Kiera Clutterbuck
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11 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:1 hour ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
I like honesty and directness myself, but there is a point at which this turns into crudity. I mean nobody really wants another to tell them exactly what they're going to do when they leave the dinner table.
Do you really think that others don't know what you are up to when you don't use the word toilet when you leave the dinner table?
BTW In The Netherlands it is the formal expression to use the word toilet or toiletten in plural.
Nobody will get a red head when you ask a waiter or the bartender where the toiletten are in a restaurant.I always assume they know I'm taking a leisurely after-dinner walk to aid my digestion and improve the sluggish mentality which digestion tends to cause. Not so in your country?
But seriously, in formal situations out in public (in US) I've never heard anybody ask where the toilet is? This would be viewed as somewhat crude. Less so informally, though most say bathroom or restroom even around the home.-
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5 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:
I will amend my unpopular opinion from music is pointless without words to music is pointless if I can't find a way to participate in it.
Why wouldn't simply appreciating the music, taking delight in its beauty, also be a form of participation?
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21 hours ago, diamond Marchant said:
I was hopeful for this forum topic as it is aligned with a topic that interests me, specifically, what sort of virtual world would I want to inhabit. As is if often the case, the topic of this thread drifted. We stayed mostly on topic into page 2 but were into RL issues by page 3.
This is fine, as people gonna say what is on their mind at the moment. But I think the original topic remains worthy of discussion.
Would you like SL and/or the Metaverse to be a place where there is more equality? Is it a good thing, in your eyes, that a head manager at LL advertised SL as such?
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5 minutes ago, SarahKB7 Koskinen said:
Peeve: Americans who are too prudish or squeamish to call a room with a toilet, "the toilet". Instead they use nonsensical nouns like "restroom" or "bathroom" instead.
I like honesty and directness myself, but there is a point at which this turns into crudity. I mean nobody really wants another to tell them exactly what they're going to do when they leave the dinner table.
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On 7/6/2022 at 6:32 PM, Rat Luv said:On 7/6/2022 at 6:24 PM, Persephone Emerald said:
So they're like Greenpeace and PETA?
I don't really know much about those groups, to be honest.
ETA - now I googled, I do remember there was a thing about Greenpeace telling Inuits not to hunt whales, even though they rely on them to survive...I think whale slaughter is horrible but I'm not Inuit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I think Greenpeace would do better getting Seaworld banned, which DOES seem like pointless cruelty for entertainment to me. I should stay out of politics threads, lol.
I read a bit about GreenPeace today. Seems they were against the Inuit killing whales back when there was almost a kind of romanticization over whales in the early 70's, and then they apologized for that stance as it deprived the Inuit of food, and now people are mad at them for supporting the killing of whales and seals too much. LOL It's never easy trying to do anything!
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1 hour ago, Drayke Newall said:13 hours ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
The Daily Mail is not a good source of reputable information; it's known as a tabloid with a very low score at mediabiasfactcheck:
LMAO. You're not serious are you?
So now according to you not only is written evidence bias but also genuine video evidence from a random bystander recording on his phone the incident happening is also fake and bias.
Do you think the bystander went up to the ambulance and asked them to put on their sirens and 'pretend' they were in a rush to get through the traffic jam?
It is clear you have no intention of actually accepting facts provided by evidence, especially when your only comeback is but... but.. but.. its right wing media. 🙄
If you're going to try and come off as the master researcher and berate me for not finding an article you were able to discover "in only 15 seconds" you're going to have to do better than proving your point with an article from a tabloid. It would be like attempting to prove my point with an article from The Enquirer in the US. LOL. Not sure what the Australian equivalent would be, but The Daily Mail in the UK has a bad, bad reputation; inadequate sources, tending to sensationalism, and more. It's mainly for entertainment. It doesn't matter if it has a left or right bias; it's a tabloid and should not be used as a reputable source to prove anything. If you have an ounce of integrity please admit you made a mistake using such a source.
It's likely that an ambulance was slowed down a bit at some point during an XR event. I'd actually be surprised if an outcome was perfect at any gathering where energy is flying high and lots of people are involved. I'd need a more reputable source to know for sure though.
The thing is, just because an ambulance may have slowed down a few seconds doesn't prove the XR protests didn't do any good. I've discovered quite a bit of analysis suggesting XR caused a lot of awareness regarding climate change on the world stage, especially around 2018-2019. I'll have to research more, as I'm interested in the efficacy of protests to facilitate equality or a more just society, related to the various methods they employ.
