Baloo Uriza Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Linus Torvalds was recently asked about cooperation with GPU manufacturers and the Linux community. It isn't pretty if you're an nVidia fan. Full video below, exact timemark behind the link above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikka Luik Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Torvalds response good enough for me to decide which bit of hardware I will not be getting next then =^^= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'm slightly confused here? Are you just saying it sux to be both a Linux and an Nvidia Fan? Or are you saying it sux for everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 This is not new news. Linus has been stating for years Nvidia has been the weakest link in the chain. The chain being hardware manufactures with open source/documentation as opposed to 'releasing' obfuscated drivers and documentation. Opening the source is necessary for the open source community so that the "right" drivers may be written for manufacture hardware (to support a better out-of-the box experience.) They are the weakest link, but they are not alone. As a driver writer I, myself, get very frustrated at the idea of GPU technology improving and the open source community not permitted to take advantage. We demand more of these manufactures. Intel has an excellent rapport with the opensouce world, we need all manufactures to open up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Storm Clarence wrote: This is not new news. Linus has been stating for years Nvidia has been the weakest link in the chain. Oh, I totally get that. I'm just saying this for the pics or it didn't happen crowd that keeps peeing in everyone's Cheerios the moment someone even thinks of the AMD Radeon or other GPUs made by companies whose intransigence against world class support isn't borderline legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Perrie Juran wrote: I'm slightly confused here? Are you just saying it sux to be both a Linux and an Nvidia Fan? Or are you saying it sux for everyone? I'm saying it sucks to be an NVIDIA fan in general, unless you're Microsoft. Odds are, you're not Microsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 nvidia like microsoft never been much interested in opensource. they just think that the proprietary closed source model works best for them is ok that they do. i think a mixed model is better altogether really. some opensource. some closed. people can then work/use however it best suits them. people/customers will decide what works best for them as well + is mostly a philosophical debate the open/closed one. is fine to debate that tho. but i find that i not personally reconcile my philosophical view with my practical view hardly ever. i just use whatever works and does it in the way i want. if not then i dont use it and get something else that does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 This is less philosophical and more what's best for the users. NVIDIA is putting all it's eggs in the Microsoft basket. Microsoft doesn't care about users, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 i dont understand what you mean can get a gfx driver off nvidia for a linux computer.i did when i used to have a ubuntu. i just installed and it went good. was free as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 No, it was no cost. Free would mean you'd get the source to the whole bit as well. And if NVIDIA was pro-user, it would be working with the Linux kernel folks to ensure the smoothest, best supported user experience possible. But, NVIDIA isn't about it's users. It's about who can cut the biggest check. And you aren't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Baloo Uriza wrote: No, it was no cost. Free would mean you'd get the source to the whole bit as well that the philosophical part. free for users does mean no cost to them. free for opensource devs means access to source code. free as in freedom for me freedom means as the dev/maker/builder of stuff then you free to do with it as you like. including making it accessible, or not, to other people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Well, in this case, glossing over the difference is screwing you over in terms of inferior GPU support and poorer user experience compared to AMD or Intel GPUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 maybe if so then people will choose what works for them if nvidia make a decision that leads to fail for them as a company then to bad for them. same like all the other companies, tech or whatever, that have made fail decisions in the past. is their choice to do that if linux+amd end up more popular than linux+nvidia then good. if it ends up more popular even than microsoft+nvidia then good as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 16 wrote: maybe if so then people will choose what works for them if nvidia make a decision that leads to fail for them as a company then to bad for them. same like all the other companies, tech or whatever, that have made fail decisions in the past. is their choice to do that if linux+amd end up more popular than linux+nvidia then good. if it ends up more popular even than microsoft+nvidia then good as well This ^^^^^^ If ATI gets to the place that they handle open GL way better NVidia, (and I know it's anecdotal who actually does), then they will knock NVidia for a loop in the marketplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Perrie Juran wrote: 16 wrote: maybe if so then people will choose what works for them if nvidia make a decision that leads to fail for them as a company then to bad for them. same like all the other companies, tech or whatever, that have made fail decisions in the past. is their choice to do that if linux+amd end up more popular than linux+nvidia then good. if it ends up more popular even than microsoft+nvidia then good as well This ^^^^^^ If ATI gets to the place that they handle open GL way better NVidia, (and I know it's