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    Security Orb Creators and Owners

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    1 minute ago, KanryDrago said:

    Human rights make nowhere a better place because they arent enforced....when the states started torturing where was the enforcement? When the iranians started throwing gays off tall buildings where was the enforcement?

    Never said it was perfect, but we have to start somewhere. At least some people have some rights, and we have a basis to encourage people not to throw others off buildings.

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    Security Orb Creators and Owners

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    Human rights are an attempt to make the world a better place. So many more have freedom, or are gaining freedoms, that did not exist before. Think of gay rights, or women's rights, or minority rights.  I'm glad people are paying attention to respect for all and trying to bring about a fairer world, no matter how imperfect or daunting the effort may seem at this time.

    1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way.

    2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences.

    3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety. 

    4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave. 

    5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us. 

    6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you! 

    7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly. 

    8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly. 

    9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country. 

    10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do. 

    11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true. 

    12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason. 

    13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish. 

    14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe. 

    15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.

    Security Orb Creators and Owners

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    12 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

    To be an inalienable human right it has to be something that is incapable of being removed. The american governement for example regularly kills people, tortures people and prison rape is regarded as merely part of your punishment

    Let's say I was captured by some nasty government and imprisoned because I was a feisty woman and gay to boot, and their intent was to "beat the gay" out of me or "show me I am subservient to men". They may imprison me, they may beat me, but I would still experience myself as gay and believe I was a free woman not subservient to others (I would still have those human rights no matter what others would do to me).
    I'm not sure where you get the idea that a right is only a right if someone can force the issue. If another is trying to take a right away it only means they are misguided and not respectful of human rights.

    Security Orb Creators and Owners

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    13 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

    And frankly I dont agree with what you claim are moral principals because you are a westerner and I have no doubt you think people of the book morals apply ( think ten commandments) Well sorry I dont subscribe to a lot of those and I am a westerner too. Your moral principles are not necessarily mine so how dare you suggest that there are universal human rights when at least half the globe do not ascribe to your so called moral principles. Western imperialism at its finest

    I don't think you know enough about me to say I subscribe to only Western values with my Western imperialist mindset, and approve of the ten commandments. 

    Is there something you disagree with regarding the United Nations Universal Declaration Of Human Rights?

    United Nations
    Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Simplified Version
    This simplified version of the 30 Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been created especially for young people.

    1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way.

    2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences.

    3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety. 

    4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave. 

    5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us. 

    6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you! 

    7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly. 

    8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly. 

    9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country. 

    10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do. 

    11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true. 

    12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason. 

    13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish. 

    14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe. 

    15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.

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    Security Orb Creators and Owners

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    11 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:

    You cannot claim ethics as a basis for human rights because cultures have different ethics. For example being gay in some cultures will get you executed, in others its celebrated.

    Is it therefore a human right to be openly gay? One cultures ethics says no, anothers say yes. Ethics are a terrible thing to try and base human rights on

    You cannot NOT base human rights on ethics:
    "Human rights are moral principles or norms[1] that describe certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected as natural and legal rights in municipal and international law.[2] They are commonly understood as inalienable,[3] fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being"[4] and which are "inherent in all human beings",[5] regardless of their nation, location, language, religion, ethnic origin or any other status."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights

    The fact that some countries can't accept the fact that, for example, women and gays should have the same rights as everyone else is irrelevant. All you can really say about these countries is that they do not believe in human rights at this time.

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    Security Orb Creators and Owners

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    12 minutes ago, KanryDrago said:
    14 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:

    Human rights are derived from ethics.

    Not at all as different cultures have very different standards of ethics many of which contradict each other. The human race has never managed to create a universally recognised ethics nor will it ever

    I said that what we call human rights is derived from our ethics (you said I was conflating the 2, and I'm not). I didn't say anything about the fact that different cultures have varying standards regarding what is ethical.

    I would say, though, that if a particular culture thinks the bigger kid should get all of the orange just because he can, that this culture is wrong. Fairness and justice should prevail whenever possible because it demonstrates that we value all and not just one bully that can turn "might makes right" into their reality. 

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    1 hour ago, KanryDrago said:

    Ah finally she gets it, there is no right or wrong, merely what you can enforce

    Let's say you are in kindergarten class, and all the kiddies are sitting in a circle, and hungry. The teacher only has one orange, and puts it in the center of the circle. Is it right for the big kid who had some abnormal growth spurt and was double in size to the rest of the class, to grab the orange and eat it all himself, just because he could?  Or is he right to divide it into sections and give everyone a piece?

