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1 hour ago, Aethelwine said:

Whilst their plan A, to ask for the continuing preferential treatment with regard to rentals on a not for profit sim is not that unreasonable, I agree there needs to be more of a plan B than just chuck money at us to help with tier costs. At best that can only be a short term fix.

The month deadline seems perilously close now, because I do think losing these sims would be a crying shame and waste. I am not seriously suggesting this but if Linden Lab took it over, attached it to the waterways connected to Bellisseria maybe near Pyri fair or to Horizons and offered rentals there to Premium members they would be snapped up in seconds. My point is that promoted right the sim could become a thriving and lively community. 

Various possibilities are being discussed with the people who are committed, involved and cause in the matter. Thank you for your appreciation.

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1 hour ago, TDD123 said:

To achieve this the creator, while filling only 1 region for activity, used the surrounding sims for the big sklyine you see on these photos. 

 

You'll find all five sims are populated by buildings, skyline is only in the surroundings. 

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1 hour ago, Selene Gregoire said:

That's just.... wow. Of all the ones I've seen that were considered... this one LL should definitely preserve. The aesthetics alone is worth preserving.

Yes, thank you for appreciating. That's all that matters in fact. 

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1 hour ago, TDD123 said:

I' ve been taking pictures only .. not time much to actually explore or try things.

I do notice signs of abandoment, the rental being one of them.

I think though there is still activity on the sim.

All is still operational. The sense of abandonement is intended in the design of the sim. 

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1 hour ago, CheriColette said:

Love the touch of green nature in the otherwise steel environment. 

Is the Aquarium empty? I didnt see anything in it last night when I was over there. 

Happy you like it. The two cyber sirens go under maintenance periodically.

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6 minutes ago, MarcMorality said:

we get to see very few sims like this ...the last one i spent time on vanished wihtout notice...shame that for a virtual experience creativity and impeccable attention to detail and design these people cant be awarded an affordable sim or a "grant" for the rest of us to enjoy ..my 2 cents

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you very much Marc

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35 minutes ago, MoekoTatekana said:

I'm so very sad that HL may have to close.  Sci-fi in many forms has always been something special to me.  I love visiting both Hangars & Insilico.  I'm joint owner of a Sci-fi/Fantasy store and would happily rent space for our Sci-fi stuff to help if that was of any help, but I am unsure if that can be done with the discussion around non-profit and land fees?  I would also happily rent a little home there!  Hopefully we can all pull together and help somehow.  😞

Thank you so much. 

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34 minutes ago, Aemeth Lysette said:

Hangars was an art-home for me. All the poetic and creative types gravitated there. Djehan was always making cool things, experimenting with design, and basically built this cyberpunk poet's utopia that anyone with an artistic heart could flock to. That was the base of Hangars, the beatnik art home of those who dreamt of future possibilities. She is honestly one of the coolest people I've ever met, and it hurts to see this happen to the sim.

We know things can't last forever on the grid. One day, all of this will be dust. Thankfully, I know Dje has VR, and I can convince her to think about building Hangars elsewhere. Even if it's an Oculus experience to sell in a sideload store (which would support her!), the spirit of the place could live on.

There are many things possible now that virtual reality is growing in consumption. I don't see this as the end for Hangars. In tarot, the Death card is not always a card of endings. Sometimes it's just one of transition and change into the next iteration.

Thank you dear Cake!

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5 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

if you want to keep it going as it is, an ongoing environment,  and not turn it into a museum (which it will we be if it goes down the preservation path) is to get creative financially.  The only viable path to keeping it on the non-profit discounted program is thru donations

donations/tips in the general sense, can be viable when there is no implicit benefit given that is disallowed

a thing that I would also look at in return for a donation is Recognition.  A wearable group tag over a donor's head is a form of Recognition. A donor guild tag, a donor guild rank, etc. Perhaps collective guild rez rights anywhere on a region set aside for that purpose, etc

the other thing of course is that  only 1 or 2 regions could remain as non-profit, the binding for the community. The other surrounding regions go full commercial and the rents set to cover them and the 1 or 2 binding regions.  It may be that this path allows the community to grow. Other people who already have regions of their own and have the shared passion may move their regions and attach them to the bindings

 

Once again, thank you Molly for being on topic and offering practical and viable ideas.

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1 hour ago, animats said:

I went there to say goodbye. Walked around for an hour, looked into some vacant rentals, tried the sushi bar, flew around in a mini-helicopter and took video. I'll miss that place.

But it just wasn't used much. I've never seen more than three people in its five sims.

Maybe you came when we were all sleeping, lol. I've never seen only three people in the five sims in ten years. Thanks for the appreciation and for your visit. No final word is yet said, we have had a lot of appreciation especially inworld, with major builders and coders coming to offer support. 

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1 hour ago, Mollymews said:

maybe the fandom could do that

think of the rental box as a donation to the non-profit.  Only becomes a actual rental if people mount their own stuff in the space, or treat the space as for their exclusive use. Nobody has to do that part

Thanks Molly, a friend who's a long time real estate owner in Sl is looking if this is legally possible within the Linden Labs Tos and rules. 

