Arielle Popstar

One has to wonder how much of the bible literalism is in reaction to the socialist/communist agenda that is becoming so pronounced in the US, which is stunting people's lives, cancelling them when they don't toe the lefty line and increasingly encroaching on freedoms.

What my viewpoint is about human origins makes a negligible difference to my own life on a day to day basis. Why the heck would my viewpoint make any difference to yours? Perhaps you suffer from that malady where when someone holds a different viewpoint then you on the world wide web, you have a goddess given command to go straighten them out? Perhaps you were too busy talking then and missed it though I do recall you responding to several of my posts where I shared of my journey to becoming a better person through a couple different recovery groups. You appear to be grasping at straws now.

No, your story just reminded me of the time that the realization hit me that I was really projecting my Father as God which I suppose he was as I was growing up but when I became an adult I should have been letting go of that. I was just slow in doing so. It was not meant as any sort of barb towards your relationship with yours. In fact I will admit I am somewhat envious of the relationship you had with yours as other then a few rare occurrences, I can't say I had much of one with my Father. It was really only after he had passed away that I really started to appreciate him for who he was.

Oh i was just accused of only looking at subjective reality but you now flip flopping and saying I am defining your objective one? Make up my mind!

So my God does through the Bible and yours leaves it to your own discretion and whatever the current theory is for this time. Wonderful. Have at it. You have been telling me what should be true for me and many others since the day I first set eyes on one of your posts. In all that time I might have shared my own experience or put forward some thinking of others, but I cannot recall ever telling you what is true for you or others.

That is you being subjective?

You are the one going on about hotlines to God and in past you have mentioned your connection to your goddess. Tell me how my hotline is different from yours?

Because the god of this world is satan as we gave our allegiance to him.

Its the truth as I see it. I am not forcing you to accept what I see and you couldn't even if you wanted to. The truths in the Bible are spiritually discerned, not a matter of intelligence.

Yes that is valid hypotheses too except you lack the thing that caused it other than relying on an accidental mutation and loss of information whereas I have the hypotheses that the darn snake was cursed to crawl on his belly for all his days and those three small changes were done by the Creator.

At the root of the rejection for every incompetent messenger, there is the pride and ego of the listener. Remember too that the truth of better sanitation was being proven already anywhere orthodox Jews were. Semmelweis was just one more messenger in a long line messengers promoting that these childbirth deaths were unnecessary. The science of Sanitation has been known since the Moses put pen to paper and probably before then even through oral traditions. Even Christians failed in that regard thinking the old testament was only relevant for the Jews and not them.

I don't know Schmuley Boteach but I will look him up if he has anything new to offer but Kent Hovind I don't like the comparison to. He is an anti gapper without imo, good justification.

Ok well this link from a quick search: The following estimates represent citizens killed or starved to death by their own Communist governments since 1918. These numbers do not include war dead. The governments are sorted by body count (highest to lowest). All numbers are mid-estimates. While this list is as complete as I have been able to determine, it is evolving. Some numbers are incomplete and there are still five Communist countries that have the potential to kill more of their citizens. Over the next year, each government will be profiled in detail on this website. Communist Body Count: 149,469,610 https://scottmanning.com/content/communist-body-count/ There is an itemized list of dead per country at the site. At another Wiki link it shows in part these sources with various counts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Well I made a scientific prediction when i was about 11 years old based on Creationism that came true the following year. I had come home from school with a new science textbook full of dinosaurs that apparently lived millions of years before. Having read a lot of it in one sitting because of my interest and being that I loved showing my father he was wrong on stuff, I went up to him and showed him my science book and told him how the world had to be more than 6000 years old. He simply mentioned that there were Christians who believed the Bible had indications there have been previous creations to this one. He then told me to start reading the Scofield reference bible which was pretty common back then and had notes that showed those verses that pointed to previous creations starting with Genesis 1:2. Took the wind out of my sails! Based on those previous creations, it was a logical conclusion that there must be signs for that and sure enough the following year, the Eldredge and Gould paper on punctuated equilibrium proved that scientists were seeing signs of sudden explosions of new life in a very short time periods. Exactly what one would expect of a Designer who at various times interjected in His creation to tweak the life forms already there or restart it all after massive extinction events. Which is what happened 6000 or so years ago.

