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Navy1 Coba

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  1. It seems the key is logging in, not actually posting. That was my error. RL things came up and was away from the SL/FB one and it got zapped. It was only for fun as all of SL is, but still a loss, had some cute things in there and people seemed to like it. Sad to see many of the social platforms fail over the years since most were just that, social sites that allowed contact. Without my RL Facebook account I would lose contact with many I don't otherwise interact with on a normal day.
  2. It seems I will be doing the same. I see no sense in promoting something that doesn't want me. Issue is, since i can't log in, I may be in virtual limbo, destined to live through eternity, haha
  3. Seems then, it was just my time as target in the shooting gallery. I think my error was not logging in. Thanks for the info. I probably won't create a page from my RL Facebook account simply because I would get so much grief for owning a virtual strip club, ROFL
  4. it wasn't a report, it was simply a lack of use of the SL/FB account. If you don't log into FB and read their ads, even if you don't post (had lunch with Bill and Tom at Wendys) they suspect you. You should read the list of things they would like to ID who you are. LL is not much different. I had an alt that the account was put on hold until I submitted real name, DOB, past addresses, any other alts connected, etc. On my RL facebook account they are constantly asking, was this you, when I use my cell phone or laptop instead of the main computer. I tend to think Skell is correct that its all about the money. If they can't actively track you, they can't sell your virtual body to advertisers. Maybe LL should jump on this, have FB/SL accounts and flood them with premium membership, MarketPlace ads and such, ROFL.
  5. It seems we may have reached that point, Skell. With all the deception in the news about Facebook, am sure they are coming under fire for accounts such as this. In the end you are perfectly correct, its all about the money that can be generated and Lindens don't spend well at the local 7-11. LL is not without its issues in past years, such as the moving of all adult business (whatever that might be) to a separate island and then the gaming fiasco a few year ago. As a RL resident of one of the Evil 8 states, my avatar isn't even allowed on a gaming sim. I am sounding a bit like "remember the good ole days".
  6. It's a discussion and anyone that has an avatar profile on Facebook is going to sooner or later run headlong into this. Even Second Life has a Facebook page, I am assuming they pay for a business account, but still, with over 300,000 likes on their page a tremendous amount are avatar based Facebook accounts
  7. Years ago, I started a Facebook account for my avatar. I found a LOT of people did that. The Second Life Facebook page has over 300k likes, so we are not a small part of Facebook. As Second Life is our "second life" many of us don't really want to mix our first life Facebook account. For years everything went along smooth until about November of this year. I kept getting notices "we haven't seen you in a while" and the usual list of friend requests, etc. So in I log, hmm wait, you haven't logged in for a while, in order to resume you need 3 friends to post a 4 digit code, please pick from these photos. So I knew at least 3 personally since I have been on Second Life coming on 10yrs, contacted them and 2 got the codes, 1 got a note that she was not a trusted friend. I hadn't established any such list. So off I go winding through the maze of facebook help. Finally I find a send us this or that, and get a semi live person. Send them proof of who I am, back and forth, even a photo of my avatar pointing at the "like us on Facebook" sign at the club. Sorry, Navy1 seems to need a Utility bill, Polling card (yeah right!) or social welfare card. (Here I might insert the obvious joke I looked on MarketPlace and could find none of these). I am kind of at a loss. My Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Strippers-nite-club-and-mall-431936040171338/ has a modest following over the years and I'd like to continue but it seems Facebook doesn't want us. If any of you have any suggestions besides the "quit Facebook" comments, let me know
