Lasher Oh
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Does this mean that the much vaunted but rarely used 'Merchants Home' page is now officially redundant space? In earlier marketplace days this lovely piece of white space was used to communicate Marketplace updates and tweeks rather than forcing folks to follow tweets.
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Rene the full transcript warts and all was posted on the thread Today's Office Hour - oops I mean user group meeting! Anyone got a transcript? but now I see the transcript post itself has been removed. I'm pretty sure it would not have taken down by the original poster. Expect to see a sanitised version apear soon once it's been cleaned up by the lawyers.
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Reading through the transcripts of today's User Group Meeting it's clear that the legal team is now running Linden Labs and all other employees have to pay lip service to them. In other words the lunatics have taken over the asylum. It's all preparation for the buyout folks.
Still there is good news. These past couple of weeks have seen the incredible successful launch of a new viable working 'European' grid with it's own economy and liberal doses of common sense. Every day I see a familiar names over there aquiring their sims and moving in. It's refreshing and heartening to see so much building going on again in a virtual world. The excitment is infectious. My guess is it won't be long before some enterprising individuals set up a new dedicated Marketplace equivalent to service it .
I predict a mass migration before too long.
Looks like there won't be much left in Battery Street's inventory to sell on if they keep letting the lawyers whisper their poison in their ears.
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Thanks for the candid feedback Brooke it's much appreciated. Persistant logins is the way to go linked to our inworld prefs ideally. Given that there is a considerable problem concerning many crossover items being flagged as more mature than they should be and a bug that makes some clearly adult thingys PG perhaps it may be best to call a moratorium on the start of the Flagging Festival which was due to begin today.
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Magnet Homewood wrote:
Bottom! She said bottom! That's at least a Moderate word, if not adult! Ahahah, see how silly this all is?
It sure is, a logic defying farce - which is near nigh impossible to defend. I discovered today that a pair of 'kinky' boots are forced into Mature but the same 'Fetish' boots are perfectly acceptable in PG who I wonder is the sad person or even saddder comittee that sits and ponders over the intrinsic corruptions and connotations implied in the words 'Kink' and 'Fetish' do they have a metaphorical pair of scales on which to measure the naughty weight behind each word or do they have some lab rats sitting in a research room having every word in the dictionary read to them, and depending on their noted wince and grimmace factors each word is then graded accordingly.? And what happens when they just can't make up their mind or worse get their Pedophiles mixed up with their Paediatricians ? (it has happen more than once). Do they solve their conumdrum with a flick of a coin? And what effect does this have on the hapless censors do their minds become adled and corrupted due to over exposure to toxic inuendo that their next port of call is litigation to sue LL because in the process of enforcing the companies adult content policy, their formerly innocent minds have been corrupted.
Just a thought
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Fantastic response Darius very nicely explained and put's a lot of what's bubbling in the pot into perspective - Thanks :-)
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Rya Nitely wrote:
Well, the people who are most likely to make a fuss are parents. Parents see their 16 year olds as children.
LOL - Yes how right you are - my dear 78 year old dad who is as sharp and smart as tacks still manages to make this 50 something feel like his 16 year old child at times.
Seriously though, when people who should and do know better, continuously refer to the 16 and 17 year old group as 'children' or 'minors' they are imho putting an irresponsible spin on the topic worthy of Alister Cambell's darkest arts.
Thus misleading the majority of folk who don't follow the debates and details as closely as most us here do. So my reason for voicing so strongly the need for accuracy when discussing who these new regulations are intended to protect is not to undermine the initiative but to inform and clarify so that folk coming fresh to the topic can formulate an accurate view for themselves.
Whilst LL like manipulate and control the grid and discussions here in a manner worthy of the Chinese and Iranian regimes, so long as I have a voice I will continue to speak out and highlight glaring innacuracies as far I see them - that stance of course has got me into more trouble over the years than I care to recall but hell why change a good habit of a lifetime :-) just because it makes a few aparatchniks and jobworths uncomfortable
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Yes I fully agree that's it's all about LL covering their own arses but why keep referring to 16 and 17 year olds as 'children' and minors?.
They are not children that is the wrong terminology.
They can get married at 16 and join the army and die for their countries at 17. They can start families and they can drink in bars with a meal. Jeez, and from what I hear in the states they can even hit the roads on their own in a car @ 16 (a deadly weapon if ever there was one)
I am so glad that a genuinely viable European alternative grid has finally emerged because since the lab started preparing themselves for the buyout the SL world as gone Ass over Tits - that would be the Donkey and Bird varieties.
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Rya Nitely wrote:
we would all have agreed that something needs to be done to protect teens
I would have disagreed - strongly.
If those teens we are referring to were under 16 I would certainly agree, however these changes are being foisted upon us supposedly to protect the innocence of a small motely bunch of 16 and 17 year olds who frankly, are much more street wise and savvy about sex & violence drugs and alchohol etc than many of us matures.
One could make a strong case that it is indeed us who should be protected from them :-)
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Hi Brooke - Thanks for the feedback and info, any communicatiuon is better than none. I'm a bit sad that you guys keep choosing what threads to hide away in that merchants forum thingy, as there are at least 3 others which are connected to this story that are now effectively dead. Dakota told us a few weeks ago that threads would no longer be moved into that dungeon - so what changed? At least you told her to get this thread out of the bucket PDQ.
Thankyou.
"Going Forward" a couple of things for you to think about while your in the shower.
What I really wanted to ask is for the ability to sort our inventory by Maturity category. Nothing that involves rocket science just a simple bit of coding that rearranges our items by maturity. That would help us immensely to scan and sort our listings, cause then they could be bunched and easily identified.
