BilliJo Aldrin
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1 hour ago, Gadget Portal said:
I have to echo what others said. "Renting" by joining the group of someone that actually owns the land is barely renting at all, and is the minority.
Every other situation when you get land, rent box or not, you get the land including all the land controls and abilities. If you're not getting full control over the land you're paying for, why pay for it? Unless it's massively discounted.
Bingo, mainland is massively discounted over estates. The per prim price is far lower, sometimes 30% or more. Anyone wanting the lowest price possible with no other considerations, I say go rent some mainland, but anyone wanting full rights and the security their own private group will bring, they need to buy from an estate owner.
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16 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:
Renting in a group on the Mainland you get the same rights you would renting on an island, only in the landowner's group: ban, media, change parcel description, terraform, plant etc.
So it's not "barely renting," it's renting, with more safety as you can refund in many cases, or you will be paying a lower cost and not lose a lot of money if the owner disappears.
I want my own group on my own land. You also seem to fail to understand that any other renter in the same land group as me could come to my rental and change all my setting.
Yet another reason why buying on an estate and having your own private group is far better that having land rights through a renters group.
Thank you Mr Neva for once again showing why buying on an estate is the way to go.
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Do you want to own land without being premium? Go to a private estate run by a long term reputable estate owner.
Do you want to rent land from someone who could default on his tier just as easily as an estate owner? Go see Prokofy Neva.
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3 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:
Um, I don't have it "backward," I simply have an opinion different than yours based on 12 years of experience running Mainland rentals.
There you go, right there is why you think renting on mainland is so much better than buying on an estate.
You have a vested interest in convincing people that renting from a "stable" mainland owner such as yourself who will never default on their tier is far better than buying from one of those fly by night estates owner who might disappear at a moments notice.
In fact you go so far as to claim that having limited rights with you is far superior to having full rights on an estate.
I'm a disinterested party offering an honest assessment of the differences between renting mainland and buying on an estate, you are promoting your business.
I would love to hear the Chungs opinion of your assessment, who have 13 years experience in selling estate land to thousands of satisfied customers.
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15 minutes ago, Prokofy Neva said:
Mainland "owners" may be "just renters" from Governor Linden, but Governor Linden over the years has proven a far more stable landlord than a number of island landlords who dump their customers who "bought" their land. Governor Linden doesn't have to pay tier, in a sense, on its land -- of course it has server costs, but this is an overall business cost. Meanwhile, your island "seller" is always one month away from dumping you if he can't meet tier himself. You are at his mercy.
So "have your name" all you want, but your situation in the large scheme of things is far less stable than a Mainland purchase, and frankly even a Mainland rental, as many landlords have been in business for years.
Even so, it's not clear why people who paid rental box on land that says it is a rental, with a group to join, still think they should be able to return everything on that parcel.
The whole reason they are renting on the Mainland is that it is far cheaper than "buying" on an island, where you have the one-time purchase price AND the tier, which is usually higher than on the Mainland.
People have different values and needs. Renting can give you greater flexibility, in fact, because you don't have to lose your "investment" in the purchase price if you can't pay the tier. You stop renting and that's it.
You seem to have it backwards, buying mainland is where u have to pay several thousand Lindens to the current owner, and then pay monthly tier to LL. On an estate you buy the land for a nominal amount, usually 1 L or, as is more likely, first weeks rent.
I agree with you people renting land, (their name will not be on the "about land" as owner) should not expect instant gratification. Every mainland parcel I've looked at has said quite clearly in the rental note card that you must wait for the land owner to give you access to the land group before you can do anything with the land, and that your rental will commence as soon as u are added to the group.
Of course I'm sure there are lots of ignorant renters that probably don't even understand the difference between mainland and private estates and what they can expect in either situation.
Bottom line, I'd rather rent ( buy) from an estate owner than rent (rent) from Joe Blow mainland owner who can just as easily default on his tier as an estate owner can.
At the end of the day, the only way to protect yourself from land owners that may default on the tier and cause you to lose your property, is to become premium, and become a land owner yourself by buying mainland. Then all you have to worry about is Linden Labs itself shutting down.
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I'm currently renting a property on a sailing estate, there are restricitions on what i can do, but the minute i bought the parcel, I was able to return everything on the parcel., because i "bought" it, I'm not renting it.
Buy: your name is on the about land as owner.
Rent: sim owners name is on the about land as owner.
Either way I'm paying rent every week to the owner, but owning gives you far greater flexibility, and far more powers
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22 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:
On a private island the renter can actually be given owner status of the land they rent - this can be taken away by the estate manager if they default on their rent.
You aren't "given" owner status, you receive it automatically when you "buy" the land. Its no different that buying mainland.
You will find your land taken away on main land just the same if you fail to pay LL your monthly tier or pay your premium membership fee.
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On 8/29/2017 at 9:46 PM, Prokofy Neva said:
So what is the use case under which people get used to this idea that they can return things on land just because they paid?
When u BUY land, ie have your name show up as owner in about land you can instantly return everything on the parcel.
Mainland renters are just that, renters, they have whatever limited rights the real owner chooses to give them when the owner chooses to log in and give you rights.
I've seen mainland parcels for sale that have an active rent box and someone living there. If I bought the land i could instantly eject the renter, returning everything, including the for sale and rent boxes.
I would never ever even consider renting mainland, despite the lower per prim price. I want MY name as owner in about land, and all the rights that go with it.