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14 hours ago, Rat Luv said:
They don't disrupt the companies that are responsible for pollution, why? Why target people going to work who have nothing to do with this? They're really unpopular...I won't post it here, but if you look up "XR Canning Town" on YT, they went to a tube station in East London at 6am and held up a train by standing on the top, and the residents who had to go to work got fed up and grabbed them off (Canning Town is a working class area and quite tough!) Not everybody has understanding bosses, some people are scraping by and only getting paid per hour (they get their pay docked for when they're not on shift)...it's not like being held up is some minor inconvenience and your boss just says "Oh, no problem!", some people can lose money because of it...
Oh well, I didn't mean to rant. XR just really annoy me.
This is important information you've provided as someone who lives in the thick of where XR protests occur. I'd be upset too if I couldn't get to my job on time due to their demonstrations. I take your point in that it would be better if they could direct the protests against those who are mostly responsible for excessive CO2 emissions, and that would definitely not be the poorest in the UK barely scraping by and being deterred from getting to work.
I ask myself though, would I put up with some inconvenience, or could I tolerate those barely scraping by being inconvenienced, if it would be for the greater good, if many more of these poor people would be helped in the long run? Because poor people are dying right now; migrations are increasing due to the effects of climate change, famines are worsening, more are dying from heat-related illnesses and additional climate disruptions.
So, I think personally (not saying you should) I could tolerate some inconvenience if I thought more people would be helped than hurt. But then we'd have to establish if these particular protests are even doing any good. They certainly are bringing awareness to the issues, and that's beneficial. But by being too confrontational one can do more harm than good. I can imagine those who need to get to jobs would not think XR is doing any good at all, but I don't know the overall numbers on what everyone thinks about XR in the UK. It can be hard to ascertain if protests even do any good actually, as there's so many variables to measure, and in some cases we don't see the benefits for decades!
Anyway, I hope you aren't colored by the confrontational nature of XR, as most protests aren't so extreme. And reading History, protests have done a lot of good. When the government is corrupt and beholden to moneyed interests, and even the Supreme Court (in the US) is aligned with them, all we have left is our voice, joining together with others who fight against those who oppress us, and saying NO!
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6 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:
Really? You didn't look very hard, which is saying something considering this took me literally 15 seconds to find...
Video: Extinction Rebellion protest blocks traffic and NHS ambulance | Daily Mail Online
You seem to define protesters blocking an ambulance in a manner in which the protesters themselves need to stand in front and block yet, fail to realise that these xR protest where they close of roads or bridges in this case etc can have far reaching consequences.
In the above example xR might not have blocked the ambulance directly however, the chaos caused by blocking a bridge did indeed block an ambulance from the direct route to the hospital meaning that ambulance needed to back track away from the hospital which could have caused serious issues to the patient within due to the delay.
I'm not sure that the fact it took you 15 seconds to find something is anything you want to be advertising. The Daily Mail is not a good source of reputable information; it's known as a tabloid with a very low score at mediabiasfactcheck:
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
"A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis.
Overall, we rate Daily Mail Right Biased and Questionable due to numerous failed fact checks and poor information sourcing.
Detailed Report
Questionable Reasoning: Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Some Fake News, Numerous Failed Fact Checks
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: United Kingdom
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY"More info on them here:
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Equality is concerned with protecting the rights of the vulnerable:
Here's a good example of a global march that enabled better rights for children:
The Global March Against Child Labor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_march_against_child_labor
"The global march against child labour came about in 1998, following the significant response concerning the desire to end child labour. It was a grassroot movement that motivated many individuals and organizations to come together and fight against child labor".
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A riot is the language of the unheard.
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8 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:
I am beginning to regret not being "unkind" earlier.
Be sure and smile when you advise against the destruction of the entire planet.
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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:
Both the Canadian and US governments are prosecuting and incarcerating leaders and followers of the January 6th and Freedom Convoy protests for much less then that [supposedly not letting ambulances through a protest]. Are you supporting those protests too or they don't fit your particular viewpoint or narrative? They are after all what you regard as the proper ways for the will of the people to manifest itself so I would expect you to support those in principle as an activist, regardless if you might disagree with the stated goals.
Protests on either side (left or right) can be beneficial in that they bring awareness to issues and stimulate further action. So to your main question, no I am not only for protests aligning with my viewpoint (progressive).