Oh and what about a persistant Maturity preference? When I go in world I choose once and only once that I want to see the whole lot, nawty bits and goody bits altogether. I don't need to reset my preference everytime I log in like I do with your marketplace. It's a real pain in the nawty bit having to keep convincing your server I really am an adult by clicking your tiny button :-)
Hope your having a better weekend than the rest of us.
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Brooke, you need to understand how many times we have had to redo our listings for LL's new site, that we never asked for. It's not hours of our time wasted, it is days and weeks and months.
Perfectly stated
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History repeating itself - with the Censor censoring discussions about censoring. We have been here a couple of years back when they started this adult content train wreck. We began compiling a list of known adult keys that were used by the search filters, but it was deleted before it really got off the ground. But back then we had Lord Sullivans wiki where an extensive keyword list was compiled - sadly that has gone now. Maybe someone can give us some space to create a new one.
As for the weekenders who will be coming to all this fresh I sugest that we just keep starting new threads on the topic out in the open. Jeez if those people in Egypt can do what they are doing in the name of freedom, then I'm sure we can do our own bit to enlighten the other merchants not granted access to the black hole - know where we are at.
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You'll be told quick enough, when the International Flagging Festival starts on February 1st we will all find that our pictures are scrutinised pixel by pixel for the tiniest hints of nipple colour or threads of pubic whatever. Bootsy's observations about slut wear are very true. As with all censorship in life it comes with a huge dollops of hypocracy and confusion.
Good luck with the listings Yuriko I feel you have been very unfairly clobbered.
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LOL - you have the word 'sexy' in your keyword and the rather well endowed lady pumping iron is smoking a cigarette which would automatically place in the moderate category at least
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The three category rating is a farce, What other internet site do you know that has such a system? Mature (Adult) & PG are very effectively used everywhere else no problems easy to define. However the Labbies and Labettes have decided that we all need micro managing. And thus have redefined the age old methods of categorizing what is adult and what is juvenile - Hence their need to use 3 words on the Maturity button now where as just 1 was all it needed before. That's 'going' forward as Brooke said in her meeting.
The moderate category is a farce both in world and in the market place.
As for references to kids and children that folks keep making - there are at present no children allowed on the grid. All this upheaval is being put in place for a few 16 and 17 year olds. Now where I come from 16 year olds can get married and start having a family and can have wine with their meal in a restaurant and 17 year olds can join the army and die for their country. Hardly kids I'd say.
So my guess and theory is the 3 tier category is actually spearheading a move towards allowing real kids onto the grid or at least prepare SL for a buyout by someone who would like to have real kids on the grid.
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More work more grief less advanced communication as usual. The Adult content train wreck continues a pace *sigh* Will the brainiac who replaced 'Mature' with the 'Moderate' label please own up and step forward for his/her just rewards.
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A little info on who the Lab have gone to bed with...
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Al good points Sassy - And like you I'm not averse to a company making a decent buck from their website real estate. As for costs, I quoted the rate card price rather than the discount price for beta testing. We certainly couldn't look forward to a permanent 0.25 for mature and the disparity between the PG cost and Mature is almost breath taking. So I'd rather be realistic and calculate with the 0.78 figure right from start. Unless they tell us how long the discount period will last.
I'd like to see more stats up front, not just industry standards. They have access to the metrics and most media suppliers will happily boast what we can expect. Come to think of it most media suppliers will be prepared to negotiate discounts for regular clients.
But wait this service is not coming from SL it's a plug in from a company called Glam Adapt which means they are probably taking the lions share of the income. It also explains why we can't sign up with our SL name and are required to give our RL details all over again.
I'd happily bet my last L$ that that Glam Adapt told the Lab they were in no way prepared to accept L$ as a payment method.
Good luck to anyone who jumps into this pond - they either have a brand large enough to carry the costs, or more money than sense.
In pricipal I like the idea but for sure it is not geared towards the small or medium sized SL business at the moment and I doubt it ever will be.
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Usablity - Not very good - Could do with some clearer instructions and help pages.
Payment - Why don't you accept Lindens?
I feel this kind of sums it all up....
On checking the help page:
Information about how and when to make payments is described in Sections 4 and 5 of the Advertiser Agreement.
Click the "advertiser agreement link' and what do we get?....
Oops! You found a page that doesn't existPlease click your browser's "back" button and try again.
And @ 0.70 cents per thousand for mature banner versus 0.20 for PG ?
The words Rip and Off come to mind or would you trust a second hand Glam Adapt used ad salesman?
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Viewer 2.3 Beta Available Today With Display Names and More
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You can keep it Jack - Viewer 2 is still a big pile of kack! Move on to viewer 3!
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I'm a premium member - have been for years so I own land and don't need a sandbox. Never liked or used sandboxes anyway. Prefer to do my work, on my own, in peace and quiet without interuptions and knowing my work will still be there when I log back in. And if I need to show someone what I'm doing they get an invite to my workshop.
So why should I feel that elitist access premium only sandboxes are a significant benefit?.
Then there are the freebies. Again I have to ask myself and you 'why? whats the point whats the PR benefit you get out of it? I guess you might tempt a few newbies into thinking it's a deal but old cynics like me can see right through that one.
I feel what premium members really need is guaranteed service standards and quick access to support. Duh - didn't you used to have that?
Apart from being a passport to buy and own land the only real value of premium membership is the measly stipend.
Now if you are really serious about giving Premium Members extra goodies how about increasing the Stipend to say L$500 a week. That's something we would all find very useful indeed.
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