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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    5 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

    There is no rule for non-profits to not get donations. There is however a rule, irrespective of RL, that in SL you cannot use rental income to pay for sims that have a non-profit discount. The very reason in the first pages of this thread as well as in the NWN blog which, was from an interview with the owner stating that rental income was the reason for the issue (of which suspiciously now doesn't seem to be the case).

    You can call it what you like, but providing land in SL on a commercial sim to people for payment is income or profit and no matter where it comes from or how its paid (i.e. crowdfunding or linden dollars) you are using the payment for land as a means of supporting your non-profit discount. I take it, seeing as you didn't post any details from Lab saying otherwise, that you don't have any (i.e. approval from labs) and this is the solution you or the owner came up with.

    When people mentioned crowdfunding in the thread as a means to help payment, I can guarantee they didn't mean keep the non-profit discount and crowdfund for "reward of land". That is just low and a spit in the face to the people that respect the non-profit discount fairly and comply 100% with the ToS.

    So congrats either labs don't know or they do and you found a loophole, either way just don't come screaming bloody murder and asking again for people to help save HL when labs find out and stop it or the loophole is fixed.

    I will take your suggestion and never ever come to this forum again for such cases. Thank you

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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

    in General Discussion Forum

    Posted · Edited by Lawrence Celestalis
    Minor spelling corrections

    32 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

     

    Oh come on, you're going to have to do better than that.

    You seriously think I posted a question like that without reading all of the posts. You need to either answer the questions specifically or give me a specific post in which you have answered those questions directly. If that is too much to ask, then instead of saying PR gibberish, just say you wont tell.

    All I can find is you dodging these types of valid and reasonable questions, putting HL in the position of looking shady. For example this is all you have posted:

    Nothing of which explains how you are circumnavigating Lab's specific rule that obtaining monies for provision of homes (i.e. rental income) shall not be allowed to support non-profit sims.

    Plain and simply, I cannot see how you can give a parcel of land and state that it is thanks for a donation. That is just cleverly disguised rental payment/income and the very fact you had to place it on a commercial sim points to that very clearly. You are then transferring this "Profit" over to help pay for non-profit discounted sims. Its like the red cross giving preferential treatment for blood to a person that donated the blood or money to them.

    The very definition of donation is to give WITHOUT reward or expected reward.

    EDIT: Furthermore, if Labs has specifically provided detail stating that using crowdfunding with reward of the provision of land is not income and complies with their ToS for non-profit discount, can you please post it so as others who are non-profit struggling in SL to keep their sims alive can also benefit from this without threat of closure of their sims etc. from rental income?

    I would rather look at the matter from a simplier perspective: i would look for a rule that prevents no profits from getting donations in order to pursue their mission, be it rl or sl. 

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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

    in General Discussion Forum

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Drayke Newall said:

    I'm a little confused. Your a non-profit organisation that cant afford to pay for your sims to keep HL open, yet you have a sim that is now commercial and doesn't get the non-profit discount (I assume). Consequently you are offering parcels on this commercial sim for payment using the crowdfunding which, in essence is still running a rental business only outside of the linden exchange. Wouldn't this just mean the rental payments will only be paying for the commercial sim seeing as it is now at full tier price? or, are you charging an larger outrageous amount for the parcels to pay for the rest of the sims.

    If you are charging a larger amount for the parcels on the commercial sim to help support the non-profit sims doesn't this run in conflict with the ToS stating that rentals cannot help pay for non-profit discounted sims?

    Maybe I have misread, not understood or something but that just doesn't seem right...

    Let me add: no one is charging anyone. The sim builder can’t sustain the artwork anymore. We are asking the city supporters whether they want to support the sim with donations or not. This is very common in the art system. Donors want their favourite sim to exist, their favourite artist to maintain it and, more in general, take a stand for a world where art and culture are possible. 

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

    in General Discussion Forum

    Posted

    53 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

    I'm a little confused. Your a non-profit organisation that cant afford to pay for your sims to keep HL open, yet you have a sim that is now commercial and doesn't get the non-profit discount (I assume). Consequently you are offering parcels on this commercial sim for payment using the crowdfunding which, in essence is still running a rental business only outside of the linden exchange. Wouldn't this just mean the rental payments will only be paying for the commercial sim seeing as it is now at full tier price? or, are you charging an larger outrageous amount for the parcels to pay for the rest of the sims.

    If you are charging a larger amount for the parcels on the commercial sim to help support the non-profit sims doesn't this run in conflict with the ToS stating that rentals cannot help pay for non-profit discounted sims?

