Dorientje Woller

May 8

None of the mentioned options, coz I can derender them

May 8

Do you guys ever sleep?

May 7

1 hour ago, Chery Amore said:

Well with Maitreya if they don't want to get mixed up in the mess they can just say ... nopity, nope. No updates planned. It won't lose them customers since the bodies have been bought. Well other than new word of mouth customers that want to play younger teens. Frankly I don't know where I'd land on that subject if I were a creator in that situation not specifically creating for underage avatars.

*Sigh* Why drag Maitreya into the conversation? Ah, 1 % of the users of this body is abusing it to make a teen alt with it, so we will scr*w over the 99% that is using the body as intended. Don't know if you know it, but the Legacy Perky body comes with a Petite Add-on included in the folder and with the correct deformers, which are available in SL in a wide range, you can make it so that it looks like a teen. In fact, you can make any adult body that is current available in SL to look like a minor with the correct skins, heads and deformers. Shall we ban all head creators, body makers, deformer creators from SL?

May 7

1 minute ago, Katherine Heartsong said:

No, because Moderate allows nudity, but surely you know this.

Wrong, "Moderate" doesn't allow promotion of sexual activities in public nor private:

"Residents in these spaces should therefore expect to see a variety of themes and content. Stores that sell a range of content that includes some "sexy" clothing or objects can generally reside in Moderate rather than Adult regions. Dance clubs that feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Moderate regions as long as they don't promote sexual conduct, for instance through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces). However if any of these businesses uses adult-oriented search tags, the region may be categorized as Adult and blocked from appearing in non-Adult search."

May 7

1 hour ago, Starberry Passion said:

I know a lot of people who is a Maitreya that want to try Legacy and they say Legacy is too expensive 5000 or 5,500L$? That's like 22.27$ or 24.49$ People don't even want to spend 25$ for the body they want, I don't see people buying AP and A.V. Ontop charging L and or paying a premium every month and if they're paying for a sim every month.

And you know what body they want?

May 7

5 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

But it would only be allowed in the forums if it is focused on SL, not RL.

True, but sadly behind each avatar there is a real human being.

May 7

8 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

How will those new players learn second life, in a new comer area, if they don't learn how to wear their avatars?

Also, if you start IDing people that will only start to drive people off because a lot of people like to protect their information. Though there are some of us that have purchased Linden, you're advocating for the I.D. system that not only failed but

You're asking for I.D, Name, Address, Passport, Social Security Numbers or Passport I.D.

what will happen when someone Have all that information?

*facepalm* You don't rezz nekid as newbie, the first time you log into SL. My base avatar looked like a bag of potatoes in a pink polkadot dress with a flexi skirt and something that you couldn't recognize as hair.

May 7

1 minute ago, Jaylinbridges said:

Your World. Your Imagination.

Join Now

Experience and create anything you can imagine.
Play games with friends, role-play with vampires, shop
for unique fashions and attend live music performances!

That was SL in 2011 when the Linden Realms was announced.

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Today the slogan is Our World, Our Rules, and Imagination is for the developers only, who work outside of SL.

What happened to the Residents? Pay your USD and shop til you drop.

According the ToS and RoC, upon you had to agree when creating your account. Afteral, LL is a private company and they dictate the rules.

May 7

1 minute ago, Starberry Passion said:

I have posted several posts that have said "Second life changed these rules because they want to do business with other countries." Several times. Literally.

Your words, even though I said it's not Illegal in the U.S. said it was B.S. when i was talking about the U.S. itself. So You don't understand.

And I said that we, if SL/LL want the share of the market in the EU, don't care if it's not illegal or legal in the US, nor do we care where LL has their headquaters, even if there are situated on the moon. That means if LL doesn't take actions to comply to the EU, the EU is entitled, in worst case scenario, to block the product, SL, of Linden Labs. That means no growth, loss of a marketshare, loss of a significant usersbase.

May 7

1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said:

didn't see anyone say that, and with your last wordt you again show you'r not discussing.

Still, I don't believe she understands it, but let me give an example that she may understand. Suppose she is a car manufacturor and according the American/US norms her cars are road legal. But, according the EU norms, they are not. Does she thinks she is able to export her cars to the EU, without adaptation to make them road legal in the EU ... Nah, I don't think so.

May 7

2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Congratulations! By making SL a place where "foreign laws" are disrespected and driving off all the foreigners, you just got rid of about 60%+ of SL's population, to defend the "right" of 0.5% to be AR Clickbait.