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2 hours ago, kiramanell said:

If it helps, I will gladly rent a space there (if they lose the discount) Djehan has always been so kind to me.

P.S. Way to sabotage your own virtual world, Lindens!

Dear Kira, get in touch with Djehan, I will make sure I tell her. See you there, you're always welcome to my home in North. 

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4 hours ago, kiramanell said:

OMFG!! I love Hangars Liquides! Can't believe they're closing.  This was my all-time fave Sci-Fi sim, with a beautiful, dim Blade Runner kinda feel to it.

This is a sad day for SL.  

Kira, thank you for your love and appreciation!

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27 minutes ago, Annwehn said:

I'm terribly afraid this is not going to sound fact based at all, or add much after all that has already been said, and probably it's just a bunch of emotional platitudes.  I hope it helps a bit though.  Hangars has been my home in SL for around nine months, before then I had often come to visit and spend hours letting its atmosphere soak in.  Djehan's wondrous work would make me feel transported to these places that authors like Gibson, K Dick and others had envisioned, an always too near dystopian world both beautiful and scary, fascinating and terrifying.  The city's grey concrete buildings would help me reflect on what means to be human, would fill me with emotions of despair and hope, loneliness and belonging,  peace and chaos, help me find myself every time.  A window to twelve years in the life of an artist that I believe makes SL a more meaningful, beautiful and essential place, worth being preserved for others to come and experience.  Thank you,  Djehan, Lawrence and everyone in the HL team for this unique, extraordinary opportunity.

Thank you Annwehn

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32 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

Some folks call them the "art" industry over here with art put in paranthesis on purpose.

• What constitutes as art?
• What is acceptable in art?
• What is the bare minimum of art?
• What is the purpose of art?
• Who decides on art?
• What is good art?

Anyone offering a simple solution on any of the above propably might not be suited to answering them in the first place.

I may quote several art critics' books that come to my mind to answer some of the questions you highlight. However, I would go off topic. So, to stay on topic:

Inworld:

- LL itself chose to use Hangars to advertise Second Life. I won't name the numerous other builders (some are Sl legends who started it, coders, fashion creators) who live in HL and come to express appreciation.

Rl:

-William Gibson, the godfather of cyberpunk lived in Hangars for a whole year in order to gather material for his book. Djehan and me are both in the book. 

- When I proposed Venice Art Biennale, the first, biggest and oldest modern and contemporary art event (two centuries history), a project by Djehan Kidd and me, they accepted based on her city Hangars Liquides.

-Two famous italian architects, one of them teaching at MIT Senseable Lab, told me she's a great architect despite her being graduated in multimedia arts and not architecture, and that they would love to collaborate. 

-As mentioned by New World Notes article, Hangars was covered by Oprah and the Telegraph. Great art never goes unnoticed. Of course media coverage is not proof of great art. 

Fiona, you may agree that, while Angela Vettese says in one of her books that art is "whatever a certain number of people agree it's art", we need a certain level of selection. That is certainly made within the art system, as Achille Bonito Oliva calls the economical system which deals with contemporary art, otherwise whatever I or anyone else create, may be called art and be in museums.

 

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1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Docents.

Well, not only, art professors teach, art critics and curators are more into organizing and deciding things related to arts. 

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1 hour ago, Fionalein said:

Who decides who's art is superior than someone other's? 

Fiona, this is a very good point you made. In rl museums, international institutions like Venice Biennale and art galleries have curators and critics, people who know what they're talking about. Thanks for bringing this into conversation, because I think the situation Hangars Liquides is in now has happened in the past and will again in the future, and it depends on this point particularly. 

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49 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

My bad then - it also does not help matters however that your very next post quotes yourself with a snippet of what you'd intended to respond to.

Thanks for the suggestion. Now builders, coders, Sl real estate owners are coming to Hangars and I must say the level of conversation is much more positive, productive and on topic. Thank you all anyway to engage in this thread and be welcome to keep posting. 

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2 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Linden Lab decides what posts are on or off topic.

Oh yes, and nice job of sanitizing your response earlier - that doesn't help your case much either.

Didn't sanitize anything, that was an empty post (where I quoted someone without replying) I couldn't delete. Lol

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3 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Linden Lab decides, as carefully as they can. Beginning and end. Our opinions on the matter mean very little.

The owner needs to put forth their request, let them process it and then go from there.

Can general user sentiment sway their opinion? Potentially, yes. It has to be reasoned and based on fact - not opinions.

Thank you. LL of course decides. I will take your post as an inspiration to not reply all off topic posts coming next. 

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2 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

Your lack of considering perspective is remarkable - given the fact you came here to defend an artist

Well, let's both look at each lack of perspective and let's go back to topic, thank you. 

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6 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

They get granted the same chance as everyone else. Who says decides who's art is superior than someone other's? 

Oh, are they? And why are they all leaving since 2010? This is what I am pointing out. 

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4 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

They get granted the same chance as everyone else. Who says decides who's art is superior than someone other's? This thread started with a lot of positive attitude and goodwill towards HL - but sadly the Hangarians do a good job of slowly eroding it away.

All the negative comments and off topic are not coming from Hangarians, lol