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Happy March!
Second Life Server (main channel)
The main channel is getting the object rez project that was on BlueSteel and LeTigre last week. This project makes sim performance smoother while objects are being rezzed.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/13#13.03.04.271238
Scheduled Tuesday 2013-03-12 05:00-12:00 PST
Second Life RC BlueSteel:
BlueSteel is getting a new server maintenance project, which fixes a fairly common crash mode.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.03.11.271590Scheduled Wednesday 2013-03-13 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC LeTigre:
LeTigre is getting the same project as BlueSteel.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.03.11.271590
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-03-13 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC Magnum:
Magnum is on the same server maintenance project as last week. This project includes a mix of bug fixes and stability improvements.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/13#13.03.08.27145
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-03-13 07:00-11:00 PST
We will be monitoring this thread as the code gets released, so feel free to note any observations you have about the server updates. If you have a specific bug you'd like to report, please file a Jira.
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Hi Dora, I would recommend using a newer viewer. 3.4.3 is out of date - you can get the latest viewer (currently 3.4.5 in the release channel) at http://get.secondlife.com.
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dd Temin wrote:Maestro.... Thanks for letting us know that the sim Crossing issue for flying vehicles has now been officially recognized and that LL has some ideas about what went wrong. All residents in the flying and aircraft community are looking forward to this being resolved as quickly as possible . Will the fix be identified asBUG-1814fix or ???Thanks again for responding to this issue :matte-motes-smile:Is there any place/link where we can see theBUG-1814jira submitted by Aeon Voom?
Yes, I expect a fix will be tagged with BUG-1814 in the release notes. Unfortunately, there's no way for most people to view the Jira itself, though.
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Wolfbaginski, Ayesha, Atashi: yes, the issue does appear to be related to the interest list changes. It seems that after some sim crossings, a vehicle's passenger won't have the vehicle in their interest list. The result is that the viewer doesn't get any object updates about the vehicle, and instead extrapolates the velocity of it by default.
For some reason airplanes seem to be most affected - this might be caused by the high speeds (relative to other vehicle types), or possibly elevation. I read a suggestion that selecting the vehicle fixes causes object updates to happen again - this makes sense for an interest list bug, since selected objects are treated specially in the interest list.
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dd Temin wrote:Sim crossings in most flying vehicles is now totally broken on agni servers after todays server update !!!Total loss of control on every sim crossing for minutes usually resulting in avatar needing to relog.It seems the dynamic camera control get broken in viewer at sim crossings and the Avatar gets unseated or looses its animation.the Air craft goes out of view........... but is actually continuing to fly until it goes off world or is stopped by a sim edge or object on ground. The pilot cant see the aircraft..Maestro....we have been telling you about this for several weeks since is started in Magnum server sims........and LL just keeps rolling out totaly broken server updates... :matte-motes-angry:This is going to cause havok for all aircraft builders.....customers angry that the airplane they purchased for 1000's of Lindens crashes on every sim crossing !!!!
Hi dd, as I say in my post every week, you should file a Jira about specific issues. Luckily, somebody else (Aeon Voom) has filed BUG-1814 about this issue.
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This week in server releases is action-packed, with an update to the main channel and 3 new projects for RC.
Second Life Server (main channel)
The main channel is getting the server maintenance project that was on all three RC channels last week. This project onloy contains a fix to a single crash mode.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/13#13.02.21.270686
Scheduled Tuesday 2013-03-05 05:00-12:00 PST
Second Life RC BlueSteel:
BlueSteel is getting a new server maintenance project, which fixes a fairly common crash mode.https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.03.04.271245Slight change of plans - BlueSteel will be getting the same object rez project as LeTigre. https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.03.04.271238
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-03-06 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC LeTigre:
LeTigre is getting a new project, which aims to improve overall sim performance when objects are being rezzed.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.03.04.271238
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-03-06 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC Magnum:
Magnum is getting a second new server maintenance project, which includes a mix of bug fixes and stability improvements.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/13#13.03.01.271119
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-03-06 07:00-11:00 PST
We will be monitoring this thread as the code gets released, so feel free to note any observations you have about the server updates. If you have a specific bug you'd like to report, please file a Jira.