anecdotal who actually does), then they will knock NVidia for a loop in the marketplace. They already do on Not Windows. Nothing does a very good job supporting OpenGL on Windows, but that has more to do with being defective by design to make DirectX look better on that platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicia Sautereau Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 nvidia better hardware ati better drivers untill the 2 companies merge there will always be 2 camps claiming x is better then y used ati for a decade, but was instantly sold by the nvidia performance, ati out the door untill they learn how to make better hardware then nvidia, it`s that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 I don't expect an NVIDIA/AMD merger to pass antitrust requirements. And NVIDIA's performance superioirty is limited to Windows largly by it's own making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Baloo Uriza wrote: I don't expect an NVIDIA/AMD merger to pass antitrust requirements. And NVIDIA's performance superioirty is limited to Windows largly by it's own making. It would be interesting to know the names of a lot of the share/stockholders. I bet we'd find a lot of the same names holding large shares in both companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 AMD (public) FMR LLC 36,684,150 5.23 294,206,883 Mar 30, 2012 VANGUARD GROUP, INC. (THE) 33,484,185 4.77 268,543,163 Mar 30, 2012 STATE STREET CORPORATION 31,082,412 4.43 249,280,944 Mar 30, 2012 PUTNAM INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT, LLC 29,514,526 4.21 236,706,498 Mar 30, 2012 PLATINUM INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT LTD 23,283,403 3.32 125,730,376 Dec 30, 2011 OPPENHEIMER FUNDS, INC. 23,000,000 3.28 184,460,000 Mar 30, 2012 BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 15,318,755 2.18 122,856,415 Mar 30, 2012 Ameriprise Financial, Inc. 74,100,136 10.57 594,283,090 Mar 30, 2012 S.A.C. CAPITAL ADVISORS, LLC 10,127,190 1.44 81,220,063 Mar 30, 2012 Global Thematic Partners, LLC 8,536,565 1.22 68,463,251 Mar 30, 2012 Top Mutual Fund HoldersHolder Shares % Out Value* Reported Columbia Fds Ser Tr II-Columbia Seligman Communications & In 32,659,345 4.66 176,360,463 Dec 30, 2011 OPPENHEIMER GLOBAL OPPORTUNITIES FUND 23,000,000 3.28 124,200,000 Dec 30, 2011 Fidelity Series Large Cap Value Fund 17,976,561 2.56 144,172,019 Mar 30, 2012 FIDELITY OTC PORTFOLIO 10,363,000 1.48 83,111,260 Mar 30, 2012 VANGUARD MID-CAP INDEX FUND 7,017,326 1.00 37,893,560 Dec 30, 2011 VANGUARD TOTAL STOCK MARKET INDEX FUND 6,962,720 0.99 37,598,688 Dec 30, 2011 PUTNAM VOYAGER FUND 6,526,214 0.93 43,790,895 Jan 30, 2012 VANGUARD 500 INDEX FUND 5,254,741 0.75 28,375,601 Dec 30, 2011 VANGUARD INSTITUTIONAL INDEX FUND-INSTITUTIONAL INDEX FD 4,786,383 0.68 25,846,468 Dec 30, 2011 SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust 4,751,090 0.68 38,103,741 Mar 30, 2012 Nvidia (public) PRIMECAP MANAGEMENT COMPANY 34,923,991 5.65 537,829,461 Mar 30, 2012 PRICE (T.ROWE) ASSOCIATES INC 34,370,397 5.56 529,304,113 Mar 30, 2012 VANGUARD GROUP, INC. (THE) 34,048,970 5.51 524,354,138 Mar 30, 2012 STATE STREET CORPORATION 22,361,413 3.62 344,365,760 Mar 30, 2012 BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 17,007,091 2.75 261,909,201 Mar 30, 2012 WELLINGTON MANAGEMENT COMPANY, LLP 12,466,674 2.02 172,788,101 Dec 30, 2011 FMR LLC 71,246,620 11.53 1,097,197,948 Mar 30, 2012 GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC 10,801,251 1.75 166,339,265 Mar 30, 2012 Invesco Ltd. 8,135,227 1.32 125,282,495 Mar 30, 2012 AllianceBernstein, L.P. 8,090,180 1.31 124,588,772 Mar 30, 2012 Top Mutual Fund HoldersHolder Shares % Out Value* Reported FIDELITY GROWTH COMPANY FUND 38,725,384 6.27 596,370,913 Mar 30, 2012 FIDELITY OTC PORTFOLIO 20,822,812 3.37 320,671,304 Mar 30, 2012 VANGUARD/PRIMECAP FUND 15,500,000 2.51 214,830,000 Dec 30, 2011 PRICE (T.ROWE) MID CAP GROWTH FUND 9,813,600 1.59 151,129,440 Mar 30, 2012 VANGUARD HORIZON FUND-CAPITAL OPPORTUNITY PORTFOLIO 8,677,000 1.40 120,263,220 Dec 30, 2011 Powershares Exhg Traded Fd Tr-Powershares QQQ Tr, Series 1 7,238,058 1.17 111,466,093 Mar 30, 2012 VANGUARD MID-CAP INDEX FUND 7,209,890 1.17 99,929,075 Dec 30, 2011 VANGUARD TOTAL STOCK MARKET INDEX FUND 7,199,864 1.17 99,790,115 Dec 30, 2011 VANGUARD 500 INDEX FUND 5,451,862 0.88 75,562,807 Dec 30, 2011 SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust 5,069,598 0.82 78,071,809 Mar 30, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Oh, good, we got folks playing both sides and not taking leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You will may know the CIO at AMD is also an Officer at Apple. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Well, that seems like a conflict of interest, given that Intel is Apple's biggest CPU provider, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Baloo Uriza wrote: Oh, good, we got folks playing both sides and not taking leadership. There is 12 billion USD$$$ in market capitalization between the two companies. NVDA is the larger of the two although they only provide 'graphic' chips. Whereas AMD is a CPU/Graphic/etc 'chip' provider. NVDA trades at a PE of 16 (imo perfect.) AMD currently trades at a loss with a negative PE. So yes, it's a money game. Just to show some contrast--Facebook has a market capitalization of 63 billion USD, and they make nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Baloo Uriza wrote: Well, that seems like a conflict of interest, given that Intel is Apple's biggest CPU provider, IIRC. AMD CIO Mark Papermaster (thinks with a name like Papermaster he is in the wrong business) http://biz.yahoo.com/t/41/8038.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Uriza Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 Sure, but I would have figured conflict of interest would have come into play with major investors being the same in both companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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