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    Copycats

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    8 minutes ago, kiramanell said:
    25 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:

    Do we have to have some sort of rule that encodes one side as the one true way? That would not be the "sharing" that you advocate.

     

    Yeah, actually we do, LOL; it's called the Covenant. :) And it specifically states "*Residents may decorate the interior of their house to their liking." Full stop.

    Of course we have the right to do what we want, and it says so in the covenant.

    The discussion is about what it means when another person imitates them completely. What would you do if a friend imitated how you dressed, and I mean down to the exact same piece of clothing and hairstyle. What if they showed up for public events you both attended looking just like you when they knew in advance what you planned to wear. My reaction would be a desire to get them to think more for themselves, learn to be their own person more, and not copy others. 

    There is no ruling that can be made about this. I'm only saying I DO understand those who would wish another would not copy them completely. Sharing is great, to a point. 

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    Copycats

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    2 minutes ago, kiramanell said:

    I might not like it per se, if ppl copied my interior literally for the full 100%, but I would never say anything, or rally to see such behavor stop. Way I see it, there's really only 2 ways to do this: either we all agree (as per the Covenant, btw) that everyone has the right to decorate their homes as they see fit, or get some silly HOA rules governing who is allowed to do what -- with all the ensuing drama that comes with it. And I say a polite "No, thank you!" to the latter.

    There is a 3rd way, and that is simply the discussion that is now happening. The OP simply said it was just her 2 cents worth, and I don't see her calling for a ruling although it is evident what she believes.  Seems she just wanted a discussion about it as we are doing.  Can't you believe one way and me another, and allow this? Do we have to have some sort of rule that encodes one side as the one true way? That would not be the "sharing" that you advocate.

    Copycats

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    17 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:
    19 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:

    Not illegal, but I'd be annoyed.

    Why? Do you decorate to please yourself, or to compete with others? If the former, it shouldn't matter what others are doing. 

    I'd say I decorate to please myself, but that includes the desire to be a bit unique. I think most people want to be somewhat unique in home furnishings or with clothes. Imagine you showed a friend this new outfit you put together and the next day the friend shows up with the exact blouse, skirt, shoes, and even hairstyle.  You would not feel like maybe that friend needed to get a little space from you or something, or wonder if they were turning into one of those Borg people on Star Trek with a hivemind type of thing going on?  hehe

    Copycats

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    Just now, Raspberry Crystal said:
    17 minutes ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:

    But to copy it exactly, every piece of furniture, every outside element, the colors of the home, all outside elements placed exactly the same, so that it looks exactly the same as the one you've designed as a kind of cookie-cutter home next to the one you created, well this seems very strange. Not illegal, but I'd be annoyed.

    I'd be weirded out by it, especially if it was next door!

    I know, I'd feel like maybe I had a stalker! hehe

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    6 minutes ago, Evangeline Arcadia said:

    I strongly disagree with the OP opinion.  Who gives a **** how someone else decorates their home (unless it breaks covenant or ToS )? Why is it anyone else's business what someone does with their own home?

    I can comprehend getting inspiration from taking a peek at what a neighbor did and use a few ideas. But to copy it exactly, every piece of furniture, every outside element, the colors of the home, all outside elements placed exactly the same, so that it looks exactly the same as the one you've designed as a kind of cookie-cutter home next to the one you created, well this seems very strange. Not illegal, but I'd be annoyed.

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    Copycats

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    Posted · Edited by Kiera Clutterbuck

    1 hour ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

    It's their money and it doesn't affect me besides being vain. The things you have don't make you unique, unless you've made it yourself.

    Hundreds of thousands of the same car exist. Blue paint is everywhere. You don't own your kitchen's design.

    A design is unique. Choosing how to arrange your personal home, matching items, this makes your home unique. I enjoy strolling through Bellisseria and viewing how many homes differ depending on the home owners design. Does not matter if they are purchased items another created because each design is different. I see immense creativity going on in Bellisseria from the way a home owner decides what to purchase and in the implementation of their choices.

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    Copycats

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    44 minutes ago, Sean Azambuja said:

    Copying others work/homes/AVs/etc isn't very appealing.

    What happened? Does your neighbors house look just like yours now or what?

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    A special message page to thank our beloved Moles

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    52 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

    Kiera! It's so awesome to see you showing the Moles some love! Wonderful that you've had a change of heart and joined us here to express our adoration and devotion to and of all things Mole!

    ❤️Welcome to Team Mole Love Forever! ❤️

    Change of heart? When did I ever say I didn't like the moles?

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