  8. Thank Chic, just very much like an actor/actress I would assume, immersing oneself in whatever character assigned. Although I can not get my mind around having several with little regard for others, I guess there can be, each having their own personality, not much different that a person with MPD (or DID). But unlike an actor/actress that can chat off set and say wow, my character is a real B*** today, they keep in character as logged on. Callum, thank you for the insight. Impressionism, such as used in journalism, sometimes called gonzo journalism is an interesting concept when applied to Second Life and human interactions within. BilliJo, the club is not for SL strippers. It was set up years ago when a partner and I wanted to spice up our SL life a bit and sought out a club that allowed stripper RP for a night (think armature night in a real club). We were nicely, not so nicely, rudely and sometimes ejected from every club in SL, so I decided maybe there is a need. I built the club with that idea, still have the club, partner has long since moved on. Its not a place to make tips, we don't have employees, it is set up kinda dark and dingy, like a real strip club only missing the guy with a cigar stub at the door checking IDs. I have 2 alts which are the two guys making cute comments downstairs (which used to be dummies until so many started talking and trying to friend them). The mesh bouncer is scripted to make rude comments, much like a real club, the two German cleaning girls have camped there for years for unknown reasons, and 5-6 others are part of some group that approached me several years ago wanting to set up some phone/tablet text chat network, some staying logged in 24hrs a day, i suspect on a phone. The club is not meant to be busy. The club is for couples or people that want to have occasional fun doing what you do full time. An occasional escort uses the themed rooms and usually leaves the club a nice tip. The club normally breaks even, sometimes not. Lots of people role play for good reasons and have fun at it. My query was trying to understand the ones that do not in human form. Thanks for your input. Rhonda, long before the advent of Second Life, people hid behind their online persona in chat rooms. Invented in the 70s, they became the rage in the 80s when I snuck in and would watch the text scroll by, hearing only the sound of a 14400 modem churp on and off to connect by a phone line. They used the anonymity to make sometimes disturbing disrupting comments hoping they wouldn't be sought out and have their asses beat, which would happen if they made such comments in RL.
  9. Since I run a 7yr old club that lets people pretend to be a stripper, I often get this question and haven't got a great answer. I don't do the serious role play in SL, am more of a RL me, enhanced person, so Not including furry, alien creatures or all the other non humans, does most human role play consist of a totally separate created persona and if they have alts, can it be separate from the other alts without regard to feelings in RL. Can a guy have one avatar as the "bad boy" type and another as the loyal partner type? Can a girl create an avatar as the partner, loyal and loving and still have an alt as the stripper in my club and resolve it as role play? Setting aside, non serious actors, I know several people that have alts that come to the club to avoid their partners, one naughty, one not. I am curious as how they resolve the partnered relationship with the "alt gone wild' persona. Do you think they can just go oh, that is not the me in the relationship, its a created persona in role play or is it a connected but "on the sly" license to cheat thing. I see some partnered relationships quite serious, at times evolving into real life ones (if not created that way) and its hard to understand how one of those people can "create" another avatar that roams randomly without thought to the other one without mutual understanding and consent. Seems much easier to understand in non human, since one can log in as Fred the Furry, then log out and back in as the Alien Scourge without much conflict. One has to understand this IS a second life and exaggerations abound, after all, we ALL cant be 21. You can be anything you want, but can one be multiple without concern for the other in human form?
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  11. I am inworld. Many things not working. I suspect if you are on an estate, you are stuck. I am on Zindra, and, CRAP! Firestorm just crashed so anything I could have done is now moot since I can not relog back. As I left I could walk or fly around Zindra except to those places that did not recover from the reset. No TP, so flying or walking was it. Now I'm on the outside with the windows blacked out, haha.
  12. Well if you are inworld, its pretty lonely around here. I can walk and fly to other sims, but no TP and no notecards, etc, you name it, its borked
  13. The sad thing is, at least in my case, banning a computer or even an IP address only moves these people down the road. The way it was done suggests not a random player looking for a few dollars, but a skilled actor, easily moving money around at various locations. A new alt, moving your laptop to the next person of many sitting at a table and shifting an IP is done during lunch for these people. While we like to think it is some random kid trying to get money, more likely, these are attacks planned and setup to evade LL's systems and target the holes. With Second Life's transaction totals in the hundreds of millions of US dollars, it is likely to attract a few more bad actors than Winston on his mom's computer.
