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2 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

No, BoM layers rez at the same time. So I must be thinking of alpha cuts. I know I use alpha cuts nearly as much as alpha layers. So that's probably what I'm thinking.

That's why the requirement should be...must wear a system skin with modesty panels.  If nothing mesh, body included, rezzes, the system body will be sufficiently covered.

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Just now, Daniel Regenbogen said:

Sadly the rule changes don't target adult activity. If they did, I would be all for them. They target existence, not actions.

Yeah, they kind of do to the extent LL can without explicitly banning child avatars.  

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Just now, Daniel Regenbogen said:

In case you do not know (but seeing that you actually used that word yourself you should know): these laws are about *sexualized" display of children.

Which is exactly what the new rules are hoping to prevent. 

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Laws have been enacted to criminalize "obscene images of children, no matter how they are made", typically under the belief that such materials may incite real-world instances of ***** abuse. Currently, countries that have made it illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be below eighteen include New Zealand, Australia, Canada, South Africa, South Korea, and the United Kingdom.

No one is saying child avatars are children in RL but there ARE laws around the globe preventing that cartoon child from engaging in adult activity.  LL and SL is global and does need to adhere to those rules.

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Can you link a photo?  

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15 hours ago, animats said:

What's "Voodoo"? Is this is a place in SL, or something like those fishing games used to attract users?

Voodoo has sploders and a stand alone security system.  So yeah, the sploders are purely a traffic item, IMO.  There is actually a HUD, offered for free by the creator of Voodoo, to show where to find active sploders.

Second Life Marketplace - XPLODER : Voodoo Sploder Tracker HUD

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50 minutes ago, Wincil said:

I think it's easy to distinguish a adult body shape from a actual child one some women do have large breasts and some are flat chested irl and women usually have wide child bearing hips. (My avatar body shape as a average breast size and is actually based on that.)

You basically just contradicted yourself in one post.  Some women are flat chested (like children) and some women have wide hips (while some don't like children).  So, how to you tell a flat chested, slim hipped woman from a child?  Usually, the face.

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3 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

The new ToS is in effect now. Only the modesty layer aspect is delayed.

 

So the part about no sex, no nakie and no adult regions is in effect.  Why would that be a problem?

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17 minutes ago, sirhc DeSantis said:

And the numbers show - <100 on forum versus 48k + online in world. Including me so yeah

I'm only inworld between 5am - 11am SLT.  

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17 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

You just dismissed the entire community of Tinies, Dinkies, and a huge percentage of wholesome Furries. Not cool.

Not to mention that wasn't it the adult side of SL  that kept the lights on?  Now it's the children?  

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5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Ok thanks. I wonder what qualifies as the more severe offenses because from a couple of banned accounts I had heard they were never warned ahead of time and were never allowed to defend against the charges. They also mentioned they didn't engage with anyone sexually that there might be a log implicating them in that sort of behaviour.

The answer was in regards to this specific new policy.  No.idea.if this has always been the case.

I always hear about people who got banned for AP who swear up.and down they never engaged in that behavior.  Not once does anyone say they knew someone who was banned that admitted that's exactly what they did.  I find it extremely hard to fathom that all these people were.banned for no reason.  Seems counterproductive for.the Lab to do that.  

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Just now, Stephanie Misfit said:

I would say those people participating in this thread who have child like avatars, and profiles that say they are into BDSM, could find themselves on the "serious offense" side of things.

True but those child avatars concerned about the modesty panels probably don't need to be too concerned right now.  It's 2 months until they say they will enforce.and probably a grace period after.that depending on how much content becomes available with those panels.

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5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Where did you get this from? I'd be interested to see official verification of that statement.

Q: Will Residents be immediately terminated if it is determined they are violating any part of the new policy?

A: Not all violations of the policy will result in an immediate termination. Depending upon the nature and severity of the violation, Governance has a suspension tree that is utilized to make attempts to educate the Resident first. However, if those attempts fail and the behavior is continued, it will result in termination. For the more severe offenses, the immediate action will still be to terminate their access to Second Life.

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3 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Which is still an incorrect assumption. Anyone can be AR'ed for being an underage avatar. The question being will Governance actually investigate in spite of their assurances they will now start doing what they apparently up to now haven't been.

