bigmoe Whitfield Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 now I was doing some digging and found this https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Chat_Systems#How_to_Configure_an_XMPP_Client at the bottom is says wonder if that's still valid? least a little bit. could be useful for 3rd party chat clients that support xmpp. @MontyLinden this still valid? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, bigmoe Whitfield said: could be useful for 3rd party chat clients that support xmpp Is there any ? I, for one, would prefer an end to end encryption option for IMs in SL: I am not particularly happy with the fact that the IMs text is transmitted in non-encrypted form via UDP packets over the network, and not too happy either with the fact that private conversations can (or at least could) be logged and/or eavesdropped by LL... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Henri Beauchamp said: Is there any ? I, for one, would prefer an end to end encryption option for IMs in SL: I am not particularly happy with the fact that the IMs text is transmitted in non-encrypted form via UDP packets over the network, and not too happy either with the fact that private conversations can (or at least could) be logged and/or eavesdropped by LL... chat logs are LL's safe guard and can be handed over to law enforcement agencies on request. Only way you are getting end to end encryption too is if LL has the decryption keys. it is their service after all. if it was your service than you could do it your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, bigmoe Whitfield said: chat logs are LL's safe guard and can be handed over to law enforcement agencies on request Speak for yourself: as an EU user, LL must comply to the GPDR regarding my communications, and as a French user, to the ”Informatique et Liberté” law; private communications such as user to user IMs (NOT local (i.e. public) chat, neither group IMs), shall be protected and its privacy ensured; the only non deniable guarantee (*) for such an insurance is end to end encryption. As it is, anyway, IMs are 100% insecure in SL (because transmitted in plain text form): this is one of the (many) reasons why I never ”speak” (more like write) about my RL in SL... (*) It does not mean there are not other forms of ”guarantees”, but you just cannot 100% trust any of those, because you are not in control of them and cannot verify them either. E.g. can you trust the NSA for not spying on US citizens ?... There are US laws (i.e. ”guarantees”) against such a thing, but it yet did happen (and is most likely still happening today). Edited September 4, 2022 by Henri Beauchamp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathrine Jansma Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Lets see how long that EU data protection actually lasts. There are plans to undermine it. See for example https://netzpolitik.org/2021/eu-commission-why-chat-control-is-so-dangerous/ But curious if the XMPP interface is really still there, as Jabber/XMPP isn't a totally bad protocol. (even if the Signal protocol as used by other messengers is clearly superior for privacy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Henri Beauchamp said: Speak for yourself: as an EU user, LL must comply to the GPDR regarding my communications, and as a French user, to the ”Informatique et Liberté” law; private communications such as user to user IMs (NOT local (i.e. public) chat, neither group IMs), shall be protected and its privacy ensured ; the only non deniable guarantee (*) for such an insurance is end to end encryption. As it is, anyway, IMs are 100% insecure in SL (because transmitted in plain text form): this is one of the (many) reasons why I never ”speak” (more like write) about my RL in SL... (*) It does not mean there are not other forms of ”guarantees”, but you just cannot 100% trust any of those, because you are not in control of them and cannot verify them either. E.g. can you trust the NSA for not spying on US citizens ?... There are US laws (i.e. ”guarantees”) against such a thing, but it yet did happen (and is most likely still happening today). I just had a simple question and you gave me all this and it's not applying to what I want to talk about. so let's get back onto the topic if you will for me here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kathrine Jansma said: But curious if the XMPP interface is really still there, as Jabber/XMPP isn't a totally bad protocol. (even if the Signal protocol as used by other messengers is clearly superior for privacy). I'm wondering this too, I pulled up thunderbird and saw I could add an xmpp server for chat and since this is documented by LL and does not seem to be redacted or retracted, I wonder if it would work. I know the url schemes for things changed because of the aws move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, Kathrine Jansma said: But curious if the XMPP interface is really still there, as Jabber/XMPP isn't a totally bad protocol. $ ping chat.aditi.lindenlab.com ping: unknown host chat.aditi.lindenlab.com $ nslookup chat.aditi.lindenlab.com Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find chat.aditi.lindenlab.com: No answer Apparently not... 30 minutes ago, bigmoe Whitfield said: I just had a simple question and you gave me all this and it's not applying to what I want to talk about. so let's get back onto the topic if you will for me here. Sorry for broadening the scope of your question... 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 @Monty Linden is there any possibility for this to be re-implemented? as being able to setup a xmpp chat through piggin or some such would be beneficial for text chatting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindens Monty Linden Posted September 9, 2022 Lindens Share Posted September 9, 2022 "This page was last edited on 18 March 2011" and SHA-1 fingerprints. Yeah, something like this needs to happen. But there's more to it than just standing up a Jabber server implementation someone shoved up on github. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, Monty Linden said: someone shoved up on github Owie! Thanks for your reply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Monty Linden said: "This page was last edited on 18 March 2011" and SHA-1 fingerprints. Yeah, something like this needs to happen. But there's more to it than just standing up a Jabber server implementation someone shoved up on github. hm I must of misread the page wrong then, I thought xmpp was still the chat service LL was using on the backend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindens Monty Linden Posted September 9, 2022 Lindens Share Posted September 9, 2022 Two(ish) attempts have been made. Third time's a charm. It's all bespoke back there right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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