Tamara Artis

Aaaaaaa thank you thank youuu! I didn't remember Torley, love his videos!!

What it means? I am not so young anymore but I have no idea about it! All I know is Be Back Soon but somehow... I don't think thats it lol

LOL and not only that her shop doesn't exist, it seems her avatar doesn't exist

When writing, after a punctuation mark we are supposed to hit space. I am advising this because you will write and send many group notices where it will be important to write correctly or as close as possible Next time you are online do a research - take few brands that you like and observe what and how they do their marketing... join their group and check group notices - how often do they send out group gifts, is there maybe some kind of discount for new releases, do they join hunts and shopping events? check the profile of the creator - notice how they put information about the brand in their profile pics and name few links where they advertise, their TOS, FAQs and other important things check their marketplace store - banner, store policy, look of the vendors, keywords they use for their listings, pricing, descriptions of the items... visit their in-world store and observe how its set, what type of vendor system do they use and other important things DO NOT COPY OTHER MERCHANTS! It is just to give you an idea of what can be done, you'll do it your way, the way you can. Do not rely on these Forums, there are not many people here, you will spend time and make an effort but the result will not be big. In-world you can join promo groups, many are free and you just have to contact the owner or a manager of the group and ask for posting rights. Groups have it written who to contact for that and please, folow the rules, if it says one notice per week then its just one notice per week! There is a big hunt coming up and applications start tomorrow, will last through the whole July, hunt starts in August, if you manage to get your store running you can apply to be listed as a designer on their website and apply to join the hunt. I wanted to send you infos in-world but it says there is no such avatar?!

Thank you for replying, I hope there will be more... I wish there is some email or something where you can ask Lindens just to be sure you're not doing anything that can be reported...

I would like to hear opinions and experiences with rebranding. Pros and cons... whatever comes up to your mind... Its been so long that I uploaded anything to my MP store I don't even remember how that works! But thats my problem lol, I am interested in a bunch of other things... first about the ranking - if I change only the name of the item, would that affect the rank of the item in a way that it starts all over like it is newly uploaded one? And what if I upload a new version of the item, should I mark it like the new version, along with the new name and all, or I can just change everything? I ask because I remember that relisting is not allowed and I am not sure what exactly is considered as relisting? What is best way to do this on the Marketplace? disable/delete old listing and upload a new one with the same name of the item but different name of the brandupload a new version of the item and mark it appropriately, orsomething else I am not aware of?

I don't know how many poses you bought... for an AO you need several different types of poses: standing animations - probably the most important ones because your avatar will stand most of the times when you're online walking animations - one walking animation is enough for start running - also really important because well we often run and the default animation is pretty funny and weird lol sitting - on the ground and on chair turn left and right - nice ones too! and many others like flying, hovering, typing, crouch, land... You can buy an empty AO on the Marketplace, or maybe better to buy some cheap AO and open it to see whats inside and how it is made. Usually there is a notecard that has names of the animations sorted in different groups. Many animations are made in more than one size - for example child, teen and adult. Some AO's are made so that you don't really need to pay attention to notecards, you just drag and drop them on the AO. Or, if you buy in the shop, the pose will be automatically added into your AO! Ohh I love that shop lol Some viewers have an AO built inside of them and its neat because your avatar will have less scripts and be more friendly I did not mention names because rules of this forum don't allow to name specific stores or merchants because it is considered as advertising. Maybe to specify your question so we know in what direction to answer?

I completely gave up from that after one of the LL employees replied to my message in merchants forum. I said how there is a listing that says how item is cheaper in-world than on the MP, that I have flagged it, flag button is grey for me now and the item is still there. I included a screenshots to show. He replied to flag the item. After I not only said but also showed it with the photo that the flag button is gray lol And its not only the Event section, few days ago I realized the Art. Music and Photography section of these Forums is slowly going dead. One person started a thread with the general question about the SL photography, I replied with the general answer, then one of the scammers used the opportunity to self-promote and replied with the link to her website. I wanted to link it here to show how there is only one post "in the theme" and now it seems that that post was just another excuse to self-promote lol