  14. Many thanks to the abuse department for dealing with all this. Am sure it is a thankless job and fills their day with one scam after another. In my case, they actually were able to not only recover the money that was passed thru my club, but stop it from being forwarded and cashed into real dollars, which after all, is the main reason someone would gather information and take over another's SL account. This one was very tricky since the hacker was easy to find, but in passing the money thru a tip jar that split percentages, the initial solution was to recover the money from the tip jar owner (me) and assume I could recover my money from the dancer involved. I was told my quick work in finding that all involved were 0 day people alerted them to the scam went deeper and were able to follow the money a few levels below and recover it before it was cashed out. The tip jar (or anything that spits money donated) still remains a avenue for abuse and it takes a very dedicated SL abuse person to put forth the extra effort. I was lucky to be assigned such a person. In talking with other club owners, my situation was minor compared to some of the stories of the same event resulting in hundreds of real life dollars lost. The key is quick reporting and detection. Had the hacked account not been aware and reported quickly, the money would have flowed along and cashed out to a quickly dissolved real world account. As a warning to all, BEWARE clicking a link in chat from an unknown person, and even from a friend, chat with them a bit to verify they are the person you know. IF you do click a link, NEVER LOG IN after it at the linked site. NOTHING OFFERED is ever worth it. If by some weak moment you do, IMMEDIATELY go to your dashboard at secondlife.com and change your password. IF done quickly, your chances that your account will be taken over are reduced greatly. Thanks to all that listened to my, at times, aggravated rant.
  15. Alwin, I don't have employees or staff. The club is a roleplay strip club for those that want to pretend to be a stripper for a night, so the only way is to remove the tip jars. It puts a stop to what is called Freelance dancers/performers unless you limit the free group to an aged avatar, then how old is old enough? I did consider an SL age rating as many clubs do, but a good scammer can have a group of people aging while they blow the 10, 20, 30day old accounts out scamming and stealing. Stealing accounts for the money inside is probably the biggest scam out there and most times the people doing it know how to work the rules and it is professionally done. Fake MP links, click here for a free home, etc etc, and once the account is hacked, as quick as possible they post a link in all the hacked accounts groups and friends "click here, best friend" and gather those. After that, as quick as they can, they try to move the money in the account to somewhere they can turn it into RL money. I don't envy the people at LL trying to recover lost accounts and the money within. It is easy to see thief 1 transfer direct to thief 2 in an attempt to cash out before getting caught, but if they can move it covertly to thief 2 or in a manner that it is not possible to PROVE thief 2 is involved, they recover what they can from who. In this case, thief 1, moved the money to a tip jar owned by the venue, so the entire amount appears on the venues books, then the script splits to thief 2 and the venue at a percentage split by the script, usually 80/20 or 90/10, even 100/0 still gives the venue the money first. In walks Linden Labs tracing the money and all they can prove is thief 1 gave it to the venue, so they recover the full amount not bothering to trace it further, nor really being able to prove intent since it was scripted to thief 2. Thief 2's account is safe and continues the scam. The only way I can see thwarting this, is to have the dancer/entertainer OWN and wear/rez their tip jars similar to the way a musician rezzes his signs, set and tip jars at a music venue. All this becomes quite involved and I doubt my small venue will do anything other than remove anything owned by the club that splits tips or donations to anyone but the club. Then a hacked account gives the club money, I give it back, no loss no gain, however why would thief 1 give away money they can't recover.
  16. You were correct in your assumption of the way LL handled it, even though they admitted the dancer was probably part of the scam since she was also 0 days old, they say she broke no SL rule, since it was my tip jar that paid her, so she, alt or no, is free to cash out to RL money whatever amount she has gained at my or any other club. I should consider myself lucky the tip wasn't bigger but still, a sizeable chunk of my monthly tier has been removed in a venue that is set up for roleplay and not to line my pockets each month. Tip jars were mostly set up as part of the roleplay experience and a tip of a few hundred lindens wasn't rare in my 7yrs being open, so when a tip of quite a few thousand appeared, it did not go unnoticed. Since the club gets 10%, roleplayers tip a few lindens to their partner roleplaying as a dancer, reasoning the percentage to the club a thanks for your venue. Tip jars have been removed now since there is nothing to stop bad actor 1 from creating a new account, hacking someone else and tipping the same dancer another 4 figure tip, or even more since it worked the first time. LL also said if I did have the money in the account to repay (lets suppose I just paid my monthly tier) they would have frozen my account until it was repaid(imagine a tip of 75k in lindens). The thieves have stumbled upon the perfect scam as Lindal eluded to. After all the sole reason to hack any account is to get the lindens in it, and its a moot point if they can not successfully convert that to real world money. In this case the several tens of real world dollars came out of mine.