However, the Jan 6 insurrection was not a protest; via illegal entry into a government building there was an attempt to overthrow the United States government to nullify the results of an election, and to hang a vice-president for not acceding to the wishes of the party that lost the election. This would have ended Democracy (free and fair elections) and taken us closer to an authoritarian one-party state. I suggest watching the most recent hearings on CSpan to understand the gravity of the situation.
I have no problem with people peacefully protesting against vaccinations. I am against political parties using issues to win votes however (and I suspect the GOP was using the Canadian convoy to gain another wedge issue for elections, as funding was traced to wealthy individuals on the far right). Guns, God, & Babies seems to be the main GOP wedge issues, and gaining the anti-vaxxer vote factors in as well.
Anti-vax protestors should be prosecuted if they broke the law; same with anyone breaking the law in the UK by not allowing an ambulance to pass, and there is a law against this, with fines:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/39/contents
Something to consider - if there are vast amounts of protests not allowing ambulances to pass through the streets in the UK wouldn't there be a record of it? I have no inclination to dig that deep into it, but if it's happening a record should exist.Just to be clear, I am against any kind of violence at a protest by either the left or the right; this includes not letting an ambulance pass through a street protest, or destroying property. It's ridiculously black&white thinking to totally trash protests or a movement (like BLM, or the XR mission, or a peaceful anti-vaxxer protest) simply because violence sometimes occurs though.
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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:1 hour ago, Kiera Clutterbuck said:
He's never personally blocked an ambulance though.
But he certainly knows how to bring attention to his cause.
Regardless, he is a founder and leader of the movement and as such his words surely motivate his followers to follow his lead in doing exactly what he said he would do.
He is a co-founder of Extinction Rebellion, but not a leader. On the Extinction Rebellion website they clearly state he is not a leader.
"Extinction Rebellion has a strict policy of letting ambulances through our nonviolent protests. This is a matter of public record. Our policy is designed into every XR action, and we move aside for flashing lights and sirens – ambulances, fire engines, paramedics.
Comments made yesterday by Roger Hallam were made in his own capacity, about a hypothetical scenario, not on behalf of Extinction Rebellion.
XR does not have leaders or “bosses” as stated by some papers today, we are a decentralised movement.
In the face of the climate and ecological emergency happening now, Extinction Rebellion recognises the need for actions that are highly disruptive and controversial, while remaining committed to nonviolent civil disobedience".https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2021/10/05/5th-october-statement/
As a prominent person in XR he might have undue influence over other protestors though, so I do take your point. In my view it's good that XR made it clear Roger Hallam was not speaking on behalf of XR and that they have no leader.
I also understand Hallam's point, usually not stated in interviews surrounding this fiasco, that it's odd how people are upset about one person not making it to the hospital, perhaps even dying, but seem unconcerned about the millions or billions of people who will die due to the climate catastrophe we are facing.-
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History Tells Us That Protests Can Bring Change
https://njsbf.org/2020/11/19/history-tells-us-that-protests-can-bring-change/
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5 hours ago, cunomar said:
Rosa Parks
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8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:
That is why I bolded the important quote:
Mike asks Hallam: “If it were an ambulance and there was someone in there that could potentially die, would you stay there?”
“Yep,” Hallam instantly replies."
He's never personally blocked an ambulance though.
But he certainly knows how to bring attention to his cause.
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5 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:
All those words, just to prove me right.
All those words did not prove you right. They proved that there is no evidence that Extinction Rebellion ever kept an ambulance from heading to their destination. If you want to continue claiming that these "ambulance accusations" are anything beyond a far right meme to trash those who are interfering with corporate gas profits by bringing awareness to climate change you will need to present evidence.
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4 hours ago, cunomar said:
I am under no illusions with regard to the backlash i would very likely face , but if your not willing to accept the consequence of standing up for your principals .................... , and when i wound up in court i'd say i'm here because the law wrong .
First day of a new school I walked into the changing rooms to find the biggest kid in school punching a much smaller kid (about the same size as me) who was curled up in a ball on a bench . All my senses screamed for me to attack the bully but it would have been a suicide mission . Instead i told the kid to hit back . The bully stared at me and i stared right back .He knew i wasn't going down without a fight and so he walked away .
I didn't change the world but i'm sure i made life a little easier for someone . Kinda funny how years later he and his boyfriend decided to visit my black girlfriend and were horrified to find me there lol . I suppose because she was a fair bit older than me they never made the connection on hearing my name .