    Maybe I have misread, not understood or something but that just doesn't seem right...

    Please scroll back for all the answers. All has been covered. Thank you. 

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    Posted

    29 minutes ago, kiramanell said:

     

    I will be brutally honest: I hovered over the indiegogo page, then realized making a contribution means having to share all my personal information with the Campaign holders, such as RL name, address, email, credit card number, etc. And that's getting a little too close for comfort to me. :( So, in a way I really wish she'd charge group fees, or let me rent something fancy in her city, for $LL. Even though I'm still not made of money, I would jump on that toute de suite.

    Hey Kira, you can actually stay anonymous !https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/526856-Do-I-have-to-show-my-name-when-I-contribute-

    Thanks for your committment!

     

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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, Foxy Carpathia said:

    I went there yesterday, ironically, and can not begin to tell my tale....

    I sat down with the creator of these sims (which turn out to be five in total) 

    My friend Angel, accompanied me. 

    She has until August the 1st to come up with 3,000$ USD or the sims she has built, all the builds, the art, will be ..... hit delete.

    I can not fathom the amount of pressure she is under.- 750,000 L....

    I went there and she was kind to us both, very open, and understandably sad.... 

    So I share her link to her market place, a location, and info's....

    I feel like someone is about to set the Mona Lisa on Fire and noone else really cares...

    I am doing what I can to help, and am about to start going to anyone and everyone to help.

    Sad thing is she has 1,100 members in her group and they have no contributed a single thing.

    I think she should axe the whole group, make a new one and charge, hell, all the "stores" do it and people easily drop their L's... Builds aren't free, and neither are awesome Cyber Cities...

     

    Her store on Market:

    https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/110378

    Her YoutubeL

    blergh
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF1fIB_3kkY

    In world TP:

    http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Hangars Liquides/46/64/2232

     

    hangars.png

    That's kind and we're very close to the first target due on August, 1! Thanks for your committment! And yes Djehan is always kind!

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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    1 hour ago, Alazarin Mondrian said:

    How about keeping the core sim as a non-profit exclusively for Role Play with no rental units and the adjoining sims as 'regular' rentals? It could be classed as your usual value-added themed rental. They might have to convert one of the homestead sims to a full sim but that would boost the land impact available for rental units. No doubt if LL made such a concession to Djehann Kidd, every other value-added landlord would be clamoring for a similar deal. Hangars Liquides and Insillico are two of my favourite regions. It would be a real loss to SL if Hangars Liquides had to close up.

    Coming to think of if, the builds on the adjoining homestead sims could all be stacked vertically in a single full 'rental' sim with plenty of prims / land impact to spare. Not only that but the builds would benefit from the better script support that full regions have. Yes, it would be an epic job but it's nothing that you couldn't manage with a few days spent chucking rez box positioner scripts into each linked object. It's certainly doable. FWIW, I had a project 12 years ago that was 1.5 km in height packed into a string of RezFaux boxes [with their 100m radius limit]. The free CasperTech rezzing boxes will record the position of any object in an entire sim so it's definitely worth a try.

    Its a very good suggestion, and actually HL was created as an art sim even if all kinds of rpers always joined in. We're doing a fundraiser on Indiegogo thanking the donors wuith apartments in the commercial sims, so similar to what you're suggesting! :D

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

    in General Discussion Forum

    Posted · Edited by Lawrence Celestalis
    Minor spelling corrections

    12 minutes ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

    I blame the many people who don't understand that "donation" implicitely means that you get nothing in return other than the warm fuzzies in your heart.

    I don’t like melons. I blame the people who don’t understand they taste like polystyrene 😂😂😂

    Avatar Complexity too high ?

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    Posted

    On 7/9/2019 at 4:37 PM, Eva Knoller said:

    Hello! You many cause rendering issues to others, but you may also not be rendered at all depending on other user’s settings. I have mine set to ‘jellydoll’ anyone with a complexity over 200K. I have never seen sim rules listing complexity limits, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Usually script usage is the issue.

    I also always try to keep mine under 200 as well.

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

    in General Discussion Forum

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

    @Lawrence Celestalis

    ... how did you move on from apparently not even knowing about the 1000 USD per annum rentals in the indiegogo campaign to having a technicaly legal explanation for them in such short time?

    What are you talking about?? I always knew that.

    8 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

    Good Luck with saving the project!

    Thanks for the wishes.

     

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