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Perrie Juran wrote:Maestro -How can I be getting an error message, "This Region (Mainland) Is not running any scripts?"It's where I live, have proper group permissions, etc. About land says scripts are enabled.I've PM'd the location to you, I don't want to publicly post my home location here.Thanks.
Hi Perrie, sometimes support disables scripts in mainland regions to clean up griefer objects. If your region still has scripts disabled now, you should file a ticket at http://support.secondlife.com/
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Hi Erick, I visited Alphubel from your video and region crossed into Cochrane a few times, using a variety of vehicles: 'A4C Skyhawk VA15 1.1', 'F-117A NightHawk 1.0', 'M1151 HMMWV 1.0.2', 'SW-319 v1.0 Blue & Grey', and '[aR] Mesh Expedition Station Wagon v1.6'. I did not encounter the problem you describe.
Erick and Eric, this is worth a Jira if you can reproduce it in a supported viewer (your video showed either a TPV or the 1.23 viewer, neither of which is supported). In your report, you should note the following:
* Some example time stamps of your crossings and the names of the regions involved
* Attached a copy of your viewer's Secondlife.log from that session. This page describes where to find those log files: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/How-to-report-a-bug/ta-p/733545#Section_.3
* Note whether this issue occurs with any vehicle or just specific vehicles. Does it happen with the 'Kart 1.0' from Library? If it's only happening with specific vehicles, please provide instructions about how to obtain them.
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Darrius: which places in particular seem to have dropped off of search? This doesn't appear to be a universal problem; I just tried searching for 'fun times' on search (everything category), and the first 2 results are for parcels on "Second Life Server" regions (regions 'Somewhere in Time ' and 'Coral Tropics').
Star: You should contact support at https://support.secondlife.com/ against the region you were 'stuck' in before. It's likely that the specific region/sim host requires intervention.
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Ayesha Askham wrote:MaestroA quick comment. A few weeks back one of the Server Updates to LeTigre RC caused the SL wind velocity to rise dramatically, affecting any flexi items that responded to wind. You may recall that I raised the issue with regard to the "egyptian tent" on our sim (Woods of Heaven sim 9030 Le Tigre RC).That past week I have been carefully watching it and it seems to me that the issue has returned with the update of 21st, ie that last roll.Whether this was intentional or a reversion I do not know but it needs attention.Also while I am here and since the support website is currently unreachable, will you PLEASE pass a message on to support that since the introduction of adverts on your company's webpages, the site's performance is dreadful.
Hi Ayesha, I did look into the windspeed after your initial report a few weeks ago, sampling it in the new interest list sim and the 'old' sim about 20,000 times, and I found that the average wind speed was very similar (the newer version had a slightly lower average windspeed, but the difference wasn't statistically significant). It was important to sample over several hours, since sim wind follows a very long cyclical pattern.
The LeTigre 13.02.15.270481 update did introduce the interest list changes compared to the previous version (the changes are detailed in the SLS release notes here), but the average speed over the whole cycle should be the same. If you suspect wind speed has changed, you can sample it on Aditi's SLS channel (which is still on the old 13.01.25.269523 version currently).
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Second Life Server (main channel)
The main channel is getting the server maintenance project which was on all three RC channels last week. This project has miscellaneous bug fixes, along with a slightly better restart notification (which will only be apparent when this new version restarts for the next update):
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/13#13.02.15.270481
Scheduled Tuesday 2013-02-26 05:00-12:00 PST
Second Life RC BlueSteel, Second Life RC LeTigre, Second Life RC Magnum:
All three RC channels are once again sharing the same server maintenance project. The only change with this new maintenance project is a fix for a crash mode.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.02.21.270686
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.02.21.270686
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/13#13.02.21.270686
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-27 07:00-11:00 PST
We will be monitoring this thread as the code gets released, so feel free to note any observations you have about the server updates. If you have a specific bug you'd like to report, please file a Jira.
