Vick Forcella Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Read this: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Commerce-Forums-General/Dragonfish-and-Second-Life-Strike-ePayment-Deal/m-p/39216/highlight/true#M10115Then these:http://www.rtl.nl/%28/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/%29/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2011/03_maart/31/binnenland/banken-blokkeren-betaling-goksites.xmlhttp://www.nu.nl/economie/2481615/banken-krijgen-zwarte-lijst-gokwebsites.htmlShort translation in English:Gov tells banks they are not allowed to do any business with gambling related websites.Anyone any idea whet the status is with 888 and Draginfish? Are they on the blacklist? Does anyone know what is on the blacklist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 The new payment system has been in operation since late last year -- November, I think -- so if people with bank accounts in The Netherlands haven't had problems so far, I don't think they're likely to start now. The only problem I (in the UK) have had is not being able to use PayPal for new alt accounts -- I've had to use my Visa debit card -- though my existing payment arrangements have been unaffected. See the Local Payments FAQ for more details. Note that Dragonfish, the payment processors, aren't a gambling website. They are owned, though, by 888.com, who are. But Dragonfish themselves are just payment processors. So it would seem to me that any ban imposed by the Dutch government would catch payment arrangements set up through Dragonfish with particular sites rather all payment arrangements Dragonfish make. After all, I could set up payment arrangements through Dragonfish with Paddy Powers if I wanted, but those would be completely separate from my payment arrangements with LL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vick Forcella Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Innula Zenovka wrote: The new payment system has been in operation since late last year -- November, I think -- so if people with bank accounts in The Netherlands haven't had problems so far, I don't think they're likely to start now. The publication is from yesterday and reading it through it appears the implementation isn't inmediately but will take some time. I checked the Dragonfish website again and the ties with gambling are all to clear. I have no idea how the blacklist will work and what is on it. I tried to find some official source but could not find it, seems unlikely that the list will be published. I do understand it is not a Dutch-only blacklist but that it is an international list. My PIF is also PayPal so I'm not affected.. yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vick Forcella Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 I tried to find the KB article for other L$ suppliers but that article appears to be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amiryu Hosoi Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 We make our own ,oney in Second Life so I have nothing to worry;-) Ami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Try https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/L$_Marketplace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madeliefste Oh Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 It has not much to do with SL, Vick. Fred Teeven want to earn more money for the government by allowing 'controlled gambling'. Now he needs some measures to get rid of the competition from sites abroad. 'But the aim is to allow playing Poker in 'sportkantines' and such. See also: NRC_TeevenPoker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Madeliefste Oh wrote: It has not much to do with SL, Vick. Fred Teeven want to earn more money for the government by allowing 'controlled gambling'. Now he needs some measures to get rid of the competition from sites abroad. 'But the aim is to allow playing Poker in 'sportkantines' and such. See also: NRC_TeevenPoker But that would be completely against EU competition law, wouldn't it? And I find it difficult to believe anyone is going to get away with blacklisting -- or even try to -- most major European banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madeliefste Oh Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 The idea is not to blacklist the banks, Innula. The idea is to ask Dutch banks to block payments to and from those illegal gambling sites. It's on volunteery base, the banks can choose to cooperate or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I see. But legal gambling sites -- people like Betfair or Paddy Powers or Richard Branson's Virgin Casino -- are OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vick Forcella Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Amiryu Hosoi wrote: We make our own ,oney in Second Life so I have nothing to worry;-) We doesn't include me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vick Forcella Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Innula Zenovka wrote: Try https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/L$_Marketplace Strange I could not find it. It used to be linked from the Get L$ page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vick Forcella Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Madeliefste Oh wrote: It's on volunteery base, the banks can choose to cooperate or not. According to the articles the blacklist was compiled by the banks themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vick Forcella Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Innula Zenovka wrote: I see. But legal gambling sites -- people like Betfair or Paddy Powers or Richard Branson's Virgin Casino -- are OK? Gambling is illegal in The Netherlands except a few state controlled places. I assume the ban would include all (internet) gambling anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 If it's legal to gamble anywhere in Holland, I think attempts to stop Dutch residents gambling with online gambling places licenced and owned elsewhere in the EU would very rapidly be challenged in the European Court under the competition policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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