Perhaps I should have been a little more careful with my wording. When I used the word "Genocide" I was thinking more along the lines of countries like Russia and China killing off their own people to bring in their forms of Socialism/Communism that required the slaughter of 80-100 million. Marx, Trotsky, Stalin were all convinced and infatuated with Darwin's theory to the point they had no qualms with killing off the millions they thought stood in their way. The drop in infant mortalities is an interesting story that shows the often times backwards thinking of scientists. They even invented a phrase for it called “The Semmelweis reflex or ‘Semmelweis effect’ which is a metaphor for the reflex-like tendency to reject new evidence or new knowledge because it contradicts established norms, beliefs or paradigms,” Semmelweis who discovered that doctors and med students of the time did not wash their hands before delivering babies, often caused the deaths of both the mother and baby as a result of infecting them with "childbed fever" as opposed to the midwives in the same hospital not experiencing nearly the same degree of deaths of their patients. Semmelweis started to promote handwashing to those who worked in the department he managed and saw an immediate drop in infant mortality. He was eventually fired over the politics of it and the medical staff went back to their old ways resulting in many deaths again. Semmelweis started to promote his ideas to different hospitals but all rejected them until well after his death. I came across an article a while back when researching into him that suggested the problem with the medical establishment at the time was that they looked down on their Jewish counterparts who practiced a high degree of cleanliness as a result of their adherence to the torah laws which required such sanitation and thereby also experienced much less childbirth death and complications. One has to wonder sometimes if intelligence is inversely proportional to common sense.

Funny that I don't remember giving option 2 that much credibility though I did bring it up for consideration as it was being tossed about a lot at the time. What I did and still think though is that the Big Tech Social Medias colluded and conspired to shut the Republicans down. Probably why they are now on the hot seat in a few different countries as they exposed their hand to how much they can influence an election. No free democratic entity needs that kind of crap. For that matter, the restrictions they still continue to put on free speech and the flow of ideas in all areas of life is positively draconian as they throttle the flow of information through search result algorithms to benefit one idea over an other, regardless of which has more merit. Anyway, how exactly did your post relate to the topic at hand?

Wow, that's harsh! Not even the Biascheck site accused them of lies. Regardless, it's about the content of the article, not what site it was printed on. ID meantime is a valid scientific hypotheses whether or not mainstream evolutionists accept that or not. If it was that easy to discount, I have no doubt it would have been done so. Didn't even Dawkins admit that maybe we were seeded here by aliens? That implies a higher intelligence I think.

Are you a YEC? I did get the idea that you were but perhaps I am assuming wrong?

I'll leave you this though: https://evolutionnews.org/2021/03/in-the-name-of-academic-freedom-a-scientist-calls-for-punishing-creationists/

Who or what was chasing them?

You're right, it is an old argument that goes nowhere because neither side can produce demonstrable proof that what they believe is how it actually happened, however expert one is. It is faith based for either side. A few antibiotic resistant diseases and conjectured transitional fossils are a long way from proving that all the life forms in existence today have a few random molecules as their common ancestor. Just as is the inability to prove that all life forms popped into existence fully formed at the whim of a God(s).

I have been waiting 50 years already, I don't have a lot of time left so you'll have to speed it up

Fact is there there are many self proclaimed expert scientists on opposing sides of almost any scientific question. Unlike your airfoil theory example, evolutionary issues are much harder to prove to get any degree of a consensus even among those professionals as the OP already pointed out. So for non scientists it comes back down to a best guess or faith approach to which is the most feasible. You want me as a creationist to drop my belief that there is a Creator because in what amounts to your professional opinion, evolution is the most likely way it happened in spite of a lack of transitional fossils, unexplained explosions of brand new life forms at various stages of the Earth's history, other life forms that have never changed in 500 million years as well as a list of other challenges to the theory as science comes to terms with how incredibly complex life forms are. The idea that over a billion years random molecules can morph into a human being is an ever increasing stretch where Occams razor favours an Intelligent Designer as being the simplest explanation.

Did you even read the links in either the OP or the ones supplied by Aquila Kytori? You going on and on but not once mentioned anything contained in those papers. Just because you know some scientists, doesn't make you one by osmosis And I am giving credence to their efforts but not always to their conclusions because that's where bias starts setting in. In the case of the previously posted links, it's not even about that but how the author wants to "extend" the Darwinian theory rather than reject it even though it is no longer valid in light of new evidence. One doesn't have necessarily understand the science to realize when someone is attempting to avoid a crisis by playing a shell game.