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Ayesha Askham wrote:MaestroI am seeing what I must assume to be a side-effect of the Interest List. This is all in deferred mode (ie Shadows and Lights)If I look away from my home while shadows are cast towards me, I see the shadow of a partially rezzed building. Just what rezzes is a bit random, but the shadow faithfully reproduces that which is rezzed.If I then turn so that I am looking at the building, it will then rez and the shadow is that of the fully rezzed building.This may be unavoidable due to the way the viewer and sim code works, but it is surely undesireable?Location: Woods of Heaven, LeTigre RC, sim no 9030.
Yes, that does sound like a side effect of the interest list's optimization of not showing objects which aren't (directly) in view. I forwarded your comment to the interest list update team, though I can't immediately think of a non-taxing solution for off-camera objects which cast large shadows within the camera's view.
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Thanks for filing the Jira regarding this issue, Astarte.
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Ayesha, here's a comparison screenshot showing how the restart notification changed. The screenshots were taken with the previous release viewer, 'Second Life 3.4.4 (268864) Jan 9 2013 15:49:53 (Second Life Release)'.
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Ayesha Askham wrote:MaestroI'm not sure you appreciate my point: Server Version13.02.5.270481 is in every way that I can see identical to that rolled to LeTigre last week!!So I ask again, in the case of LeTigre, what's new? In this case I cannot for the life of me see what is being rolled that is different. Is this (in the case of LeTigre anyway) simply a roll to do a restart?(I do aknowledge the value of the weekly restart by the way!)
Ah, the only changes between RC LeTigre 13.02.07.27012 and 13.02.15.270481 are the ones that were introduced to the main channel:
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/13#13.02.08.270166
So the short answer to your question is that it now includes the interest list improvement changes and simulator support for normal and specular maps.
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Hi Ayesha, all 3 RC channels (including LeTigre) are getting the same project, which is detailed in any of the release notes, such as at https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.02.15.270481
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The server deploy schedule for this week is delayed a day from the normal schedule, due to a US holiday on Monday (President's Day).
Second Life Server (main channel)
The main channel is getting the interest list improvement project which has been on Magnum for the past few weeks.
In addition to the interest list changes, this version adds support for normal and specular maps. This blog post has more information about the project. The next step is to release a project viewer, which will allow users to try out this new functionality.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/13#13.02.08.270166
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-20 05:00-12:00 PST
Second Life RC BlueSteel:
BlueSteel is getting a new project, which aims to improve overall sim performance when objects are being rezzed.https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.02.15.270482Due to a last minute bug found in the rez performance project, BlueSteel will instead get the same project as Magnum.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.02.15.270481
Scheduled Thursday 2013-02-21 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC LeTigre:
LeTigre is getting the same object rez project as BlueSteel.https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.02.15.270482Due to a last minute bug found in the rez performance project, LeTigre will instead get the same project as Magnum.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.02.15.270481
Scheduled Thursday 2013-02-21 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC Magnum:
Magnum is getting the server maintenance product which was on LeTigre last week. This update fixes some miscellaneous crash modes, and includes an improvement to the rolling restart 'shutdown' notification (which won't be visible during the initial roll, but should be visible in the 2nd roll when the new code shuts down).
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/13#13.02.15.270481
Scheduled Thursday 2013-02-21 07:00-11:00 PST
We will be monitoring this thread as the code gets released, so feel free to note any observations you have about the server updates. If you have a specific bug you'd like to report, please file a Jira.
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BlackMagi: that slowness sounds like general network slowness. The interest list changes only pertain to Magnum at this point, and inventory fetching uses a totally different subsystem.
Qie: yes, we should update the wiki regarding the IM limit. I suppose we could add a warning tag at this point, but I'm not familiar with which wiki template would be used for that.
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This week's server release schedule has an element of déjà vu, with one server maintenance project from LeTigre entering the main channel, and a new server maintenance project entering LeTigre. BlueSteel and Magnum are continuing with the same projects that they've had for the past few weeks.