That's a really good way to KILL off SL, not make it "grow and have more people".

Outstanding!

I rarely agree with your points, but this is hitting the nail on the head.

May 7

1 minute ago, Starberry Passion said:

LL is based in America, Therefor, it follows American Rules. You can argue all you want.

It doesn't change anything. We already established and agreed to ban A.P. and now they child avatars are now censored,

and a lot of us want S.L to grow and have more people

so what are you arguing about?

You seem to fail to understand the point.

May 7

4 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

That's the E.U.

I said the U.S.

The EU doesn't care what the US thinks concerning their own laws, regulations, norms. Consider SL a product of LL, and in order to be on the market in the EU, that product has to comply to the laws, norms, regulations of the EU or otherwise it's not welcome. Just like chlorifided chickens aren't allowed to be imported in the EU, because they are harmful to the health.

May 7

18 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

Second life is based in the U.S. it is not illegal here to like fictional characters, however I'm not justifying the actions of underA.P. Second Life is not trying to remove child avatars or use fear tactics to control the users behind them, or make them feel bad as a whole.

just so you are aware of that.

This forum is not about that, it's about the change of the ToS and about Modesty.

I am going to say it straight out: Bull. I have mentioned here before in this topic. The DSA (Digital Service Act) of the EU states clearly that depiction of CP/CA or imagery of CP/CA is not allowed on websites, social media, virtual worlds, even games. Failing to comply to the DSA puts you (company behind website, social media, virtual world, game) at risk of a massive fine, legal prosecution and/or in worst case being blocked of access from within the EU borders. Do you really think that LL is going to risk their marketshare from the European Union?

May 7

8 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said:

To dismiss a group of people that have been wearing and BOUGHT skins for years along with clothing and accessories is ridiculous.

Imagine if all of a sudden LL said you can't use the Maitreya or Lara X body anymore. I guarantee you that thread would have 200 pages in a day, not over a four day period of time.

Ok so they are trying to prevent pervs from being able to strip down to a naked body. I do get it BUT there has got to be a better solution out there for that. I'll admit I do not know what it is but it's not what they have proposed. A simple BOM layer doesn't work as the pervs can still take it off. Yes there are SO many ways to get around it but I'm not going to spell it all out here.

This would be the only change that I have a problem with because it involves real money people have spent.

Believe it or not I do have a child avatar that I sometimes took out to interact. I haven't spent A LOT of money on it but it is a Zooby avatar so the whole account needs to now be trashed as that was the only body I had on that account. I am a bit sad that I no longer can use her because she used to be fun to go to a G or PG club once in awhile and RP her. Normally I would also log in my adult avatar and run them both. I never actually interacted with any avatars on that avatar except in local chat.

The other changes I think are needed but this modesty panel? wooo wheee, they have to rethink that one.

I do not have the solution. I hope LL comes up with a better one that they have proposed.

The only thing I have come up with, and I admit it's not a great idea by any means, is if you want to play a child avatar then you purchase a subscription similar to PLUS that allows you to have a child avatar. Make it so you need to use a payment method that links back to your real life, not a throw away gift card or anything like that. Perhaps a debit from your Bank account. I doubt many ***players will be willing to do that but if they are and get caught at least there are RL legal ramifications that can be taken.

When it involves Real life money I believe LL has a responsibility to come up with a solution that drastically limits the loss of inventory that the RL adult purchased at a time when it was legal to purchase said items.

It's a trend I am seeing in RL, where the victim is considered the offender and the offender is considered the victim.

May 7

7 minutes ago, Theresa Ravenheart said:

I find this phrase so (not really funny) but funny, "virtually molesting child avatars". They are not being molested, the kid avatars that are participating in these activities are choosing to do so because they are ALSO adults. No one is forcing them into these sick situations, unlike what happens in RL to actual CHILD VICTIMS. No one can be physically victimized in SL unless they want to, be because we are all are fully in control of our experiences, because we can block. mute, teleport away, or log off the second we are uncomfortable. This is not about the "poor helpless kids", the people involved with the age***y scene are not victims tricked into it, they are seeking it out.

As a survivor of CSA, I find this insulting and ridiculous!

I explained on page 158 how my country sees age of consent in different age caterogies amongst teens, even if both have given their consent. Post have been hiden for a while till it got its approval from a mod, because I tend to call a cow a cow.