When I started SL back in 2010. and wanted to find a job to earn some lindens that was first thing I tried, the ad sounded same! They were hiring "models" with no experience and promised looots of money lol. Now watch my job description: first I had to wear their clothes combined with my accessories and all, and walk up and down the catwalk. While doing that I also had to post (I don't remember how much but, at that time, it was omg what?? number for me) a certain number of events on the event board - same ads that I found and applied to lol. Funniest thing was, there was a bot or something (that I didn't know at first) on the nearby parcel that my boss told me that person is watching me and, in case I stop walking down the catwalk, they will call her. I had to walk even if the store was empty! The store was always empty hahaha, except for few noobs same like me, who came to pick up the application. I worked few shifts just to see what outfits she will send me and gave up soon, but for a long time I was seeing her ads there.

If you find the time, it would be good to try several different AO's - you can find them in the marketplace under Animation Override category and usually, at the bottom of item description there is text that says "See item in Second Life ®" which if clicked, will open a slurl - a link to the in-world location of that store where you can go, sit on the pose stand and try all animations that come with certain AO. It will be good just to see the variety thats offered and you will probably want to use different AO's for your characters Usually, AO's have several walking animations, few for when your avatar sits, many standing animations etc. some people like to combine animations and build their own, unique AO's.

I want to add this: wherorangi wrote: and is understood by the professionals that advertorial postings is just not done. And bc the pros hold themselves to the line, then the amateurs see that and do as well I wasn't active for a while so I have no idea if they started this nasty behaviour or someone else but we don't see regular posters and reputable members doing this kind of spam and repetitive violations of Community Guidelines. This group speaks about support, community, help, charity and show utter disrespect to the whole community.

I think this here is a nice example of how something small can turn into big trouble, just because people decided to ignore it... This part of the forums is kinda reserved for amateurs and people who ask for help, but as soon as those amateurs who posted regularly start earning some bigger money they move on and become regulars on some other venues, places where they can reach bigger audience, and earn more money. IMO only reason that business is, as they said, more like a charity, free one that promotes few artists and doesn't earn money, is because they can't, they still didn't manage to reach a bigger audience and collect more group members. And believe me, as soon as they grow you will be able to buy a single or double page spread, or maybe even a cover lol. A while ago I was speaking with one magazine owner who was complaining and talking really bad about some other magazines who sell their covers. His opinion was that a cover represents a magazine and therefore shouldn't be given to whoever pays most. He IS able to represent and support that idea because he is rich and able to pay all of his staff members from his own pocket. Every other magazine sells not only covers but tons of pages in order to earn money to pay for costs of running one. Another friend of mine is starting a new magazine that will feature erotic but tasteful stories and photography, of course for start its all volunteering but, if she manages to collect a bigger audience she will earn some money too. If you look over at issu.com you will find tons of SL magazines, I don't know if MAGE is there but would be really surprised if they're not. All magazines and businesses in general had to start and many did free work in order to "break in". When a business starts to earn money they are able to pay advertisements and I want to believe that this magazine will soon start to earn money and get away as far as they can from here. Money is essential because there are people who work for her, they might start as amateurs but they will become professionals soon and start to charge their services, they will charge it one way or the other, they will work for Othella or someone else and her goal is to keep them working for her. So I really hope she will discover some new venues and forget about this one before its too late. Big problem here is that there are at least 10 amateurs per one professional, at least 10 business owners who are, like Othella, trying to find effective and free ways of promoting their businesses. What I am worried is, when they see how there is a group of people who can spam these forums, start threads just to brag and throw kudos at each other then whats stopping them to do the same? How far are we from completely blocking this spam nest? Spam is extremely effective in killing a place, a group, a website! I used to run a business and quit it only because it was attracting too much attention and because I was surrounded with spam everywhere I looked. I don't know why people think marketing=spam, I see it everywhere, people who apply to be managers write how they are good in spamming the Fb groups lol. You know whats the "new thing" on Flickr? Well not so new anymore but more like a last form of spam people do? They upload a photo, put it into groups blabla then next day change the date when the photo is published from yesterday to today, so if you login and check your stream every day (as most artists do) you will start to see same photos! And of course you will leave the place. I am not writing all this because I hate spam, and I do lol, I am saying this because this forum is public, anyone who is thinking to join SL is 2 steps away from reading all posts we make here and what do you think, is this a good image to show? It was soo wrong of them to make it all personal and call me a hater, I would call out anyone who spams a place, I would mute my own mom if she did this. And I know majority thinks same but, as you could see, there are not so many people interested in this place anymore...