Please don't tell anybody they said which i found hilarious , tell anybody what - that you have both been very obviously gay for the whole world to see from the moment i met you all those years ago lol .
Rosa Parks courage as an individual changed the world and similar happens a million times a day though it rarely provokes a media circus .
If you care for the planet then show it by cultivating the garden of someone unable to do it themselves for financial or physical reasons . Do something useful instead of blocking roads causing people to spend twice as much time and fuel getting to work . Pissing off your peers in the hope it might move the mighty is simply ridiculous .
There are many ways to change the world to make it better. All are needed.
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2 hours ago, cunomar said:
Its easy to say it because i didn't grow up in that era or place , but I find it very easy to imagine giving up my seat on the bus for Rosa Parks just because i live by my own rules , my own sense of right and wrong . I've no banner to tote because just live and let live is how i see it
I'm glad you would not hoard a seat and make a middle-aged black woman stand at the back of the bus. I never thought otherwise, and I've never thought you were prejudiced yourself.
But if you had done that, you might have been beat up by those not wanting the social order rocked in any way. It would have even been illegal for you to try to change the seating arrangements on the bus, and likely you'd have been arrested.
This is to say that in order to gain rights and create social change we need to join with others. There is power in numbers. It's fine for you to do the right thing as an individual as you claim you would have, and it's fine if you "have no banner to tote" and never want to join a group to help make a just society. I'm only saying that you as one individual cannot change society by yourself, and that's really what we're talking about here - how do we create equality as much as possible? What helps to achieve this? Even Rosa Parks, brave as she was when she refused to go to the back of that bus where the "colored' were assigned, had a whole movement in society behind her waiting to help.
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1 hour ago, Paul Hexem said:
I wouldn't call dying in the back of an ambulance an inconvenience. I wouldn't blame a heart attack or crash victim at all for not agreeing with people that almost killed them.
You're correct that not all protests are like that, but we as humans have a really bad habit of giving bad behavior a pass if we agree with the reason for it.
Most people who protest care about saving life and want to maintain rights for people so they can live a good life, so it makes no sense they would jeopardize any person's life by not allowing an ambulance through.
No doubt there are some asshats among them, as for sure not all people who are in any kind of movement or within any group are mentally stable. Perhaps an ambulance was indeed blocked at some point, but if so I think this would be rare.
But I really think this was the far right trying to paint protesting, often done by the left, as bad. I see far right websites blasting them, calling them "eco-terrorists" at Breitbart "News", but in more reputable news sources I see this:"Extinction Rebellion climate change activists have staged protests in the centre of London for a second day, blocking Vauxhall and Lambeth bridges.
Hundreds of protesters prevented cars and buses crossing but ambulances were let through."https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-61057845
On Extinction Rebellion's website it states they let ambulances through:
https://twitter.com/xrebellionuk/status/1445262726146625536"Extinction Rebellion has a strict policy of letting ambulances through our nonviolent protests. This is a matter of public record. Our policy is designed into every XR action, and we move aside for flashing lights and sirens – ambulances, fire engines, paramedics.
Comments made yesterday by Roger Hallam were made in his own capacity, about a hypothetical scenario, not on behalf of Extinction Rebellion.
XR does not have leaders or “bosses” as stated by some papers today, we are a decentralised movement.
In the face of the climate and ecological emergency happening now, Extinction Rebellion recognises the need for actions that are highly disruptive and controversial, while remaining committed to nonviolent civil disobedience".https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2021/10/05/5th-october-statement/
Interestingly, since the far right did some of their own protests with the convoys in Canada I see less of the accusations levied against protests overall in more recent months. I guess protests are good and nobody is ever harmed when they do it themselves? Hmmmm
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1 hour ago, Paul Hexem said:
That said, I do think it's incredibly foolish to screw with someone's day to day life
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1 minute ago, Da5id Weatherwax said:
Oh, we ask them nicely once, because we're all decent human beings, right? If they then keep slapping, even after we've turned the two cheeks in front AND the two behind, then a teensy bit of slapping back might be in order
I'm thinking they encourage you to get to that point so they can whine that they are the abused ones. 🙄
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Explosions well beyond the 4th that keep scaring my cats to death!
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I've heard the word 'sunroom' used more often, as opposed to 'greenhouse'. I don't believe I've ever heard such a room referred to as a conservatory here, but I could imagine its usage in the New England area of the US.
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