And that was my point.  How one is perceived by others will determine if they are ARed or not.   I could be reported for being a child (under 18) avatar in an adult region.  Until LL gives some clearer definitions of what is and isn't considered too young looking, I think some region owners will still err on the side of caution.  Will it be fair?  Probably not but that's been the case for years.  Governance might have a lot more work going forward without much benefit overall.

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1 minute ago, Starberry Passion said:

I don't want to get your point because you're not trying to get mine. I never said anything about turning, just stop talking to me. 

 

1 hour ago, Starberry Passion said:

When you turn 18, you are an adult. How would one get thrown under the bus for being an adult? I don't understand.

 

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2 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

No one said you said LL bans all, You interjected yourself  to tell me "you can be this and that for looking 16" When I never said you couldn't, into a reply that I was replying to someone else that was worried about people throwing them under the bus for being young adults AND I assured them they will not have anything done to them by Linden Lab for being 18+.

Nope but anyway...

51 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

When you turn 18, you are an adult. How would one get thrown under the bus for being an adult? I don't understand.

 

45 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

So what? Any avatar in SL should be 18+ in RL including the ones who go about as an under 10 avatar. Their RL age has no bearing on whether they can be banned.

 

41 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

What does that have to do with what I asked? If your 18 on second life, you're am adult just like real life. If you're 10 in second life, you're a child.

No one can get you banned in an adult sim for being an adult, unless the Owner bans you from their sim for being 18. Linden Lab wouldn't ban your account because you're still an adult.

How does an avatar turn 18?  What determines an 18 year old in SL?   If you say your avatar just turned 18 but you still look 16, are you an adult just because you say so?

Getting my point yet?  NVM.  🙄

 

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3 minutes ago, Wincil said:

Not everyone would see my avatar as a child so moot point. 

Where did I say everyone?  Please, read and comprehend what I've written.  

 

3 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

Your point? that states if an owner doesn't want 18 years old in their sim, they can ban them but they can't get banned from second life for being 18. Please try again.

Once again, you're failing to understand.  One of the premises of the thread is what determines who looks like a child.  If you say your avatar is 18 and it looks 16,  the region owner can kick you out.  How LL determines who looks like a child is not what I have been talking about at all.  

I've not said anything about LL bans at all.  Just region owners.

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12 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

I really don't see what this has with the issue at hand.  As a sim owner I have the right to kick anyone out that I don't want there.  I can do this for any reason, or for no reason other than I don't want them there.  An as to that I don't owe LL or them a reason for doing it.  

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That's my point.  I was responding to this post...

22 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

 

No one can get you banned in an adult sim for being an adult, unless the Owner bans you from their sim for being 18. Linden Lab wouldn't ban your account because you're still an adult.

 

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11 minutes ago, Wincil said:

I could care less if people think my avatar is a child avatar or looks 16 my avatars has curves but not overly curvy. 

Nor should you care.  I agree.  The only point I've made is...other people may see your avatar as a child and refuse to let you enter.  That's it, that's all.

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3 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

What does that have to do with what I asked? If your 18 on second life, you're am adult just like real life. If you're 10 in second life, you're a child.

No one can get you banned in an adult sim for being an adult, unless the Owner bans you from their sim for being 18. Linden Lab wouldn't ban your account because you're still an adult.

Simply saying you're +18 or +21 won't keep a region owner from banning you if they think you LOOK younger.  What LL considers looking like a child is still ambiguous.  If you go into an adult region and the owner thinks you look 16, they can kick.you out.

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Wow

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15 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

If 4chan this much fun?

Asking for a friend.

I have no clue.  I read it once ages ago.  Being called normies earlier made me.think of it.

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Just now, Wincil said:

Tbh "all anime people are pedophiles" is the worst mentality anyone could have on the planet. Does kind of people are the actual pedophile who's projecting. 

Omfg...no one has said.that..at all!   

Is 4chan down today or something?

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16 minutes ago, Wincil said:

Not every adult region has that restriction.

Reading is fundamental.

What I actually said was...

21 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Every single adult region I go to has a restriction against anime type avatars so I'd say a majority of people see them as children.  Whether YOU see.them as such is really irrelevant.

 

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5 minutes ago, Wincil said:

I wouldn't say that most people do. 

Every single adult region I go to has a restriction against anime type avatars so I'd say a majority of people see them as children.  Whether YOU see.them as such is really irrelevant.