May 6

3 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

Why do you have to be naked on public M moderated land? You have a whole continent to run and be naked on. I got a idea, why don't we restrict all adults to adult land? It has adult in in it, seems perfect. Or there is a furry colony near my home estate. How about we stick furry there and call it a day. See how silly you sound.

Another reason, some of us do pay for access and pay a lot of money for it. We are not going to be restricted from public 'm' land, that we pay to support just because you don't like it.

My thoughts too ... if you as adult avie wants to run naked in the neighborhood of a dressed child avie in a M-rated region, who is at fault? Never heard of spacial awareness?

May 6

4 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Some of us are discussing the pros / cons etc. of rules that have yet to be clarified (for example, nudity on public in "M" regions).

"Second Life's Moderate designation accommodates most of the non-adult activities common in Second Life. Dance clubs, bars, stores and malls, galleries, music venues, beaches, parks, and other spaces for socializing, creating, and learning all support a Moderate designation so long as they do not host publicly promoted adult activities or content and do not use adult search tags. Groups, events and classifieds that relate to this broad range of activities and themes generally should also be designated as Moderate.

Residents in these spaces should therefore expect to see a variety of themes and content. Stores that sell a range of content that includes some "sexy" clothing or objects can generally reside in Moderate rather than Adult regions. Dance clubs that feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Moderate regions as long as they don't promote sexual conduct, for instance through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces). However if any of these businesses uses adult-oriented search tags, the region may be categorized as Adult and blocked from appearing in non-Adult search."

Think it's pretty clear what a M-rated region is.

May 6

May 6

2 hours ago, Bree Giffen said:

I think that LL will simply allow LaraX and other bodies to exist without restrictions and ignore the fact that they could be shaped into a youthful body. Maybe they will remove the ability to change avatar heights below a certain level. A minimum of 7 feet tall might be the new normal.

Over my dead pixelated body.

May 6

27 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

I've heard similar rumors coming from "trusted" sources. So yeah, I'm back down with the pitchfork and torches till we hear something more from the Lab. They might have been blinded sighted by this just as much as we have. In the end, how do you eat a **** sandwich?

Ever heard of the DSA, Digital Service Act of the EU? I suggest you read it a bit up, especially the part concerning adult sites or adult themed material freely accessable by minors. Don't worry, the EU won't come after you, but they may come after LL.

May 6

5 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

yes, but height is the sole factor in kicking people out, so thats a problem... under 6 ft, child, kick, only now they will send a AR too. and if you are unlucky enought to have an ignorant brain dead Linden look at the report, they could go omg yes its defo underage, temp ban.

How many of those before you get a permanent ban?

So, I with my 5.08 ft avatar would be considered a child by you, ready to be kicked and AR'd? Just tried to adapt my avie to 6ft ... that's 1m83 for a woman. Sorry, but I am no giant, in RL and in SL. Get real.

May 6

11 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

I'm not looking for a child's head and body, was merely saying that Lelutka are adult heads and the heads that AK sell, I've seen to be really good child heads that actually look like a child's head.

Did I suggested that you were looking for a child head? I merely stated that you or anyone else can't use the child heads of Akeruka on adult bodies and are made for 2 brands of child bodies.

May 6

12 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

To me, AK make child heads really well, those heads are children heads.

Those, you can't use on an adult body of any brand. They are specific made for only 2 child bodies, but the names of these are escaping me.

May 6

7 hours ago, Starberry Passion said:

I didn't know so many people used maitreya for a child body.

I seen it as an adult body, always at all times..

What this implies, to me at least, is that every body that can be made into a child must be with a modesty layer.

Maitreya doesn't look like a child's body, to me, nor does Legacy or Kupra or Ebody

but some people have said that they used each of these bodies as a child avatar and argued that children can be curvy too. More people said they used Maitreya

If Linden Lab were to do this to any of these bodies, that are suppose to be adult, then it would not be fair to people who use them as an adult body so no one would actually be able to do anything adult, have anything adult and it will still be no line between what is and what isn't a child avatar.

Strange that some are single out Maitreya because you can make it look like a child. Hmm, anyone can make any body look like a child with the correct deformers available in SL. Frankly, the LL demands that any body maker or skin creator to add a baked in modesty layer, it's over with SL. And no, you can't force people to buy specific brands of bodies because some of the userbase have been abusing the Maitreya body.

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