah sxxt' will erase them and follow you everywhere you go." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 that sadly seems true. but even people relieased from prison get 2nd chances at life even if there watched closly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Silverspar Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 so what did LL say you did? It's obvious you think someone got you banned using edited chat logs. LL has all the original chat logs, so that's not what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I have all my chat logs too. I dont need stupid coments. what i am saying if anyone reads is I want to see what they have. dont be calling me stupid, god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 No one called you stupid. LL has copies of what was said, no way for it to be altered. If you have your copies, then you know what they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Silverspar Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 bannedkelly wrote: I have all my chat logs too. I dont need stupid coments. what i am saying if anyone reads is I want to see what they have. dont be calling me stupid, god You're calling my comment stupid, then telling me not to call you stupid? I didn't call you anything, but I am tempted to now. LL has the original chat logs so it would be pretty hard to get someone banned using edited chat logs. It's pretty hard to get someone banned at all. Disputes between residents are rarely even acknowledged by LL. Oh, and you don't get to choose what kind of comments you get when you post in a public forum. If you want to control what other people say go start your own forum somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedkelly Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 ok so it isent stupid. lets call it usless than. to comment that they have the logg well thats a no brainer. if you were fallowing the thyme of this the point is how do we know they read it and matched it. if they are unwilling to show what proff they have befor a life bann then how do you know they even looked at the log and compaired. I have all chat logs too so I sure would compair it to mine if they would show it. I think if your going to make randum posts to a thread you may want to read it all and see what all is being asked befor you start insulting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Silverspar Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 good luck with getting unbanned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Arkright Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Once again apples & oranges - in the SL case you might lose a sim you paid hundreds of dollars for, with a further few hundred dollars in unused tier - if the sort of movie theatres you attend cost that much, you must be seeing much better movies than me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Arkright Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Chris Norse wrote: "Don't matter how many 'attaboys' you got, one "ah sxxt' will erase them and follow you everywhere you go." I'm obviously lacking some cultural reference here, what does that actually mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Norse Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Private property is private property. It doesn't matter how much you spent to be there. That is the great thing about principles, they don't have price tags, unless you are a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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