Second Life Server (main channel)
The main channel is getting the server maintenance project which was on LeTigre last week. This project is focused on crash fixes:
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/13#13.02.04.269945
Scheduled Tuesday 2013-02-12 05:00-12:00 PST
Second Life RC BlueSteel:
Once again this week, BlueSteel gets the project to support for normal and specular maps. This blog post has more information about the project. The next step is to release a project viewer, which will allow users to try out this new functionality.
The only changes in this week's update are the ones also going into the main channel.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.02.08.270162
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-13 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC LeTigre:
LeTigre is getting a new maint-server project. This update fixes some miscellaneous crash modes, and includes an improvement to the rolling restart 'shutdown' notification (which won't be visible during the initial roll, but should be visible in the 2nd roll when the new code shuts down).
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.02.07.270127
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-13 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC Magnum:
Magnum is getting an update to the interest list improvement project. This projectshould reduce the bandwidth usage of viewers due to object updates, and should improve simulator performance, especially in sims with many connected avatars.
As with BlueSteel, the only changes in this week's update are the changes also going into the main channel.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/13#13.02.08.270166
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-13 07:00-11:00 PST
We will be monitoring this thread as the code gets released, so feel free to note any observations you have about the server updates. If you have a specific bug you'd like to report, please file a Jira.
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Hi Nalates, there have been reports of griefer activity in Hippotropolis recently, which may explain the issues you've seen. Are other BlueSteel regions affected?
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Hi Nalates, the RC rolls finished roughly on schedule. The status blog didn't have the rolls marked as 'Resolved', but this has been corrected. What types of problems are happening in BlueSteel regions?
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The server release train continues to run at full steam this week. Choo-Choo!
Second Life Server (main channel)
The main channel is getting the server maintenance project which was on LeTigre last week. This project has miscellaneous minor bug fixes and new features.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/13#13.01.25.269523
Scheduled Tuesday 2013-02-05 05:00-12:00 PST
Second Life RC BlueSteel:
Once again this week, BlueSteel gets the project to support for normal and specular maps. This blog post has more information about the project. The next step is to release a project viewer, which will allow users to try out this new functionality.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/13#13.02.01.269843
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-06 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC LeTigre:
LeTigre is getting a new maint-server project. This update fixes some miscellaneous crash modes, and offers minor performance improvements.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/13#13.02.04.269945
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-06 07:00-11:00 PST
Second Life RC Magnum:
Magnum is getting an update to the interest list improvement project. This projectshould reduce the bandwidth usage of viewers due to object updates, and should improve simulator performance, especially in sims with many connected avatars.
This week's update addresses a communication issue which lead to LibOMV bots to have high bandwidth usage. Additionally, this update includes server support for normal and specular maps, which is detailed in the BlueSteel section.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/13#13.02.01.269856
Scheduled Wednesday 2013-02-06 07:00-11:00 PST
We will be monitoring this thread as the code gets released, so feel free to note any observations you have about the server updates. If you have a specific bug you'd like to report, please file a Jira.
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Lydia and Briggs: could you file a BUG Jira and attach your Secondlife.log file from a session in Aditi/Morris? This page describes where the the viewer log can be found: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/How-to-report-a-bug/ta-p/733545#Section_.3
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Lucia Nightfire wrote:Another thing that got promoted from BlueSteel regions is a crash mode with agent departure from regions upon their send home, ban and/or ejection.I expect the frequency of these crashes will now increase grid-wide thanks to there being no resolution on this issue yet. I'm already seeing an increase now.References:Related:
Hi Lucia, I checked out those Jira issues you cite, and they also happened in Second Life Server 12.12.18.268345.
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Deploys for the week of 2013-03-11
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Dagger, I suppose you mean the BUG-1814 issue with interest list subscription following some region crossings in a vehicle, which people have posted to the last few deploy threads about? I don't have any news about that, except that we're still investigating it.