  17. you are correct. Issue resolved, hacked account owner's money returned, let the club owner try and recover his money from the dancer, performer, whoever got the split, not bothering to look, as I did, that both couples (4 people) that did this are 0 day people all, and if a deeper look was taken, they would match an IP to one person. And it would be guaranteed that if all they did was cancel or reset the hacked accounts and the 2 dancers are not looked into and cash out, the hacker will repeat the scam until they get stopped at the 2nd level. Meanwhile, honest people working freelance for a percent of a venue no longer have a job or a place to work in. My club is a roleplay for couples to pretend, and the tip jar was set up as a more realistic experience. My 10% in the last year would probably not cover what I lost in this one event, so they will be removed.
  18. why would someone hack into an account then give away the money to another 0 day dancer, LL can track the IP and see all 4 accounts so if they want, they can put the pieces together. The original owner got his/her money back and after a bunch of these 0 day accounts do a pass around, they will cash out. My only hope for recovery is if the scam is large enough and they can freeze the players before they cash out. The sad thing about all this, is I had to remove all the tip jars from the club because until LL gives me any assurance this wont happen again, I cant take the chance of losing this much again. Since it is a roleplay club and not a real employee system that I could control, I'm not sure there is a way to prevent this without ruining the sporadic nature of the roleplay. The club operates on a small margin and things like this are absorbed out of my RL pocket. In addition to that, the freelance dancers that used the club will be out of work at my place and the other clubs that use a split tip script.
  19. wish it was only a few hundred. The dancer, it was pretty obvious, was part as was couple 2, prob all alts of the same person. Am sure as LL connects the dots, all 4 traded money among each account and my 90% and prob a bunch more is floating around since it takes a bit to cash out. All the accounts were 0 days so its pretty obvious all were involved. But in a purely selfish mode, not sure why I should take the 90% hit and the hacked account get 100% back. Probably clicked on one of those links in a group chat and logged in, giving away his/her log in info to our tipping boy. SMH
  20. Today I got an email from LL advising me they removed $XXXX lindens from my account saying it was obtained from a "unauthorized source". A bad actor came into the club along with another bad actor, who logged into my tip jar as a dancer. Both were 0 days, actor 1 tips actor 2(dancer) and the tip jar (per script), splits 90% to the dancer and 10% to the venue. This is a very common script used in SL for years. Bad actor 1 complains and they remove 100% of the tip from my account (and I assume returns it to bad actor 1). Bad actor 2 hops off the stage. I opened an ticket, then when I noticed it had been done a few hours before by another couple I called by phone. The nice linden lady said once they remove money, they don't give it back (I suspect just her opinion as I have usually found LL to be fair). I also filed an abuse report inworld on the 4. I now see she opened a 2nd ticket escalating it since I got a bit irate. As a precaution I removed all the tip jars and took credit cards from my account. If you run a venue where tip jars split the percentage, please look for 4 figure (out of the norm) tips and do your research. Navy1 Coba
  21. Got an interesting question that I cant answer. Seems someone broadcast their voice remotely to a prim(etc) worn by another avatar located on another sim from the speaking avatar. Blocking the SPEAKING AVATAR (not on the sim) shut off the voice but blocking every avatar ON the sim did not. Obvioulsy a new griefing technique. any ideas how this was done?
  22. Seems the latest trend in spam is "conference chat". The usual loan me $xxxL for my mothers life saving surgery or whatever. Those of you using Firestorm can now block "conference chat" in your preferences by 1) loading preferences 2) chat tab, 3) chat windows 4) near the bottom check "automatically and ignore and leave all conference chats". I would suggest you also check the NEXT one "report ignored conference chats in nearby chat" so if your FRIENDS try, you know. This will eliminate the new trend of "conference chat spam". I am sure the SL viewer has a similar option. BEWARE, this will block ALL CONFERENCE CHAT. This is why I suggest you use the 2nd box to let you know if someone tries that is a friend of yours.
  23. Not like I'm a noob, but damn, seems like recently all the adult club streams are either running Home Depot commercials or cutting in and out. Am looking for a good stream I can run in about land to provide adult background ambient sound with adult type music. Got a shoutcast setup but haven't found a good station. Any ideas?
  24. Navy1 Coba

    Zindra expansion?

    Has anyone heard any rumors or facts about LL building the rest of Zindra on the bottom right corner?
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