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Some beefcake walked in on me and my friends in bed, insulted both of them, then tried to jump on the bed when one of them left. I didn't have ban rights and couldn't wear my orbiter, so we went up the hill to my place where I added him to the ban list.
Problem solved.
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1 hour ago, Phil Deakins said:
You won't succeed. Or you may, but only if you stay in SL longer than me, because I have no intention whatsoever of changing my system head under any circumstances. You say you will change when you can manipulate the sliders sufficiently well, so, if that happens, you've lost already
We should start a group.
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46 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:
Yeah, system head never works with a mesh body
You look wonderful.
So many times I'll see someone and say, "wow you look great, is that a mesh head?". They always say "no, its a system head". The first time I walk up to someone and say that and they say "thanks it is mesh", I'll consider getting one.
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3 hours ago, Chrismaky said:
System and mesh should not even be in the same sentence lol
So i tell you how to skin match a system head with a mesh body and you just blow it off?
You aren't interested in any constructive dialog, this is just your rant of the month.
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50 minutes ago, Chrismaky said:
It just looks horrible when people do that. I see it all the time. They dont want to part with their freebie default head they worked so hard on to make it "look good and part their being" and yet walk around with a body that has zero matching capabilities with the head.
If that's your thing then that's your thing, I just find it low quality and horrid. I mean, its actually kinda funny the amount of time some people have spent working on their default head and then go and buy a mesh body and walk around thinking they look good and only listen to the people who tell them they look good and get offended at any criticism lol.
You do you though.
You buy a skin that is a system skin with an applier for your mesh body. Presto perfect match
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1 hour ago, ChinRey said:
Awww, Qie beat me to it!
But at least, here's a link to the description in the knowledge base:
https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/managing-your-parcel-r49/#Section__3_2
It says Private Regions only but that's not strictly speaking correct. As Qie said, the same estate rules and posibilities exist on Mainland but the mainland estate owner isn't very likely to make any changes.
Wow I learn something new every day. You and Qie are right and I am wrong. My apologies to both of you for doubting you
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1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said:
This must be some kind of weird confusion here, so probably I didn't make myself clear. The way an object bonus is made possible in a region is by some land area having only sparse land impact (like roads, water, etc) so that the saved land impact can be distributed to the other parts of the region in the form of that object bonus. (The object bonus applies to the entire region, but those low-impact areas must continue to use much less than a single-prim allocation or the residents who bought/rented object bonus land may get a rude surprise.)
Anyway, the point is that Estates can change this any time they want, but the Mainland Estate manager -- Governor Linden -- never changes it.
Thats not how it works at all, you can't take the prims from empty areas and give it to other areas, "bonus prims" is a sim setting, you can't turn it on and off for individual parcels
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2 minutes ago, ChinRey said:
Yes they can. The estate owner can distribute a sim's prim quota any way they like between the parcels and that's exactly what LL does on the double prim mainland sims, they reassign the spare prims from the public land to the other parcels.
i'm afraid you are totally wrong there. Prims are based directly on the square meter size of the parcel, its a function of land size. Any percentage size land gets that percentage of the total prims, they can't be "reassigned". The only exception is if you own two parcels on one sim, you can use all the prims on one of the parcels.
If you can provide a link that describes what you claim, I'll be happy to read it, apologize and retract my statement.
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5 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:
On a Mainland parcel, that bonus is permanent. When the continent was designed, they must have set aside enough area to low-impact uses (water, parks, roadways, etc) that the land offered for residents to own could be double-prim.
(That's how the prim bonus works for Estates, too, but of course the Estate owner can change anything about the sim any time they want, which just doesn't happen on Mainland.)
They can't just give you extra prims from public lands. Prims are directly tied to the size of the land. If you have a 4096 sq m on a 2X bonus sim, those are your prims until they decide to revert the whole sim to normal prim limits.
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28 minutes ago, Rhonda Huntress said:
Comment removed in case it was perceived as hateful.
I already got an "unoffical" warning for being mean, I hope my previous reply won't get me an official notice, because I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just responding in the same style as the OP posted
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46 minutes ago, 00TK said:
Will I be laughed at if I don't use a mesh head?
Actually, I'll laugh at you if you do use a mesh head
My plan is to be the last avatar in SL with a system head, because until I can manipulate the head sliders to make a mesh head an exact copy of my system head, I'm totally not interested.
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3 hours ago, Rhonda Huntress said:
How old do you think new mesh faces are?
This is my alt. I tried to make her be a young cat girl. I was shooting for early 20's
Microsoft said she is 26.
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I doubt looking like a celebrity is against the TOS, However. I'm sure using their name and pretending to be them is.
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I could never understand the attraction of family RP. One of my SL sisters once introduced me to her "grandchild" and said "you are her great aunt".
Ummm no i'm not, your RP isn't my RP.
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8 hours ago, ChinRey said:
For a private estate, open a support case and explain the situation to LL. They will then reopen the sim for a short time so you and the other tenants can get in and retrieve your items.
Yes that is true, me and some friends were living on an estate one time that was shut down, eventually it was put back online and everyone had their stuff returned to them.
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Thats why you only ever pay a week at a time.
You have no recourse.
Your stuff is all there, look for broken cubes in your lost and found. Its combined items under one name . Go to a sandbox, rezz the cube then pick up all your stuff
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