CameronCove wrote: Yesterday I asked if anyone knew where I could find out more about Second Life photography techniques? I posted only that link because I wasn' sure if its allowed to post links to websites of the people who publish tutorials, you see people who have the patience to teach do it for money so posting links to their websites here would be advertising them which is why I only posted a Google search with over 8 million results, sorry it wasn't enough for you lol... you can see we wrote about it in another thread, which I won't be lazy to quote here: Freya Mokusei wrote: By contrast I like this thread. This is an example of the organic content that is interesting to other residents, promotes discussion and self-improvement. Tamara Artis wrote: I want to add, I find that other thread helpful too, and wasn't sure if it was okay to post links to websites of people that I know they posted many tutorials or are offering classes. And if a person in that other thread posted their work and asked for some links where he/she could see some tips for editing I wouldn't consider it an advertisement. Even if it was one, the way it is written doesn't allow it to be marked as an ad or violation of the guidelines here. Maybe, if you found the time or will to reply and search for more detailed information I would send you a PM with a link to my website where I keep detailed list of tutorials that I learned from or tell you that the first website from that Google search will give you 10 times more knowledge than any other particular one. But I am more willing to think ladies who occupied this section finally decided it is time to log few of their alts and start speaking on their behalf. I would advise you to ask a friend who has more posts to come here and say a word or two because a person with 2 posts screams ALT!

Soooo.... what it feels like to see only members of your group are ones to speak on your behalf? Its weird how someone with... how many Avichoice award nominations you said you got this year? Well it is weird to see how someone with sooo many nominations and such a great feedback from the whole community is struggling here all day and none of the forum members who had the opportunity to read your posts all these months actually bothered to say a word or two today.... ahh well... I guess you get what you pay for And, in case you wonder, I came to post on this topic because Miss spam did not dare to reply to the topic I started.

lol right now it makes me happy to see there is someone who wants to read and engage in this part of the forum! I understand your point and was many times in the situation where I wasn't sure where is that strict boundary between the clear advertisement and innocent post about someone's work. I had few of my posts deleted because of violation of CG - because I was posting links to either my websites or specific photos and it is because of that, that I have learned it is better to simply show my work, explain what I did and how, and let the curious people find the links from the signature. Today when I started the thread I had no idea that the situation is THAT bad. Its like everyone gave up and forgot about this place, and then you got this group of people who want to do something, and it seems they like what they do but just by reading the front page and seeing in how many posts they are pushing their brand, I lost the will to even check it.

Is this for real? lol So Othella I hope we helped you gain more traffic to at least some of those 13 links you managed to sneak in this thread. Good luck with your adventure, I am sorry you didn't manage to understand the point and the questions here. I will not try to explain anymore. I am really happy to read that you managed to get, as you said... "a great deal of recognition including three Avi choice nominations in our inaugural year" and I hope that soon you will evolve and get enough group members and followers to be able to earn some money from this adventure so that you can buy a decent ad and stop spamming this place before everyone leaves it and, of course, pay the artists that work for you. Good luck, take care!

Hahahahahaha kudos for this! And a cake :matte-motes-big-grin:

Yeah it seems there is no point in getting involved... I remember ages ago this part of forum was silent and half dead... I suppose moderators felt generous enough to leave it like some sort of playground for self proclaimed artists to make at least some kind of traffic here and gift kudos to each others. Funny how they post new threads instead of replying here lol, I wonder if its maybe all one avatar with tons of alts. Have a nice day ladies

I read it, followed one link and read the interview with the Andressa, part that made me laugh and believe she is ignorant rather than rude (well okay at the end I realized she is rude too) is when she was explaining how she was banned from a well known sandbox - she received 2 textures to build a green screen studio to take some photos - one was green for the inside and other was the logo of the magazine that she still works for. Now first thing person would think off is how the hell any half decent magazine would hire a 15 days old avi? Only way for this to happen is if avatar is an alt of someone who is older and has more knowledge about the SL and how it operates. Then I thought why this person who gave her the texture to build a studio didn't let her use few prims and build it on their own land, instead they sent her to some sandbox full of people? And gave her the logo to show it there? Then I read how she - because she was so young, didn't understand how showing off a logo in a sandbox full of people, (that is offered for free for people to use) was against the rules. And cherry on the cake - she publically called the sandbox moderator an a**hole for not allowing her to advertise that business lol. It is right there on the magazine's page. I want to add, I find that other thread helpful too, and wasn't sure if it was okay to post links to websites of people that I know they posted many tutorials or are offering classes. And if a person in that other thread posted their work and asked for some links where he/she could see some tips for editing I wouldn't consider it an advertisement. Even if it was one, the way it is written doesn't allow it to be marked as an ad or violation of the guidelines here. LOL for starting fires, I don't see it as doing that, these threads will most likely be deleted or forgotten because noone really pays attention anymore.

lol are you serious or just trying to force an argue? What you just tried to do is shame and will only harm the people mentioned in your post. Please think and reread your post before publishing, I have nothing against you or the work/people/businesses you represent so stop with that. There is no elitism here and this is not an award winning speech so I don't understand the need to name all those people here and kiss their certain body parts. If they were paying for your prims and supporting you all this time then they probably liked your work or got some kind of a service from you but thats not the point of this topic nor it is relevant. Point of the topic is the question why some people, including you, suddenly ignore Community Guidelines and probably, in some way, acting like elitist themselves thinking general rules don't apply to them? If you indeed are not hating (and why the need to mention hate?) and are really genuine in saying you are trying to learn from others then read this http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Discussion_guidelines and after reading the guidelines try to understand what are key elements of a promotional post?

Noooo that will not happen. LL wants people to stay here because they get a percentage of money we exchange, they earn from us and now they will have just one more platform, you are free to stay here as long as you see fit but support wise, I believe there will be a slight decrease here in the old SL.

Truth is there are other websites that offer bigger exposure but those pages are filled with promo posts and its hard to find someone who will pay attention to you after they realize you are not there to buy their product. Its all about the money and all wannabe big famous merchants... This place was kinda normal, quiet, okay to relax, read posts and exchange opinions with everyday people who do their art for fun not profit. I'm just sad to see it turning into this. Reason I pointed to the problem is because I believe there are many residents who could follow the example of those few members who are doing this now. They don't do it because, as you said, there is no point in trying because the potential exposure can be ignored and (I hope) because they are fair enough to respect the rules. Saddest thing is, I love those things and support all kinds of expressions, I would dive into it but when I see it represented like this, then its just a big NO!

I went on Google and searched for "Second Life photography techniques" Here is the link YouTube is also great and there are hundreds of tutorials about different techniques.

Andressa I suppose you are working at one of those venues so you are obliged to defend them and therefore your post isn't relevant but thank you anyway I appreciate all opinions. I agree with Freya that its hard to set the boundaries but what happens lately in this section is clear self-promotion and it is a matter of time when other residents think "if they can do it and get away with it then I will post my ads too!" What if I posted an ad on several websites saying how Art, Music and Photography section of SL Forums is now okay to promote your work? I have few thousands followers and could do it without a problem. Now imagine hundreds of bloggers making posts about their work or merchants who don't specifially say "buy my product" but notify everyone about their new artistic expression? There are tons of merchants whose work here is pure art and only reason they don't post in this section is because of the poor exposure. I miss the old days when I could see posts from random people asking questions about some topics that interested them or simply saying "look what I did" and then asking for feedback. There is a huge difference between a post made by xy Resident who just wants to show their work and post made by a business owner or their representative whose goal is to attract new subscribers and group members for their business. If you want to advertise your business, buy an ad like everyone else or put it in your signature.

I remember this as my favorite section of the SL Forums... and now it seems it has turned into selfish self-promotion. There are 7 posts on the first page that advertise some magazine, several other gallery advertisements and posts aren't removed. Does that means its okay to advertise your business here? Or this part of the forum is simply overlooked because noone reads it?